The era of Aletheia, a place I would love to live in..

The world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. Man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.

Does this statement reflect Aletheian principles? If you agree with this statement, star this post. If not, please explain why not.

This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit.

Please star if you agree.

a reply to: DJW001

Haha, you are priceless. Just out of curiosity, who made you the king of all threads on ATS? The rules are already set, and by thinking that you can waltz in here and dictate what You want to discuss and making up Your own rules regarding my thread is utterly ignorant. But on the other hand, I sure like the comical aspect of you comments, so please keep them coming (preferably right away, because I just made some popcorn) but please keep out personal and ignorant assumptions and follow the rules of the thread.

I see that you haven’t gotten a lot of response to your brilliant and of topic comments here.. So Im gonna help you with that by replying on your ”contributions” as good as I possibly can..

In order to further this discussion, allow me to ask the people who starred to OP to air their opinions on other quotations that reflect Crowdpsychology's political philosophy. If you agree with a quotation, star the post. Let's begin.

Like I have said to you before this has nothing to do with me, and for the third time read the rules of the thread instead of making it to a embarrassing competition and focusing on personal preconceptions of me as a person. And please stop fishing stars.

"The world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. Man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists."

Does this statement reflect Aletheian principles? If you agree with this statement, star this post. If not, please explain why not.

I think you have drifted of again. We are not here to compare ideologies, we are here to collectively contribute to the society of Aletheia. Why not share your own ideas which can make the society better, instead of breaking the rules and drawing parallels to other ideologies? Is that really too hard to ask..

"This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit."

Please star if you agree.

Here we go again with the stars, come on bud. You are better than that!
And no, the two-part quote you have posted does not represent Aletheia according to what I wrote in my first two posts in this thread. But if You feel like using parts mentioned in the book "Readings on Fascism and National Socialism” in the society of Aletheia, you have to write why you think they fit, and how they would make the society better. When you are done with that, we have to see if the involved members in this thread agrees with you or not.

Henceforth, please respect the rules of the thread and feel free to come up with your own contributions to make the society of Aletheia better.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

You do not set the rules; this board is founded on freedom of expression. Thank you for admitting that you are familiar with Fascist literature, it will make it all the more difficult for you to claim that you do not understand the implications of your philosophy. Like Fascism, you would empower a small group of people to determine the role of each individual in society. These "committees" of yours correspond to Mussolini's "Party:" an elite that organizes the State for the benefit of "society," ie; the State, since the State is the "expression of the individual."

I do not think that it is a coincidence that you fail to define "society" when challenged, or can explain who you consider to be a member of society. Based on the way you accuse people who disagree with you names that imply they are in some way inferior, it seems that your definition of "society," like Plato's, may have different levels of citizenship. The "ignorant," or "psychologically unfit" would presumably not be permitted to participate in the political process.

Your assertion that "transparency" would somehow prevent crime and corruption is pure fantasy. The "ideal" situation you describe is a society wide panopticon; a surveillance state. Even this, as the experience of every totalitarian state proves, is no barrier to crime and corruption; on the contrary, the "transparency" merely serves the State, and the State is perverted to serve the corrupt.

I look forward to you addressing these issues in a mature fashion.

First , i dont like name Aletheia.

You see where is this going? Human species are not predictable.We are not robots.Your idea is impossible in the next 10000 years for sure.Facts are , every human need food ,clean water and warm shelter.Maximum achievment on global scale in the near future for humans are to provide for FREE food ,clean water and warm shelter for every soul on this planet.I will add and internet to these 3 and we are good.You must be bored to come up with this thread.

a reply to: DJW001

Here we go again with the personal assumptions and the politically-inspired name-calling. You know thats against the rules, right? And the fact of the matter is, when composing a thread the person who creates it have to set guiding rules about what the thread should be about and what subjects that are welcome and not. This is also a rule in ATS, If members are not posting relevant content based on the guidelines in the thread nothing would work here. Whats your next criteria in my thread, talking about the unstable environment, debating who's going to win the next football game?

