What is "White Privilege?"

a reply to: TorqueyThePig

Nope no tickets. I get the we were responding to suspicious activity. Once every three months in searched. My Fiancé who's full German flipped it the first time. Now she knows the routine.

a reply to: criticalhit

But how often ate those Mexican restaurants pay the bills. I much rather take the past from a white run fortune 500 company like Chase then Juans Tacos. Wick employee do you think will make it out of the ghetto?

originally posted by: deadeyedick
White privilage is defined as not being shot because you are black.

We don't normally agree lol but you get it. How can others not lol

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: infinityorder

Exactly, there are certain cultures that tend to do well no matter where they transplant themselves - Jews, Asians, Germans. They tend to form thriving sub communities no matter where they go so long as the dominate culture doesn't get upset at them and drive them out after taking what they have accrued.

Another case in point would be Congo. If "white privilege" was the root of all evil, it should be a thriving example to the rest of the continent now that they've basically confiscated whatever they could from the white landowners and given over the former victims of those landowners' white privilege. Instead, the former breadbasket of Africa is not a basket case because no one has any property rights and the new landowners have no idea how to properly manage what they've been handed.

What does the recent history of Congo tell us about the current state of societal privileges in the US? That's false equivalence and it suggests that you believe that behavior is dictated by race. I don't think that you necessarily believe that and so I think you should see the fault in your logic. You've also constructed a false dichotomy which is essentially that either white privilege is the "root of all evil" or it doesn't exist.

White privilege is very much like the 1% vs 99%, or the collectivist Yankees vs individual rights, or the Hobbsian assumption that anarchy makes everyone into a backstabbing thief.

It results from, or is a consolation gift for, giving up on yourself as an autonomous entity in the real world.

Go back in history 1000 years, and most people were serfs or slaves. Some default survival setting from that past social station makes people want to defer to authority, all the while having some deep unconscious resentment from it.

People need better education, or they will become serfs and slaves again.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: criticalhit

But how often ate those Mexican restaurants pay the bills. I much rather take the past from a white run fortune 500 company like Chase then Juans Tacos. Wick employee do you think will make it out of the ghetto?

I think... Latinos aren't in much jeopardy of not making it out of he Ghetto so to speak period.

That actually sounds really like "white person talk" as a guy who grew up In NY and spent time with every nationality there is, Mexicans will in a generation or so wax Caucasian, by genetics they run 30% to 60% Caucasian already and have a very high rate of inter marriage with Caucasians, in 40 years this wave of Immigration will be considered Caucasian and a Latino last name will just be mainly a Caucasian surname. (they really aren't all that different than Italians) who were considered Greeseballs when they arrived but now you couldn't pin one out from the rest of Caucasian America outside of a name

Brunettes, Mexico has given America long term a higher percentage of Brunettes

Heinlein had it right, if you ever watch Starship troopers you see these kids depicted as Caucasian with names like "Rodriguez"

I don't see a "Hispanic" long term race issue in America, people have historically been jerk offs to any new group that arrives fresh off the boat so to speak, so this is hard to relate to... the conversation really is about African Americans, they stand out in ways that other "races" "culture" take issue with a lot and that includes Latinos and Asians very often not just White People. In time Latinos won't have any "race" issues in America, they are predominantly Caucasian Catholics it might take a generation longer maybe than "straight Europeans" but I doubt i'll even hear about it when i'm old and i'm sure African Americans will still be complaining about race and finding reasons to put it upon Latinos and Asians too BOTH of whom by demographic, income, education, acceptance and numbers are wholloping right past them....

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

That you're ignorant to the facts of White privilege that many have lived through and witnessed...
You can claim it is anecdotal, & you can believe it is anecdotal as much as you like...

For those who have witnessed and lived it, it is testimony...

And all that based on someone who didn't even use white privilege in the correct way...

Perceived racial discrimination is NOT "white privilege."

By definition a person's individual experience is not only anecdotal, it's their perception - not fact. What happened to one individual doesn't mean that the entire population of white people somehow have an advantage, or that their experience is unique because they don't have white skin.

And thank you again for demonstrating the entire point. Attacking the individual who disagrees with the "politically correct" dogma IS the entire strategy.

a reply to: theantediluvian

No I'm saying that there are cultural processes at work. What you wish to call "white privilege" is actually cultural practice associated with Western Civilization. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with culture. If an African American individual is raised within the strictures of Western Civilization and "acts white" or basically adopts the behaviors of the culture, they are going to more or less have the same chances of success as anyone else raised with that cultural paradigm.

