Either 9/11 Was An Inside Job Or Complete Morons Ran Our Country

Don't forget all the imbeciles who got promoted afterward...instead of canned for dereliction of duty.

a reply to: Swills

This post is just to show you that you can't fool everyone.

But of course you don't have to worry because those of us who truly *get it* are few even on ATS.

This thread is an attempt to paint the US government as incompetent, because that is way better than the truth. That CIA and Mossad organized the entire 9/11 event from the scratch.

This thread is such a cute package, even has Mossad hailing as heroes trying to warn US government. Of course you never heard of *dancing Israelis issue* nah.. not you. You don't believe or know about that stuff.

Anyway, carry on sir, carry on.

No Stand-Down Order

Claim: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11."

FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked—the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes. Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them

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a reply to: Swills

I'll go with moron, but in this case i'll put that label on the guy who was in office 8 years prior to Bush's 2 months...

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
When air traffic controllers have a problem with a plane outside it's flight path, they call NORAD.

You are the one making that claim, it is up to you to back it up - but you seem unable to!

a reply to: hellobruce

...and I rectified it with propaganda.

originally posted by: TryAndStopTheFuture555

This thread is an attempt to paint the US government as incompetent, because that is way better than the truth. That CIA and Mossad organized the entire 9/11 event from the scratch.

This thread is such a cute package, even has Mossad hailing as heroes trying to warn US government. Of course you never heard of *dancing Israelis issue* nah.. not you. You don't believe or know about that stuff.

Anyway, carry on sir, carry on.

After 14 years Occam's Razor really starts to rear its ugly head. On one hand we have this totally incompetent Government and on the other we have this flawless secret Government that never makes mistakes and no matter the difficulty they are perfect even 14 years later.

I'll stay with crazy terrorist that pulled something off that the Government had no clue how easy it would be theory.

Here's the real deal. Oh #!

Yeah, where were they on the day of the attack?

originally posted by: jtrenthacker
I'm going with the morons theory.

It's possible, but seriously doubtful. We have some of the most advanced spy, surveillance, and intelligence systems in the world, and we are allied with those who also have the most advanced ones....

Also, the government isn't that stupid if various military leaders and organizations predicted such attacks as something to guard against and to stage drills regarding.

If our leaders were warned about it through various sources, and such attacks had been foreseen by military analysts, it cannot be pure stupidity. This lends itself to the "allowed it to happen" theory.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: jtrenthacker

Clearly Bush played that role well but I don't believe everyone in charge during the year of 2001 were all complete morons.

It's clear many warnings were blatantly ignored.

Exactly, most people at that level, especially non elected, such as Cheney or Rumsfeld, are uber intelligent. Not all mind you. People can be elected officials and pander to the masses, have the look, be electable, and be dolts. But most of these cabinet kinda people are experts in their fields, hence why they are appointed. It also helps they are good ol' friends of somebody powerful.

Even if Bush truly was an idiot, I guarantee that Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all them are most definitely not.

All I know is how the country is called the homeland now. How the police are militarized. We're still killing people in other countries. The Patriot Act and the NDAA isn't a conspiracy. It's a fact.

I'm going with BOTH! It most definitely was an inside job evidenced by the Bush people not doing anything to effectively stop it. Then simply look how much money the Bush people made! Then trillion plus dollars missing and unaccounted which is a categorical IMPOSSIBILITY. Did the funds just magically transfer with self approval, and automatically disappear with the transaction showing to what account it went to? And does gold that is incredibly dense and heavy just walk away with no security?

It was and still is an inside job, and the people that did these high crimes committed death penalty treason, and they were also TOTAL MORONS for having zero integrity, zero morals, and a propensity to spit on their own country and the American people, and have the GALL to face the nation and give threatening and open statements that people concocting "crazy conspiracy theories" are being anti=American, unpatriotic, and irresponsible. While committing and conspiring in the most devastating act of terrorism against America.

And just for the those who can't wrap their head around an American presidency doing these things against their own country, just look at what other countries do to their own.

I used to support the Bushes before this, but dropped support well before 911 when the Bushes dramatically grew government and it's debts because of their cooperation with big industry, the Rockefeller's, and many others who are a big part in the military industrial complex', and all conspired willingly for all this to happen, most of which were out of the loop, and only knew enough about the operation, that they required to complete their specific job. Just like all black projects do to keep these secret things hidden. The left hand never knows what any other part is doing or even why, and zero paper trail since no one documents those things in a way that any details about the mission will not be discovered, found, or known.

These kinds of ops are exactly how the Bush's had any hope of pulling it off, it was done with the proven techniques of special compartmented information. The 911 commission followed through also, using the time tested method of "creation of pure fiction? just like Blue book, (except for Blue book special report 14.

If telling the truth to Americans by our elected is a taboo for them, then they need to hang to death after judgement by Grand Juries.

Yeah Mr GW, everyone knows. You committed a whopper of a subversive act against your own country, and you wanted all your friends to profit from it and walk away Scot free. (AND THEY ALL DID.)

Follow the money trail if possible. It always passes the lie detector tests and gets right to the heart of the matter.

originally posted by: HUMBLEONE
I pick "C" all of the above. What do you think is gonna happen when this all comes out, and it will? EVIL BASTARDS!

You know, sometimes I wonder if just like other empires, the US will one day be looked back upon for textbook cases of brutality, lies, propaganda, etc.

For example, your average Roman back in the day knew the military was brutal, or justice could be brutal, but they didn't know about most of the elite assassinations, politics, etc. We do now.

Most people in the USSR wouldn't have known about what was really going on in the West, or what Stalin or other leaders were doing, but they probably thought as most ignorant Americans do now, exactly what the news tells them to think. Now we know differently.

originally posted by: aboutface
Failure to act on information is complicity. So the answer to the title's question has to be both.

Yes, at the very least it was professional incompetence, malpractice, etc. And when thousands of lives are at stake, responsibility is required.

originally posted by: Grumble
Are you implying that our born again believer in sky fairies failed to grasp the reality of a situation? Surely not.

Come on now, you are making the logical fallacy that the president actually has that much power. The US government has a massive intelligence and military apparatus that is designed to respond to such problems. Responding to, tracking, and addressing terrorist plots does NOT require a presidential signature, lol.

And, there are countless hyper intelligent people in the intelligence or military agencies. To say "it was just stupidity" or "delusion" is to ignore all of the rest of the people.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Then trillion plus dollars missing and unaccounted which is a categorical IMPOSSIBILITY.

What "trillion plus dollars missing" are you on about. Only truthers claimed money was missing....

And does gold that is incredibly dense and heavy just walk away with no security?

What gold walking away are you on about?

Why do truthers keep bring up the same much debunked nonsense and lies all the time?

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: Swills

What do you mean by "ran"?

No offence, but your current government doesn't strike me as much smarter to be honest.
They are still continuing the policies set in motion back in 2001, no?
They are still waging wars in the wrong countries, for the wrong reasons, with the wrong strategy.

I think you may be wrong here.

I am against most US foreign policy, from Iraq to Syria. But that is purely on ethical grounds.

The US government is NOT in the wrong countries or wrong wars if you look at all said actions through the lens of retaining and solidifying geo-political hegemony over the world. That includes needing to redefine the MIddle East and knock out all remaining proxies of enemies such as Russia (Syria, Libya, Iran, former Ukraine leader, etc). One big chess game.

a reply to: hellobruce

What "trillion plus dollars missing" are you on about. Only truthers claimed money was missing....

This 2.3 Trillion Dollars