But I now see how some people operate in this forum and to be honest, making board wars, political baiting and calling in your friends to star your posts as well as making deliberate unrealistic questions whiteout follow up is pretty sad. Your politically-charged rhetoric against me is absolutely not welcomed in this thread and it's also against the rules here on ATS. These are the following ignorant and harassing statements you have said in this thread:

"Thank you for admitting that you are familiar with Fascist literature"

”At least you are up front about Pimping One World Government"

"Forcing them to use money is the least of his dictatorial demands!”

”Question for the floor: can anyone else identify what political philosophy Crowdpsychology is propounding here? "

”Allow me to ask the people who starred to OP to air their opinions on other quotations that reflect Crowdpsychology's political philosophy.”

Your derailing tactic is both sad and cute, but for this forum to function members need to follow the guidelines made by the OP, because if everybody would follow your mindset every thread on this forum would be incoherent and irrelevant.

Thank you for admitting that you are familiar with Fascist literature, it will make it all the more difficult for you to claim that you do not understand the implications of your philosophy.

Wonderful assumption when you were in fact the person who first attached the quotes from the book. The only thing I did was copy and paste it in google to see what came up.

Like Fascism, you would empower a small group of people to determine the role of each individual in society.

Wrong again, and as usual you’re twisting words to your liking. How about addressing the subject like a proud and knowledgeable person instead of playing childish games? The society shall be run by the people and the committees are merely a tool to organize the decision process which is decided by the whole society, all people of this earth. Im certain that's not what fascism is about, but please elaborate if you feel otherwise.

These "committees" of yours correspond to Mussolini's "Party:" an elite that organizes the State for the benefit of "society," ie; the State, since the State is the "expression of the individual.

So you are telling me that Mussolini’s party and the rules involved was voted upon by all the citizens of this earth? I think you have to study this subject more before making silly comments like this.

I do not think that it is a coincidence that you fail to define "society" when challenged, or can explain who you consider to be a member of society. Based on the way you accuse people who disagree with you names that imply they are in some way inferior

First of all, I have told you this before but unfortunately whiteout any result. This society are not decided by me and me alone, this is something all involved members should contribute too, including yourself. I have never accused any people in this thread who disagrees with me, but I have told you, and you alone that your behavior in this thread is not welcome. The reason is self explainable, you don't seem to understand what the thread is about and the only thing you do is; twisting words, comparing ideologies, making it to a personal challenge and making silly assumptions based on your own dystopian view.

It seems that your definition of "society," like Plato's, may have different levels of citizenship. The "ignorant," or "psychologically unfit" would presumably not be permitted to participate in the political process.

The above comment is a perfect example of your personal assumptions based on your own head and nothing mentioned in this thread. Where do you get everything from?

Your assertion that "transparency" would somehow prevent crime and corruption is pure fantasy.

Twisting words again, are we. This is what I wrote about transparency "Full transparency is important to integrate the citizens in the striving of the human race. We need to be informed of the real situation to feel the urge of improvement, to feel we are a part of something bigger and more important" I am amazed how you get that to "transparency will prevent crime and corruption” The laws and contexture of the society will prevent crimes and corruption like I have stated before.

The "ideal" situation you describe is a society wide panopticon; a surveillance state. Even this, as the experience of every totalitarian state proves, is no barrier to crime and corruption; on the contrary, the "transparency" merely serves the State, and the State is perverted to serve the corrupt

Still twisting words, please don't make silly assumptions with zero connection to what I have described. Im starting to think you are the one with the totalitarian point of view, backed by all your posted quotes based on fascism and panopticism aspects. I have said it before, If you feel like ideas from fascism are beneficial for the society of Aletheia you have to address which parts you want to use and why they would make the society better.

I understand that you are trying to compare Aletheia too some kind of ”hunger game” society with aspects from totalitarianism, fascism, surveillance state, "psychologically unfit” people etc. But this mindset is your and yours alone. Remember the cornerstones of Aletheia are; love, transparency, security, opportunity and growth.

