New Orleans Passes Extensive Smoking Ban

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

Again their you go trying to change the argument to meet your agenda.

I'm no bully, and I believe in letting anyone do what they want as long as it doesn't INFRINGE on the right of others.

Unlike yourself who is a bully by forcing others to take your physical abuse on their personal area because it feels good for you.

a reply to: RammerJammer

And I gave you a real answer.

You don't just eat for nutrition - you can get balanced nutrition through an IV - you eat for pleasure as well!

I smoke for pleasure! Got it - understand it. A patch, gummy lozenge, dip, snuff e-cigarette and anything else you can name does NOT give me pleasure.

Why do people ride motorcycles. Cars exist, can provide transportation and are far safer. Why would anyone risk their health and safety to ride a motorcycle? For the pleasure!!!

Tired of Control Freaks

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: AutOmatIc

Cool, come over for dinner. I will take your silly argument and raise you:

I will set the table in the garage turn on the car and close the door, it will be fantastic dinner experience.

Hey smoke doesn't physically bother people, right.

I almost fell on the floor.

originally posted by: RammerJammer

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: AutOmatIc

Cool, come over for dinner. I will take your silly argument and raise you:

I will set the table in the garage turn on the car and close the door, it will be fantastic dinner experience.

Hey smoke doesn't physically bother people, right.

I almost fell on the floor.

Difference being, if you put someone in a closed garage with a car running, they will die within hours perhaps sooner. Put someone in a closed garage with smokers, they might have a headache, get nauseous, but they will not die that day. That's how poisonous and dangerous the exhaust from your vehicles are.

So it's ok then to drive around poisoning everyone with your vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle etc) but god forbid somebody lights up a tobacco product. Pfft.

a reply to: interupt42

You have completely denied me an outlet for socialization with my friends. You have created a false identity of me and demeaned me.

Far from merely preventing others from infringing on your rights - you are actively harmed many many people. Seniors who are lonely and have no place to go.

Mental patients, prisoners and anyone else under the control of government have been subjected to enforced medical treatment (smoking cessation is medical treatment) for a problem they did not seek help with.

In the end- you are revealed - you are a simple, garden variety bully, and a coward.

Tired of Control Freaks

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: RammerJammer

And I gave you a real answer.

You don't just eat for nutrition - you can get balanced nutrition through an IV - you eat for pleasure as well!

I smoke for pleasure! Got it - understand it. A patch, gummy lozenge, dip, snuff e-cigarette and anything else you can name does NOT give me pleasure.

Why do people ride motorcycles. Cars exist, can provide transportation and are far safer. Why would anyone risk their health and safety to ride a motorcycle? For the pleasure!!!

Tired of Control Freaks

Masterbating gives people pleasure too, but that does not mean you do it in public. I eat to stay alive as do all humans. Now if I was sitting a table beside you and spit my food on you I bet you would get pissed. Now if I put my food in my mouth and swallow you would not mind. Same goes for smoking. When you blow it out it bothers people.

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks

So you have no concern for physically abusing someone elses personal space for your own pleasure and yet you don't think of yourself as a bully?

It appears to me that your personal desire has gotten the better of your judgement.

With that said I'm going to eat lunch with my kid. Luckily in FL it will be a NON smoking establishment. I know, you don't care about kids and how dare I bring them up as a concern.

You are a great citizen fighting for the rights to invade other peoples personal space.

originally posted by: AutOmatIc

originally posted by: RammerJammer

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: AutOmatIc

Cool, come over for dinner. I will take your silly argument and raise you:

I will set the table in the garage turn on the car and close the door, it will be fantastic dinner experience.

Hey smoke doesn't physically bother people, right.

I almost fell on the floor.

Difference being, if you put someone in a closed garage with a car running, they will die within hours perhaps sooner. Put someone in a closed garage with smokers, they might have a headache, get nauseous, but they will not die that day. That's how poisonous and dangerous the exhaust from your vehicles are.

So it's ok then to drive around poisoning everyone with your vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle etc) but god forbid somebody lights up a tobacco product. Pfft.

No that is not true. If the rate of combustion uses more oxygen than can enter the room you will die. I can promise you if I light a pile of cigarettes the size of a car in a garage you are gonna die within minutes.

a reply to: RammerJammer

Ah so either way you die. It is a ridiculous scenario to compare to every day normal exposure to both.

But if you are contributing to any form of vehicular pollution, then, in my opinion you have no right to say one word to a smoker. It would be amazingly hypocritical.

a reply to: interupt42

Lets get this situation straight here

There is a smoking ban in your town. Smoking is banned inside the restaurants. Smokers cannot smoke there. You could choose to take your kids into the restaurant. YOU don't! YOU choose to invade a space - the only space - where smoking is allowed and then play the victim card.

You are a bully AND a coward because you hide your bullying behind your kids. You know that if you were alone, and asked someone to stop smoking in a smoking area - that smoker would remind you that you could go inside for a non-smoking environment. But with your kids present - the smoker is more likely to agree and not punch you in the face!

It is YOU infringing on the smokers - not the other way around

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: RammerJammer

When you spit food at me, it is a rude act because the food is going to it me.

When I exhale the smoke from the burning of 19 grams of dried leaves - the ventilation in the room will protect you from exposure.

I have as much right to exhale smoke as anyone has to light a wood burning fire or a candle!

(it astonishes me how anti-smokers like to compare smoke to chewed up food, farts, BO, piss and # - are you all children in grade 2 to take such pleasure in talking about such things)

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: RammerJammer

It really really isn't normal to light that many cigarettes in a room at one time.

