Action Hero Liam Neeson on Paris Attack: US Gun Ownership ‘A [Bleeping] Disgrace’

originally posted by: joemoe
So do we really have a Gang Problem or a Gun Problem?

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Considering most gang related violence involves selling drugs, I'd say we have a drug problem compounded by a gun problem.

a reply to: sosobad

I think it is fair to say that all of our "rights" come from our humanity or God (take your pick) by virtue of our creation/birth, but are recognized by our government and with the constitution and bill of rights "enshrined" in the American system of government.

Thus the concept of "Human Rights" being useful and valid internationally despite varying governments policies and laws surrounding those rights.

a reply to: TheArrow

Considering most gang related violence involves selling drugs, I'd say we have a drug problem compounded by a gun problem.

But would you have a drug problem if you didn't have such prohibitive drug laws?

a reply to: Indigo5

Well people born and created in the US.
Seems we think everyone else do not have the same god given rights as we do.
But that is another thread.

a reply to: sosobad

No that's where the other GD piece of paper comes in.

Written by the same people.

The declaration of Independence.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

www.archives.gov...

The constitution was the line in the dirt written that LIMITED government power.

The constitution was a protection from the state, and the people from themselves.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -

a reply to: TheArrow

It only works in Japan because of a homogenous population.
Japan has a long history of social conformity unmatched in world.
Individualism and anti-social behaviors are a rarity.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: TheArrow

It only works in Japan because of a homogenous population.
Japan has a long history of social conformity unmatched in world.
Individualism and anti-social behaviors are a rarity.

Ding ding ding. Very True.

This is why you can't compare the Netherlands or the Swiss in the whole gun debate issue. They have high gun ownership, very low gun crime.

That's because they have little multi-culturalism.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: sosobad

I think it is fair to say that all of our "rights" come from our humanity or God (take your pick) by virtue of our creation/birth, but are recognized by our government and with the constitution and bill of rights "enshrined" in the American system of government.

Thus the concept of "Human Rights" being useful and valid internationally despite varying governments views on the same.

Neo said his rights came from a piece of paper that government wrote, he backed up his statement with a long post outlining why. But he also said to me that his rights didn't come from government, I am trying to clear up what he means because I am sure as # that God didn't descend from the heavens to write the constitution or bill of rights, men wrote it more specifically men from government wrote it. So neo doesn't get his rights from government then shows that he does. I am confused.

a reply to: neo96

It's not a right... It is a privilege disguised as a right...

That privilege can be taken from anyone who misbehaves!

& I support that you deserve that privilege.



The idea of an Amendment is that it can be amended again.

It'd be very difficult to do so...
But not impossible...

That makes it a privilege.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: joemoe
So do we really have a Gang Problem or a Gun Problem?

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Considering most gang related violence involves selling drugs, I'd say we have a drug problem compounded by a gun problem.

If gangs and drugs are the problems, then we should concentrate our efforts on that. I can guarantee there are many laws already on the books that suppose to stop gang members from getting firearms. Making new laws to infringe on the rights of legal firearms owners will do little to stop violence from said group.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: joemoe
So do we really have a Gang Problem or a Gun Problem?

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Considering most gang related violence involves selling drugs, I'd say we have a drug problem compounded by a gun problem.

Sounds more like a criminal culture, not a gun culture.

I wonder who disarmed Japan?

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Gun ownership is not a GD privilege.

Never has been.

It is an inalienable right.

That means people/ government needs to keep their hands off of it.

a reply to: neo96

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -

So this outlines you have the right to be free and happy. Do you think that your Creator made you for the sole purpose of owning a gun?

that all men are created equal

Think about those words the next time you accuse all Muslims of being terrorists.

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I don't like guns - or people that like guns. I think if you wanna kill something or someone you should do it with your bare hands or knives/swords up close and personal - death is death - I don't like how we pretend that defending and/or fighting with guns is any different - but I don't live i that world and I'm okay with that. And so the world turns - I'm learning to be okay with that too.

a reply to: sosobad

Likewise when people talk about gun owners.

Since ALL gun control LAWS lump gun owners as 'Adam Lanza's'.

a reply to: sosobad

that all men are created equal

And then it's up to each person to maintain that equal status right?

How does that work.

originally posted by: Freeborn
But would you have a drug problem if you didn't have such prohibitive drug laws?

Probably not.

I'm all for loosening drug laws, but at the same time, I want tighter gun laws.

I think both are fine to have, in your own home.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: sosobad

Likewise when people talk about gun owners.

Since ALL gun control LAWS lump gun owners as 'Adam Lanza's'.

I don't think there any gun control laws that mention the name Adam Lanza.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Or the fact they have less people living there.

And are one of the 'richest' countries in Europe.

'Swiss bank accounts' .

Can't be compared.

Different demographics.

Different sociopolitical climate.