Please leave your own dystopian view outside of this discussion, but feel free to contribute with your own ideas that will make this society better based on how the society already is described and the cornerstones mentioned.

a reply to: xavi1000

Why don't you like the name? It was based on the following information: en.wikipedia.org...
What would be a better name according to you and why?

You see where is this going? Human species are not predictable.We are not robots.Your idea is impossible in the next 10000 years for sure.Facts are , every human need food ,clean water and warm shelter.Maximum achievment on global scale in the near future for humans are to provide for FREE food ,clean water and warm shelter for every soul on this planet.I will add and internet to these 3 and we are good.You must be bored to come up with this thread.

Which aspects according to you makes the human species unpredictable? Greed, the "quest for money”, war, a insecure society? Because all these factors shall in time be removed in the society of Aletheia. Aspect of time, and when the society shall be implemented is not really important, and your "10000 year" statement isn’t backed by any facts, but feel free to elaborate.

Im all for Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and the only thing you are stating by ”food, clean water and warm shelter” are the first two steps in this theory. But you come out short with that statement, because humans (according to the theory and myself) also need the following things: Love/belonging, Appreciation/feedback and Self-actualization.

I believe the factors I mentioned regarding the society will make these (three) last steps possible, as well as the first two you mentioned. If you read my first post, you will see what I mean and which factor that will make each step possible.

I have also mentioned "FREE food, clean water and warm shelter for every soul on this plane" as you put it. Global goals of Aletheia shall be to exterminate homelessness, poverty, hunger and criminal activity. You can read about this in my fist post in this thread.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

I believe that currency is greatly important to ensure a smooth transition between our society and Aletheia. Money is also s very convenient form of payment.

Also very convenient to manipulate. Countries and presidents have who go against the current fiat based Rothschild controlled banking have been destroyed; do you think they will give up their wealth without creating a perceived threat and war?

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Here we go again with the personal assumptions and the politically-inspired name-calling. You know thats against the rules, right? And the fact of the matter is, when composing a thread the person who creates it have to set guiding rules about what the thread should be about and what subjects that are welcome and not. This is also a rule in ATS, If members are not posting relevant content based on the guidelines in the thread nothing would work here.

You are the only one calling anyone names on this thread. Also, there is no rule on ATS that " when composing a thread the person who creates it have to set guiding rules about what the thread should be about and what subjects that are welcome and not." There is no such rule on ATS; in fact, it is up to the Mods to determine whether a post is on topic or not. Since most of my posts cite your posts, they are clearly on topic; this post threatens to derail the thread because of what you yourself posted; yet another personal accusation against me.

I understand that you are trying to compare Aletheia too some kind of ”hunger game” society with aspects from totalitarianism, fascism, surveillance state, "psychologically unfit” people etc. But this mindset is your and yours alone. Remember the cornerstones of Aletheia are; love, transparency, security, opportunity and growth.

I have merely pointed out the outcome of the policies you are advocating based on the historical record. Do you really expect people to believe that you name your Utopia "Aletheia" in honor of Martin Heidegger and yet, unlike him, you have no Nazi sympathies?

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
And the fact of the matter is, when composing a thread the person who creates it have to set guiding rules about what the thread should be about and what subjects that are welcome and not. This is also a rule in ATS

Care to show us that rule in the T&C's?

All your ideas are just for a Fascist state!

I would say that a plan like this would take 10 to 20 generations to implement into a society.

The main problem we have to day is that Our generations are being educated to drift the soscial and political structure we have. We are not actually educated in how to improve on it.

Democracy is Our best form of government, we dont actually know of anything better. Because we have never had anything better, we have only had worse.

Democracy have gotten us to hwere we are to day. And it is not working like we would have hoped. I dosent work in the Public faviour becasue we are not really a part of the democratic choices that are being made. Real choices are being made by elected government offisials on Our behalf and for us. The argument we Accept is that this makes the government more functional and effective. This acceptance is what creates Our problems. Because it gives Our government more authority where we are not involved in the political prosess. They create Our "social" laws without Our concent. When a government does this without the Publics concent it devides the Public more and more.

