POLL - Should the UK monarchy now be abolished ? Y/N - all ATS members please contribute

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite You spoiled your own thread by calling it a poll in the first place.

Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a reply to: Freeborn
Excellent post, couldn't agree more. ATS is a fun environment to have a bit of a debate or even an outright argument. Most people manage to do it with a reasonable degree of politeness.
Think this thread has been informative but it is certainly not a proper poll and certain posters need not to throw their toys out the pram when people disagree with them.

Yes, at the moment there are very few checks on the power of the government and an elected head of state could be expected to veto unpopular legislation in a way that an unelected head cannot.
While we are at it, get rid of the Lords too and replace it with an elected 2nd house.

a reply to: SprocketUK
Instead of a House of Lords I always preferred the idea of a house of experts/specialists. For example you would have a shortlist of specialists in their field, whether scientists, those who knew about healthcare or specialists in education. The voter would then see those candidates check their credentials and make an informed decision when they come to vote. Seems better than the current system. A better way of having checks and balances too IMO

a reply to: woodwardjnr
Maybe deviating from the thread a bit, but I really think it may be time to dump Parliament all together.

These days, people caan raise petitions, we can vote securely online using pc, phone etc.
Perhaps we don't need MP's, but every piece of legislation could be raised by Whitehall or by public support via online petition, then a referendum style vote online to enact or dismiss each proposal.

We'd save tens of millions each year in MP salaries, expenses and pensions, not to mention Lords expenses and perks.

Direct democracy. After all, huge numbers of people are feeling disenfranchised in this country since our politicians are so divorced from the reality we live in.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Yes!

a reply to: SprocketUKhopefully it would also help people engage with politics and the issues that are important to them. My only worry is that the power of the corporate media become so strong, that people end up voting for a corporate agenda financed by the likes of the unelected Rupert Murdoch and the like.

a reply to: woodwardjnr We already are, though if you think about it, devolving the process in this way sidesteps the worst excesses of lobbyists etc acting in secret with MPs and puts every issue in the public domain.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: uncommitted

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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Wow what a surprise. ..ats is against the monarchy. ...
Means nothing the majority of us British actually want Them.
So put that in your pipe.

Wow, amazing, so even now you have edited your own OP, you stated from the off that your vote is yes.

They dont!! I survey many frioends from all backgrounds and status and 60% are in favour of abolishment. So the ATS poll stands up and funnily enough at the same %.

The people of the UK dont want these parasites anymore!

You survey your friends? And that makes it a scientific test? As you are making your feeling on the subject very clear it stands to reason your friends would have a similar point of view, or would say what they knew you wanted to hear unless they had a very clear stance themselves.

I hope you aren't double counting posts from the same posters in your 'poll', I make it the majority posting in this thread that have identified themselves as being in the UK are saying they would rather keep the monarchy than lose it.

Rubbish. And you can count then. I surveyed friends, business acquaintances over dinner, professionals I have worked with, family members, poor and rich alike and 6 out of 10 want the monarchy abolished. just like the ATS poll. I would not trust polls that are fed through or from the media. Even when I was working student the topic came up and the class/room vote came out 50/50 and that was a long time ago.

Thread Ended!! Thanks to all that contributed. Vote came out at approx. 60% in favour.

No, I wouldn't trust a vote where the person who solicited it, made their own views very clear and made it open to an audience that have (and no disrespect here) no direct knowledge of what it was actually based on. I think what you have wanted to do is vindicate your own opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

My views only made clear after the vote!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont insult the intelligence of other ATSer's who have placed their vote and kindly made their comments!

People are not stupid nor blind like you!!

Good day.

Thread already ended anyway!!!

You voted Yes in your OP and have continued to post your comments about how important you are and your social circle throughout this thread.... I'm not sure what letters you really have after your name are, but I think I could easily take a guess at what most of the people who know you think they should be.

As grainofsand says, mods close threads and your insulting manner shows what your own opinion is worth.

I voted yes but did not express any thoughts until the vote was clear!!!
You are obviously a small minded and of low intelligence. But that's no crime.
You don't know who I am or what people who know me think of me but I do know one thing and that is that I'm not a blind fool like you! And my popularity doesn't appear to have declined over the last 30 years and I always continue to receive invitations and requests to speak.
And as far as whats after my name is concerned its well earned and well deserved and I'm sure beyond your mental capacity to achieve!
I said the thread was ended because it started to get posters like you which we can all do without!
Thankyou and good day to you.

Now, either you are a real wind up merchant or you are displaying the attitude that I would happily vote to have abolished. I'm guessing you are actual closer to 15 in age - most people in the real world lose such an attitude as they mature.

Absolutely NOT.

It's tradition, at least they are not politicians.

HM the Queen has served the commonwealth for years, they bring cheer to lots of the population, she is the figurehead of the Armed Forces, they do huge things for charities, she can keep an eye on dodgy politico's. They bring me more happiness than any religion, both the princes have served their country in the forces, both support many charities, all have to face everything under the public microscope.

The commonwealth, their open estates, charities, tourism, serving the country, they do more than many and I respect them and I am proud of our Royal Family.

God save the a Queen.

Yes. Why would anyone be considered above anyone else just because of his/her lineage? But if majority have low self respect - so be it.

no, but it doesnt matter anyway now. This country will be a third world nation within 20 years, it will experience balkanisation within my lifetime and the collapse of public services will be within the next ten years.

so who cares about the monarchy? do my job and sit on meetings that i sit in on, especially you far left day dreamers, then the monarchy will be the least of your worries.

Britain was once a great nation and its progress set the stage for the modern world, but it got lost in extreme capitalism and the view of people as drones devoid of identity. whether the monarchy remains is not the issue, its how many of us are going to remain that is the real issue as undeveloped foreign cultures, extreme capitalism and psycopaths in power pave the way for a total collapse...

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: NavyDoc
There may be more new DNA in Harry's case than Wills.

And more Spanish DNA in Will's case than Harry's...

Yes absolutely

a reply to: RonPalmer
Nah have you seen that hair line. No doubt he is Charlies.

a reply to: stumason

The minimum requirement to hold that rank is 8 years, Mr. Weasly got it in 6. no special treatment my a$$.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

My vote is conditional. Yes, unless they are placed on some kind of "extreme survivor" show on a pay per view basis, allowing the funds to go to charitable causes to save the wildlife. Buckingham Palace would make a great wildlife preserve - and they could still keep the tourism side of it going by offering safari packages.

I do understand that this stipulation is a little unusual and not likely to happen.

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I'm betting most of the clowns who said no don't even live in the U.K, so until YOUR taxes are lining the pockets of inbred German snobs I suggest, in the nicest possible way, STFU.

They are a waste of space living on an outdated premise which does absolutely nothing for this country, in fact if I lived in the time when royality became a part of this society, I'd put on my armor, grab my sword and shield and hunt them down haha

An unequivocal YES.

Nah! They shouldn't be removed. I've always been intrigued by them for what ever reason. If I'm in a store and see any bit of news about any of them on some paper I'll stop and read it where I might not give a damn about most news. Always have from an early age, no joke.

a reply to: abe froman

No, it isn't. I gave you a link to the Army website stating as much.

In fact, if it takes you 8 years or over (as you said minimum) you're not doing very well at all.