why do they (islamic terrorists) hate us (u.s. and the west) and what do we do about it?

The reason radical Islamic groups are hellbent on the destruction of the west is because they fear it. Their fear has led to hate, and that hatred used to motivate attacks.

Should we call it "westophobia"?.... They fear freedom most of all. Their faith and religion is all about control. Western society and culture threatens them by merely existing.

Tragically islamophobia could lead to similar broad hatred toward Islamic societies and cultures. In many ways it already has. In the end, our similarities may overshadow our differences.

Evil doesn't care, its agenda is to spread hatred, and will stop at nothing to accomplish its objectives.

Evil is winning... On both sides.

originally posted by: ausername
The reason radical Islamic groups are hellbent on the destruction of the west is because they fear it. Their fear has led to hate, and that hatred used to motivate attacks.

Should we call it "westophobia"?.... They fear freedom most of all. Their faith and religion is all about control. Western society and culture threatens them by merely existing.

Tragically islamophobia could lead to similar broad hatred toward Islamic societies and cultures. In many ways it already has. In the end, our similarities may overshadow our differences.

Evil doesn't care, its agenda is to spread hatred, and will stop at nothing to accomplish its objectives.

Evil is winning... On both sides.

they certainly don't fear freedom from western intervention and meddling, they probably don't even know what that is.

originally posted by: madenusa
The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice.
Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.


Read more: whatreallyhappened.com whatreallyhappened.com...

I agree, with this and your earlier post. When the chips are all counted, this deception can easily be traced back to the globalist agenda. I suspect we are in the early stages of World War III already, we just don't know it yet.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

As for muslims demanding sharia law in the west.

Simple:
Deport them.

Its never going to happen so no need to waste time on it or them, send them to a 3rd world sand pit were they can be happy.

originally posted by: Hecate666
Wow, so many excuses for their bad behaviour. Of course the 'west' has attacked their people, we were/are at war [right or wrong]. That is certainly a good reason to hate the west.
That somehow doesn't explain why they kill their own.

Women get stoned to death for adultery = because of drone strikes ?!?
Gays are thrown from buildings = because of drone strikes?!?
10 year old kids [theirs, not ours] are used as suicide bombers to kill other fellow muslims = because of drone strikes????????

Sorry, that doesn't wash.
They seem to push an incredibly medieval agenda of their religion and they are having a whale of a time [raping young girls, killing for fun]. None of these deaths have anything to do with 'the west'.
They hate the west because we are not muslims.

I say this because there are enough muslims who came to the west to study and be free, who do NOT hate us, despite the drone strikes. They understand that those things are down to governments and not individuals.

However the rest are either murdering scum [IS and IB] who tell others to hate the west [amongst everything else they hate, don't flatter yourself U.S. that you are the only thing they hate, because you are just one item on a very long list of hates], or sheep that listen to them [either out of fear or because all they hear about the west are anti-western propaganda].

So in the last two paragraphs of this post, you literally just said that the muslims who did not "come to the west to study and be free","the rest are either murdering scum" etc. etc. I'm just going to point that out and leave it at that.

Others have responded to your argument, l think I can add to their thoughts a little.

Philosophically, I think your human rights concerns are valid. None of those atrocities are the real reasons that we are over there tinkering around, though. None of those atrocities really amounts to an act of war, either. That being said, I would be much more open to the idea of a human rights argument for going there than the fabricated reasons that are always used to justify this forever war. The human rights argument is very compelling for me, but it fails because it doesn't give us the right to violate a nation's sovreignty. We don't have the right to go bust up the place just because we don't like the way they live. That would be like Russia coming in with troops to help with crowd control or civil unrest here in the US. How would you feel about that? A lot of people would consider it an act of war.

But, you know it was just a minor droning, doesn't wash. Easy on the sugar there. On the contrary, it does wash. We have soaked these nations in the blood of their own countrymen. We have brought efficient, wholesale destruction to the peoples of these lands, any who stood up to defend their home or happened to be in the way or the wrong place at the wrong time. Hundreds of thousands if I'm not mistaken we have killed in the middle and far east over the last twenty five years. That's alot of people! They're all dead now!

We probably got a few extremists in the process. The problem is we have and are still creating many times their numbers willing to take their place with the horrific destruction we have wrought in their homeland. I know I'd be pretty upset if some foreigner dropped a bomb down my chimney.

originally posted by: CottonwoodStormy

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

These "terrorists" are only wrong for targeting civilians when they do, not the fact that they are militant and fighting back.

Do you know why ceviliance are the only once targeted for terrorism?

There is a reason. Civilians are targeted because then the government have to act. Thay have to do something.

I agree with you, and I think the government is inducing fear because they have a much bigger plan. Just read an article about neighbourhood cops to robocops, and if anything in this article happens, it will be the end of humanity or freedom. One big concentration camp, and we are heading that way by fighting over who hates who and playing straight into the hands of the TPTB. They have a much bigger agenda, and we need to fight THIS: freedomoutpost.com...