Congo had that cultural paradigm, albeit imposed upon it, but they rebelled, took back their African tribal cultural identity, and now Congo is not thriving. The conclusion is the cultural paradigms of the people of the Congo are not as conducive to success in the modern world.

Other cultural paradigms around the world also display similar degrees of success or failure and the ability to adapt to the modern world to varying degrees, and culture is not a function of what ethnicity you are as much as how you are raised. For proof of that examine children adopted away from the culture of their birth. Say people like my husband who had Native American blood but was raised by middle American adoptive parents and now lives in the "white privilege" world by virtue of his upbringing not his actual blood.

a reply to: Jamie1

Were you there for my experiences and others people's?

No you weren't...

So who are you to decide it was merely based on "perception"...
Nobody that's who!

And thank you again for demonstrating the entire point. Attacking the individual who disagrees with the "politically correct" dogma IS the entire strategy.

Listen all you've done from your 1st post is call people brainwashers, indoctrinated & made us the equivalent of Goebbels...
That's ad hominem and you know it...


And again, I didn't attack your character, I attacked your argument because it is fallacious & based on a terrible example that didn't equate to white privilege...
That's not ad hominem and you know it.



"Individual experience is perception - not fact"...

Tell that to a rape victim...
It's only perceived abuse...
Or someone physically or verbally attacked for their race or faith....
It's only perceived hatred...
Or a victim of police brutality...
It's only perceived that some think they're above the law...
Or someone mowed down by somebody screaming Allahu Akbar...
It's only perceived to be terrorism...

Because individual experience is all perception, & not fact, yes?
No, it isn't, it is in fact, a fact!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Or someone mowed down by somebody screaming Allahu Akbar...
It's only perceived to be terrorism...

Because individual experience is all perception, & not fact, yes?
No, it isn't, it is in fact, a fact!

Individual experiences happen. Individuals who overtly attack another person based on their religious beliefs, like the Muslim terrorists, are demonstrating racial or religious hatred.

It's overt.

Then there are cases like getting pulled over by police. The experience is being pulled over. The perception that it was because of "white privilege" is just that - a perception.

Stating the the concept of "white privilege" described on Mt. Holyoke's website is not an ad hominem attack. Name calling, etc., on this thread because I pointed that out is an ad hominem.

I stand by my original view. The concept of defining "white privilege" as an invisible, unprovable phenomenon is indoctrination and propaganda. The added bonus is that the very definition allows the user to accuse those who disagree with being racists.

You see it all the time. It's a tool to demonize political opponents. Call them racists, then say they're racists when they object being called racists.

It's the "go to" strategy. Labeling and disparaging anybody who disagrees with the dogma.

a reply to: Jamie1

But I haven't mentioned "being pulled over"...

I never once described the experiences I've witnessed and been involved in.


So again, you shouldn't assume it's all based on perception.




Do people take advantage of the phrase and play the victim...
Yes, of course...


Does that mean it does not exist...
No, it's just hijacked, maybe more often than not, for selfish reasons...

You see it all the time. It's a tool to demonize political opponents. Call them racists, then say they're racists when they object being called racists

I definitely see a brainwashing strategy in this.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TonyS

Ah well, I just wish that when all the whites are used up I could come see the complete mess what's left make of the place. It will almost certainly become a third world hell hole without the Western Civ work ethic they deride as "acting white."

Either they figure out how to suck it up and work for their supper, or this will become another hell on earth.

At that point, I weep for the ones who did take it to heart successful cultural paradigms. They'll get eaten alive in the country to come.

You won't have to wait very long. Take a trip to Detroit, South Central LA, St. Louis...the list of POD's, (Pits of Despair), US Urban areas is lengthy. For all practical purposes, this country is being hollowed out. Better get a plan man!

I'd rather discuss what white privilege isn't. It isn't shame. It isn't guilt. It isn't prostrating yourself before the different minority communities and begging for forgiveness for being born white.

The whole concept just creates Racism

The only time I ever, ever, ever have cultural anxiety of any form, like ANYONE else... is when i feel threatened by that group and acting like i'm responsible or should be held accountable for things I never did creates Fear which Creates hate so this is a bad thing to be brought around by the media IMHO

a reply to: Jamie1

The point of this thread is the brilliance of the strategy in terms of indoctrination and propaganda principles. It's very reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels.