Our governments are implementing small changes into Our society each year. This way they groom Our genesrations to Accept and adapt to these small implementations in small steps. I have noticed how Security have changed on airports these last 14 years. But to my doughter who is 16 years old. These New implementatins by Our government seam Logic and normal to her. And her opinion is that we need them. That is because she was to small 14 years ago to notice what it was like before the implementations were installed. I have also adapted to these New changes. It is proctically imposible to agrue against it, because it is politically correct to have something in Place that is there for Our safety.

If we really want changes we have to start small. Doing to much at once will divide the Public.

But how do we make changes to a system that have such a grasp on us already? I dont think it is possible. We the Public are to divided on the subject.

There was a Think Tank some 35 to 40 years ago that was given the task of figuring out what is the fastest and moste efficient Method to change a society? Their conclusion was: By war. By war is the moste efficient Method of forcing a large populated society to work together towards a common political goal.

To day we see that something simulart to WARs is being used to force us to come together towards a common goal. And that is by Terrorism. We have created and installed organisasation Such as Charlie Hebo and many others to guide us into a common Group of People who share the same views and opinions. This way Things can be done politically/democratically. Because Our government will act upon Our unity.

Common People are aware of this when they step back and observe the prosess. But directly they can not do anything to stop the prosess because they have already given their support and concent. Even if the changes are not what they had in mind. But its to late, they now have a argument towards you.

Makeing changes gradually to change or society is imposible. There are to many People With to many differences. Our governments figured that out a long time ago. But we have not figured that out yet. We know it but we dont really want to believe it is true. We sure dont act like it.

a reply to: spy66

There was a Think Tank some 35 to 40 years ago that was given the task of figuring out what is the fastest and moste efficient Method to change a society? Their conclusion was: By war. By war is the moste efficient Method of forcing a large populated society to work together towards a common political goal.

Correct. Providing a mutual threat, even an imaginary one, has long been an efficient way to unite a populace and move a society towards a common goal. This is why fascist states inevitably go to war: Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Putin's Russia... even Franco went to war against his own people. Based on this historical record, Aletheia would certainly need to engage in a program of spreading its harmonious ideology by force of arms.

a reply to: hellobruce

Hah "show us", well thanks for proving the points I made in my previous comment.

I really don't see any connections between Aletheia and fascism, but your expertise can maybe help "us" with that. Here are some characteristics that defines fascism:

www.rense.com...

Based on your expert opinion, please draw parallels from these 14 points to the things I have statet regarding the society of Aletheia.

Take your time…

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Also very convenient to manipulate

What exactly do you mean by "very convinient to manipulate"? Are you talking about our current society or do you mean when Aletheia and the new laws has been implemented?

One of the cornerstones about in Aletheia is transparency, and this also goes for salaries because they are a part of the public information (work) There will also be harsh laws to counteract/deter people from corruption, secret societies, clandestine deals. People working for political parties, committees will also be replaced after a fixed time to prevent manipulation of money.

Please elaborate what you think the possible threats are regarding manipulation of currency in the society of Aletheia, and please add how they could be stopped. Should paper money be swapper for something else? What would that be and how would that make the situation better?

Countries and presidents have who go against the current fiat based Rothschild controlled banking have been destroyed; do you think they will give up their wealth without creating a perceived threat and war?

I believe if the people of this earth would know how our society really works and what the secret orders/societies are doing this would fix this problem. These powers can only function when people live in ignorance of the real situation and facts. Ordinary people involved in banks, military, political parties, police etc would not help these few and greedy people, they would instead do whats best for the society and as a result for themselfs. There could possibly be some rough years regarding the "ultra rich" people of this earth, but when 99% of the worlds population wants this change there is not much this 1% can do accept following the rules or take the consequences.