It isent really the government. The government only exploits policies based on our reaction.

The government With true Power is the Secret services like Pentagon, MI5 and 6 and so on. These dont act like governments but they use their Power to shape Our governments views and polocies based in their intell. Our government are only as informed as these secrete institutions educate them.

Our governments always have to go to these Secret services like Pentagon and MI5/6 to ask for information. Our government dont know more about these terrorists than we do.

Pentagon and MI5 and 6 are probably the enteties that have acces to practically everything, everywhere. Our governments fear the Secret services. Because they have the Power to take them out without ever being cought.

when all is said and done i would rather live in our messed up governed western world than under an islamic led world, if extremists want to live under sharia law and an islamic world they should do that in their own countries. i just wish we would stay out of their business and we could all be happy.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

Thanks for reminding me of the title of your OP, Mr. Nut. What do we do about it? I suggest that we just stop. That's right. Just Stop. Abandon the "U.S. Hegmony Abroad" foreign policy in favor of the "Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy". NATO and US interests would still be protected, we would just stop playing doctor with everyone's politics. We would probably win a few more hearts that way, but we would certainly poison less hearts that way.

originally posted by: engineercutout
a reply to: conspiracy nut

Thanks for reminding me of the title of your OP, Mr. Nut. What do we do about it? I suggest that we just stop. That's right. Just Stop. Abandon the "U.S. Hegemony Abroad" foreign policy in favor of the "Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy". NATO and US interests would still be protected, we would just stop playing doctor with everyone's politics. We would probably win a few more hearts that way, but we would certainly poison less hearts that way.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
when all is said and done i would rather live in our messed up governed western world than under an islamic led world, if extremists want to live under sharia law and an islamic world they should do that in their own countries. i just wish we would stay out of their business and we could all be happy.

Yes, why not, I myself do not like to live there, when Obama kisses hands of Saudi king and they make Al-Qaeda, Taliban and ISIS to reorder borders of countries of middle east and for their satanic new world order !
People were beheaded, slaughtered, enslaved, raped, eaten ! .......
These are birth pains of new middle east again, as Susan Rice said someday !!
What a painful birth !!!
The amazing point is that they are always frustrated and their birth is always incomplete. May they be more frustrated.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
a reply to: JimTSpock


This is what I mean, many Americans don't know the extent of America interventionism. It goes back far before 9/11.

The US has factually been invading, intervening, couping, funding rebels in, countries around the world since the 50's. Even farther back for Latin America.

The CIA was involved for example in coups or regime change in Iran in the 50's.

I believe many people are not aware of this fact. It is not easy to undo the pain the US meddling has caused to so many.

In the US, all it takes is a anti US statement and people are ready to bomb some country. Any wonder other countries have had enough with actual intervention.

originally posted by: roadgravel
The US has factually been invading, intervening, couping, funding rebels in, countries around the world since the 50's. Even farther back for Latin America.

To be balanced, in the Cold War especially the Soviets and the West (primarily the US) meddled all over the place. It was not exclusively the US.

Also, other countries have also meddled, funded and caused mayhem, such as the ire directed towards Israel by many Arab countries e.g Iran and Hezbollah. China has manipulated neighbours and crashed Tibet. Russia continue meddling in their neighbours and in the Middle East.

There is a long list.

Regards

a reply to: paraphi

Actually that was someones post I quoted. Yes, other have done meddling. But that doesn't necessarily make it right.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

It's not a bogeyman. The US is funding for example rebels in Syria, with the goal of overthrowing the Syrian regime. The rebels are responsible for almost half of civilian deaths. The US and Nato did the same thing in Libya.

Iraq was just last decade. It is ridiculous to think that people who may have had their family members killed as a result or livelihoods impacted as a result of sanctions or the two Gulf Wars should magically forget.

Seems funny only those funded by the US freak out and go all isis. Also, just because the US funds a small group and it morphed (assumption) into an extremist army doesn't mean the US crated those extremist. They do much worst to each other, and in fact they see the US as weak because we do not go full retard as they do on their own people. Lots of people to hate over there...

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: roadgravel
The US has factually been invading, intervening, couping, funding rebels in, countries around the world since the 50's. Even farther back for Latin America.

To be balanced, in the Cold War especially the Soviets and the West (primarily the US) meddled all over the place. It was not exclusively the US.

Also, other countries have also meddled, funded and caused mayhem, such as the ire directed towards Israel by many Arab countries e.g Iran and Hezbollah. China has manipulated neighbours and crashed Tibet. Russia continue meddling in their neighbours and in the Middle East.

There is a long list.

Regards

This is true, and interventions and manipulations have been done by all kinds of powers. However, since WWII the primary power to do so worldwide and the primary power with the ability to project force across the world is the US, only partly matched by the USSR for a while. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the US has been the sole superpower and by far the biggest manipulator and intervener. You can see factually that we have the biggest military budget, the most air craft carriers, the most worldwide military bases, etc. Proportionally we are doing more. It should be no surprise there are people who are resisting it.