So, what you're saying is Joseph Goebbels was brilliant - and that his relentless denigration the Jews is the same thing as what a certain segment of society here in the USA is doing to white folk?

White people are being persecuted?

By who? To what end?

Something in here does smell a little Goebbels-y...

By the way Jamie1 - I asked you 4 real questions. Let's see if you've got what it takes to answer them

What folks have to understand is that there was and still is (to a lesser degree of course) immense racial injustices in historical America. Not centuries ago but as late as the early 60’s did extreme racism abound in America institutions and in the society as a whole.

Those people experienced white supremacy and acute racism in their daily lives up until the 60’s and even then it took years and massive legislation to correct many wrongs.

Do you think something that existed for 4 centuries is just going to go away in a few years?

Of course not

The only pernicious indoctrination that has gone on is the doctrine of white supremacy in America that has poisoned the minds of millions over the years.

Indeed it’s a good thing we have a black president and it means progress in eliminating racialism has come about but we still have miles to go to have racial justice and equality in America.


We strive to attain the dream Martin Luther King so eloquently spoke of:

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, that one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exhalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

www.let.rug.nl...

As Americans we all have to take it upon ourselves to keep the dream alive with hope and understanding.
And with all our efforts try to prevent the dream from becomming a nightmare...

Privilege comes from the barrel of a gun. If you don't believe me, you will.

a reply to: ketsuko

I never claimed that privilege is based solely on skin color did I? To refresh your memory, here are the actual statements I made regarding privilege (to Jamie1):

"White privilege" describes a single example of societal privilege — the difference in experiences of individuals who are members of the dominate class and those who are not. Do you not believe in the stratification of society or is it just this one instance that is difficult for you to accept? I'm sure you can recognize examples of this phenomena in circumstances where political bias isn't impeding your thinking.

I do appreciate the effort you made to file everything under the benign sounding "cultural processes at work" but I think you're conflating cause and effect to do so.

Now let's examine the crux of your argument (we'll ignore the Western culture is the best culture bit for now):

If an African American individual is raised within the strictures of Western Civilization and "acts white" or basically adopts the behaviors of the culture, they are going to more or less have the same chances of success as anyone else raised with that cultural paradigm.

That sounds super. It's also complete BS. Take a look at the top of the ladder:

A big part of the lack in diversity on the list is the lack of diversity among executives overall. Women hold few of the top jobs at major companies. There are now 22 at the helm of Fortune 500 companies with Lynn Good’s appointment as CEO of Duke Energy in July, which means less than 5 percent of those positions are filled by women.

Top executives are also not racially diverse. Among Fortune 500 CEOs, six are black, making up just 1.2 percent. There are eight Latino and eight Asian CEOs, accounting for just 1.6 percent each.

source

What 'cultural behaviors' are women supposed to adopt to mitigate "male privilege?" Perhaps gender reassignment?

a reply to: Jamie1

You're coming off very dense. Racial discrimination is everywhere. How do you think it's spread. You've seen the recent "black uproar" in Furg, That's giving ammo to white privilege. Individual experiences lmfao... what? Quit dancing around the obvious... racism fuels white privilege. You genuinely can't see that can you? Lol

a reply to: theantediluvian

I didn't say that Western Culture is the "best" culture. It is the prevalent culture at work in the US. But you could make a very strong argument that Western Civilization is well past its prime. There are other cultures out there that are far more vigorous and much less prone to the type of intellectual breast beating and self-shaming that hinder their development. China is a good place to look and they've been strong and unashamed to be Chinese for long, long time.

I'd actually say that aside from a period of stagnation where their isolation allowed them to sit on their duffs, they might actually win the trophy.

If women want to take the top spot, they ought to act like men, and by that I mean work exactly the same hours, no time off for children or family. Stop wanting the amount of flex time they generally do, etc. Those things slow down female job progression. Those women who do are generally as successful as their male counterparts, but most women don't want to make that sacrifice because, go figure, we women tend to want to be women and want home, hearth and family. Women who fall outside that norm do just fine.

And there is no shame at all in that no matter which way a woman goes for all the feminists try to shame you into thinking there ought to be.

And as far as no diversity, my husband works with Germans, Indians, Chinese, Philippinos, an Israeli, a Persian, some South Americans, as well as the American group who are from all walks of life and ethnicities and he's well placed at a multi-national pharma ... his boss's boss is a tough as nails Indian woman, and his direct bosses have been individuals from no less than three of the ethnicities I listed above.

Big companies actively search for and recruit diverse talent because they are well aware of people like you.