The only reason it works as you described today, is beacuse in our society we allow secret accounts in tax havens, almost no transpericy except our personal information, loose laws for corruption, no limit on wealth and ceilings on salaries, allowing secret orders/societies to function as they do, as well as having the mindset that money is our main strive. Thats why people can be bought along the way and make all of this possible.

Appriciate your good and logic questions, and I'm looking forward to your thoughts.

a reply to: DJW001

The majority of your statemens and questions are so far fetched that I have to go get my binoculars to even comprehend the meaning behind them. But like I said before, I sure appreciate the comical composition of your comments.

I chose the word Aletheia because of its literal meaning in ancient Greek ἀ–λήθεια - "the state of not being hidden" which is one of the main aspecs of this society. The word also means: unclosedness, unconcealedness, disclosure or truth. The paralells to "transparency" is pretty self explanable, but you might need help to decipher it?

Don't be afraid to ask if you get stuck, im more than willing to lend a helping hand.

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Bla bla, totalitarianism, fascism, nanny-state, we think for you, one world government BS.

Did you really spend all that time composing what you could have known would be rejected for what it is?

Meh,

/exits thread left.

PS Animal cloning? # no, animals can do that on their own, or hadn't you noticed?

A state of not being hidden = lack of privacy, ergo a panopticon society. Why do you keep contradicting yourself?a reply to: Crowdpsychology

Because of some preconceptions regarding the society of Aletheia, and parallels drawn to other ideologies, I want to emphasize some things regarding this thread.

The society and the parts, ideas or rules involved are not written in stone. Aletheia should represent "a society I would love to live in" and you as member have a saying in the fabric of it. The goal of this is to collect as many good ideas as possible for us to create a society as close as possible to a utopian view. The goal is not to compare the society of Aletheia to other ideologies and their flaws, its rather about putting together the best parts of every qualified ideology written during the history of mankind. Think of this thread as a chance of being part in the creation of a perfect living condition in symmetry with every individual and our planet itself.

a reply to: spy66

I would say that a plan like this would take 10 to 20 generations to implement into a society. The main problem we have to day is that Our generations are being educated to drift the soscial and political structure we have. We are not actually educated in how to improve on it. Democracy is Our best form of government, we dont actually know of anything better. Because we have never had anything better, we have only had worse.

I agree with you about our current educational systems, and its especially bad if you look at the statistics in America. But with more transparency, a greater feeling of belonging and more even wages the strive for individuals to improve their society and learn about it would be become greater. Wouldn’t you say?

I also believe you are right regarding democracy, and thats why its a key aspect in the society of Aletheia. International and national voting backed by full transparency, so you can base your vote on the real situation.

Democracy have gotten us to hwere we are to day. And it is not working like we would have hoped. I dosent work in the Public faviour becasue we are not really a part of the democratic choices that are being made. Real choices are being made by elected government offisials on Our behalf and for us. The argument we Accept is that this makes the government more functional and effective. This acceptance is what creates Our problems. Because it gives Our government more authority where we are not involved in the political prosess. They create Our "social" laws without Our concent. When a government does this without the Publics concent it devides the Public more and more.

Absolutely true, and I believe that ceilings on salaries and wealth can make this problem better. If government official where giving almost the same salary as the rest of us, there would no longer be a inactive to apply for these kind of jobs based on greed, power and money. People would instead apply for these jobs because they want to make the world a better place for all of us. When we have full transparency regarding our government, everybody (politicians, farmers etc) would be on the same wavelength when it comes to future goals for the human race.
There would no longer be any leverage for the people who are ”in the know” because now everybody sees the same thing. I also believe that this would attract more knowledgeable people to government jobs, people who would do their best to make their society better out of the goodness of their heart instead of being corrupt by the chase for money.

Our governments are implementing small changes into Our society each year. This way they groom Our genesrations to Accept and adapt to these small implementations in small steps. I have noticed how Security have changed on airports these last 14 years. But to my doughter who is 16 years old. These New implementatins by Our government seam Logic and normal to her. And her opinion is that we need them. That is because she was to small 14 years ago to notice what it was like before the implementations were installed. I have also adapted to these New changes. It is proctically imposible to agrue against it, because it is politically correct to have something in Place that is there for Our safety.