However, I will point out that if you lit that many candles at the same time, the same thing would happen.

I just can't figure out why anyone would do that.

What an absurd comparison

Tired of Control Freaks

I have to go to sleep now. Tonight I will get people drunk then sell them cigarettes. When I go into work I will pick up all the cigarette butts that people threw on the ground. Then I will take all the ashtrays and spray them with pine sol and wipe them clean. I will wipe all the ashes off the outdoor tables. Later in the night when my friends go outside to smoke I will join them in the cold wet weather. They will smoke as I sip my beer, and hopefully my establishment made their day a little better.

a reply to: RammerJammer

Many many people make a living by catering to smokers. This is why - in the end - smoking bans will fail. I am so glad that you truly appreciate the smokers who are your customers.

And if you don't

Please go to work in a non-smoking bar so that you will like the atmosphere better!

Tired of Control Freaks

If 100 people get together and say to one person, "Hey, we don't agree to breathe your carcinogenic and acrid pollution, go do it somewhere else." Is being a control freak then what is 1 person telling 100 people "no, I dictate what you breathe. And I'm so sick of people telling me to not tell them what to do!"?

There's a pretty wide gulf between making someone pollute and spread cancer in private and telling people that their only options are to suffocate or breathe their carcinogenic pollution, which they never agreed to do.

You're the ones that agreed to breathe carcinogenic pollution, how can you honestly justify defending forcing other people who haven't agreed to breathe it too?

a reply to: framedragged

I???? Sorry Framedragged. I never forced anyone to breathe anything. I respect all smoking bans.

It is anti-smokers who decreed that I must not exist anywhere on this planet and that all tobacco must be eradicated.

If 1 person says to 100 people - I am going to step into this separated ventilated room and smoke a cigarette. Is it my fault if 90 people step into the room with me and say "that is ok. I like BBQs and I like wood fires and I like candles. I am sure that you little cigarette smoke is not going to bother me and I really like your company and like to party with you"

And 1 little control freaks with a pathogenic fear of exposure and a believe that faithfully following all the absurdities of public health will guarantee him a long life and peaceful death gets jealous and tries to eradicate smoking so that he can join the party

Just exactly who is the bully here?

You all went too far when you decreed laws to control a legal activity on someone else's property.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks


You are making some really good points.
You're holding your own with a few on this thread so it's all good reading.

I'm an ex smoker so I get where some of these non smokers are coming from when they talk about the smell and the sore throat or whatever.
What I don't get is that they actually believe being in a room with smokers...is going to kill them or give them cancer.
In the UK. Around 6% of all deaths were from lung cancer.
So I wonder what the actual percentage of this six percent would be for smokers v non smokers ?

Yeah.....the smoke stinks but I'm sorry.......passive smoking is a farce and if people ARE dying from passive smoking. I don't think it's on a scale to justify what's happened around the world with the ban on smoking.

Smoking bans need to be repealed on a global scale.
Secondhand smoke concerns are propagandist scares and outright lies.
The movement was created by special interest groups who gave money to lobbyists and corporations and vice versa.
Liberties have been greatly and substantially destroyed by these acts
Far worse chemicals are found in everyday cleansers, industrial pollution, food, vehicular exhaust.
Vehicular death is much more common and yet, barely a concern.
I've responded to this before. People elect to follow this ridiculous campaign blindly because they've either bought into the hype, lost someone to cancer or just don't like the smell.

I used to consider New Orleans as someplace I badly wanted to visit, if not live. Not anymore. I also won't attend my local college thanks to their ridiculous campus-wide smoking ban. As far as I see it, the world has gone literally insane when it comes to this matter and it's a great source of sadness to me.

a reply to: lambros56

Lambros56

Lung cancer is a rare disease with less than 200,000 cases per year in the United States. The only indication that active smoking "Causes" lung cancer is a statistical association that indicates that smokers have a lifetime risk of lung cancer at about 8.5 %, while never-smokers have lung cancer at about half that rate.

Here is the statistic that you really need to remember - 8.5 % of smokers get lung cancer and 92.4 % of smokers DON'T.

Correlation is NEVER considered sufficient proof Causation.

After 60 years of anti-smoking the incidence of lung cancer should be falling like a rock - it isn't! That is a strong indication that smoking does not CAUSE lung cancer

Many real scientists (not activist scientist) are seriously looking at the HPV virus that CAUSES cervical cancer. It also CAUSES oral-phangeal cancers. HPV is a sexually transmitted virus. Some strains - not all - cause cancer and not all strains have been identified.

HPV is the cause of 25 % of all lung cancers in the western world but like I said - not all strains have been discovered yet.

Here is a link for you

www.lungcancerfoundation.org...


You will notice that 60 % of all new lung cancer cases occur in never-smokers and former smokers.

The reason lung cancer is such a killer is because anti-smokers convinced the public that there should be limited research into lung cancers for early detection and treatment.]

They cursed themselves here - they suffer from lung cancer and condemned themselves to the same painful death.

Tired of Control Freaks

a reply to: gottaknow

Gottaknow

there is an earlier post where I discuss passive smoke madness and the ultimate fate of all anti-smoker campaigns

Take hope

In the meantime - withhold every dime you can - no support for the hospitality sector that did not stand up for its customers etc etc.

It won't be long now - a few more years will see the whole thing melt away like ice cream. Its just a momentary hysteria that sometimes overtakes a population (like alcohol prohibition).

Tired of Control Freaks