As you noted, other people's and governments are resented for the same reasons, such as the Chinese or the Israelis. This still doesn't detract from my original response as to why some Islamic extremists hate the US.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
a reply to: JimTSpock


This is what I mean, many Americans don't know the extent of America interventionism. It goes back far before 9/11.

The US has factually been invading, intervening, couping, funding rebels in, countries around the world since the 50's. Even farther back for Latin America.

The CIA was involved for example in coups or regime change in Iran in the 50's.

I believe many people are not aware of this fact. It is not easy to undo the pain the US meddling has caused to so many.

In the US, all it takes is a anti US statement and people are ready to bomb some country. Any wonder other countries have had enough with actual intervention.

Exactly, and this is exactly why most Americans have no idea what is going on.

If you only have a high school education, or even a college education that did not include global modern history courses, you would have never been taught what the CIA and US foreign interventions have been all about and done.

The media will never tell people. Our politicians never explain this history when conflicts arise. Instead, we have people like Bush saying "They hate us for our freedoms."

Therefore, Americans support violence and continuing intervention, as they feel victimized by the hatred and attacks rather than the victimizers.

originally posted by: engineercutout
a reply to: conspiracy nut

Thanks for reminding me of the title of your OP, Mr. Nut. What do we do about it? I suggest that we just stop. That's right. Just Stop. Abandon the "U.S. Hegmony Abroad" foreign policy in favor of the "Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy". NATO and US interests would still be protected, we would just stop playing doctor with everyone's politics. We would probably win a few more hearts that way, but we would certainly poison less hearts that way.

Y


YES!

Given that the most central cause of Islamic attacks or hatred on the West is.......... WESTERN intervention in Islamic lands. It is quite logical that the efforts by the west to continue to seek geo-political hegemony needs to stop.

And honestly, if our leaders and half of America don't care and think they have the right to control the world, then they deserve all of the hatred and attacks they get. Think about it...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

It's not a bogeyman. The US is funding for example rebels in Syria, with the goal of overthrowing the Syrian regime. The rebels are responsible for almost half of civilian deaths. The US and Nato did the same thing in Libya.

Iraq was just last decade. It is ridiculous to think that people who may have had their family members killed as a result or livelihoods impacted as a result of sanctions or the two Gulf Wars should magically forget.

Seems funny only those funded by the US freak out and go all isis. Also, just because the US funds a small group and it morphed (assumption) into an extremist army doesn't mean the US crated those extremist. They do much worst to each other, and in fact they see the US as weak because we do not go full retard as they do on their own people. Lots of people to hate over there...

The Syrian rebels are being funded/trained/armed with the express goal of overthrowing the Syrian government....

Hence, going back to why I posted that, none of the US intervention is "ancient history."

Funding civil proxy wars is a great evil... Remember, over 100,000 civilians are dead as a result. Should the families of those people "Just chill out?"

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: engineercutout
a reply to: conspiracy nut

Thanks for reminding me of the title of your OP, Mr. Nut. What do we do about it? I suggest that we just stop. That's right. Just Stop. Abandon the "U.S. Hegmony Abroad" foreign policy in favor of the "Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy". NATO and US interests would still be protected, we would just stop playing doctor with everyone's politics. We would probably win a few more hearts that way, but we would certainly poison less hearts that way.

Y


YES!

Given that the most central cause of Islamic attacks or hatred on the West is.......... WESTERN intervention in Islamic lands. It is quite logical that the efforts by the west to continue to seek geo-political hegemony needs to stop.

And honestly, if our leaders and half of America don't care and think they have the right to control the world, then they deserve all of the hatred and attacks they get. Think about it...

The most recent attack, Paris, was not motivated by western intervention in the middle east but by a cartoon. Western intervention in the middle east is part of it but I think there is more to it, western support of Israel, Israel vs palestine, Arab Israeli wars, Islamic states and Islamic extremism will automatically be opposed to many other systems and countries due to their ideology and more. There are a lot of factors. Also different culture, values, ideology, religion, system of government to western countries and muslim immigration to the west and failure to fit in or assimilate in a foreign culture and country. Then there is the religion itself of Islam which at it's core has an element of extremism which opposes all other systems of religion or government and the goal to create Islamic states with Islamic laws governed by the Quran.

a reply to: ketsuko

You are absolutely right.
As long as Muslims follow radical sects such as Wahhabism which in it's purest form is a violent fundamentalist doctrine that rejects all non-Wahhabi Islam, especially the spiritual forms of Islam.

Wahhabism is an expansionist sect intolerant of Shi'ite Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism.

Wahhabists seek to challenge and destroy these faiths. The Saudi-Wahhabi threat must not be underestimated.
The west is not creating terrorists but the Muslims themselves.
Just as barbaric as the medial ages Muslims are killing each other while their long term agenda is to conquer the world.