This is the reason why we need full transparency into our government, companies as well as the banning of secret societies. We as people of this earth must know the total truth about situations for our current ”democratic” society to work, but unfortunately thats not the case in our current situation. This is the reason behind transparency being one of the cornerstones of the society of Aletheia. When this change, our way of educations will also change and when that happens all individuals can come together to work for unified goals that would make their society better.

If we really want changes we have to start small. Doing to much at once will divide the Public. But how do we make changes to a system that have such a grasp on us already? I dont think it is possible. We the Public are to divided on the subject.

I agree with small steps, but I think 200-400 years like you mentioned before is a bit long. I believe that we could make these changes during a period of 100 years if not less than that. As soon as the meaning of money is fading away and swapped with the feeling of belonging and gratitude this society will start to evolve on its own. The first step in this transformation should be ceilings on salaries and ceilings on wealth. I personally don’t believe its reasonable for one individual to have a wealth of $1 billion, or for a company to have monopoly on a market. The only things that comes out of that is greed, the urge for more power, envy, corruption etc. and these things are not good for the population in whole or the planet itself.

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a reply to: spy66

There was a Think Tank some 35 to 40 years ago that was given the task of figuring out what is the fastest and moste efficient Method to change a society?Their conclusion was: By war. By war is the moste efficient Method of forcing a large populated society to work together towards a common political goal.

Can you find the study made by the think tank? It would be nice to read about it and see who was behind the research. War seems like a very logic way of steering a society into another kind of living, but I don’t think its the only way of doing it. I believe that full transparency could be used in almost the same way, but instead of using fear we use truth and information.

To day we see that something simulart to WARs is being used to force us to come together towards a common goal. And that is by Terrorism. We have created and installed organisasation Such as Charlie Hebo and many others to guide us into a common Group of People who share the same views and opinions. This way Things can be done politically/democratically. Because Our government will act upon Our unity.

Common People are aware of this when they step back and observe the prosess. But directly they can not do anything to stop the prosess because they have already given their support and concent. Even if the changes are not what they had in mind. But its to late, they now have a argument towards you.

The problem with our current society and the real and similar aspects we in fact have today which correlates with the conclusion of the study, is that if we don’t change something soon we will shortly find ourselves in a society that is more fascist than anything we have ever seen in our history. We already have the technology to make a big chunk of the population useless in the next 50 years. The ultra rich people wouldn’t mind if the conclusion the think tank came up with became bigger, because that aspect would only make these people even more powerful and wealthier and it would make it easy for them to implement profitable laws and new living conditions along the way.

Makeing changes gradually to change or society is imposible. There are to many People With to many differences. Our governments figured that out a long time ago. But we have not figured that out yet. We know it but we dont really want to believe it is true. We sure dont act like it.

Do you really believe that is true? I think the main aspect regarding differences in people is religion, beyond that is just a matter of; physiological needs, safety, belonging, self-esteem and self-actualization. If the aspect of money would change from something you need, something to strive for - to something that is necessary we would drastically reduce the feeling of envy and that would make us more willing to engage in human interactions and in time this would reduce our differences. More similar wealth and ceilings on salaries will also reduce our differences. The desirable notion in this transformation would be for everybody to realize that all religions comes from the same source and that notion would reduce the feeling of who is right and who is wrong. The discussion would rather be about the peculiar differences time and geographical aspects have made to religion through our history.

I also believe that the aspect of transparency will make similarities among individuals stronger and as far as I know, we haven’t tried a society with ”full transparency” in our human history. Its quite convenient for governments and big corporations to come up with statements like ”people are too different to come together” ”people need a governing power to steer the human race forward” ”people are not smart enough to make their own choices" When they are the ones who benefit from these claims.

Appreciate your reply bud, and I’m looking forward to your next thoughts.