I give you rare look into Russian intellectuals talk "How to hit USA"

originally posted by: Son of Will
Maybe I should just get it over with, and start learning Russian

Yeah Russian banks failing, the Ruble devalued by 50% ... things re looking rosy.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes no doubt, the sanctions hurt. But things aren't always as they appear on the surface.
Listen to this podcast feat. Paul Craig Roberts, brought to my attention by a fellow ATSer (I think it was "the2ofusare1") :
Link
It's 18 minutes, and you can skip to 50 seconds in to pass the ads.

Russia has quite a few trump cards up her sleeve. (I'm sure the US/NATO axis has a set of their own "black swans", but for the current argument it's important to recognize that Russia does too)

a reply to: Son of Will

The2ofusrone is a Putin apologist and if Putin poisoned 95% of Russia he'd spin it as the morally correct option. The truth is Russia itself is saying things are very bad.

a reply to: Son of Will

I just read what he has to say. Man is a fool and completely wrong.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Either Russia uses it's nukes before the Missile Shield is ramped up enough to handle a massive first wave, or it loses the nuclear option for the most part (subs off the NY coast = close to unstoppable.

Sure the missile shield is 20-40 years away from that capability...but it's coming. Next time you talk to your PhD buddies in Moscow remind them of this.

There is no such thing as technology that can not be countered. Russians a while ago started collaborating with China to develop counter to missile shield. Serious money goes into stuff like that.

originally posted by: FutureWithoutFuture4

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
Either Russia uses it's nukes before the Missile Shield is ramped up enough to handle a massive first wave, or it loses the nuclear option for the most part (subs off the NY coast = close to unstoppable.

Sure the missile shield is 20-40 years away from that capability...but it's coming. Next time you talk to your PhD buddies in Moscow remind them of this.

There is no such thing as technology that can not be countered. Russians a while ago started collaborating with China to develop counter to missile shield. Serious money goes into stuff like that.

America is starting to deploy nuclear powered FEL lasers. Probably be a while before there is a counter to something that attacks missiles at the speed of light.

originally posted by: lindalinda
Questions for OP:

First, these may be PhDs and intellectuals, but do they have any real power? There are plenty of intellectuals in the West with all kinds of ideas but that doesn't mean they can make anything happen.

Second, are you familiar with the secrets and prophecies of Fatima and Garabandal? I'm sure 90% of my readers immediately branded me as a kook, but the miracle of the sun was witnessed by some 70,000 people, including many atheists. I'm not even Catholic but I find these events intriguing.

The prophecies relate to Russia and warn that, unless certain things are done which haven't been done, there will be catastrophes and entire nations will be annihilated. It's always about Russia "spreading her errors" to the world.

Do you know about Fatima and do you have an opinion?

Intellectuals I talk to do not really have power except when government calls them to consult temporarily.

Even so their opinions are common among those who work directly for the government.

As for prophecies of Fatima, as a Christian you should know that I am not only aware of it but believe in it, because they already happened. Russia is today a Christian nation, in Russia people consider themselves far more Christian and view Western Christianity as Watered-Down or corrupted.

The fact that communism is gone and replaced by democratic Christianity (despite what west would have us believe), proves that Fatima's warning was taken and listened to.

Fatima averted WW3

Now, we are going to need a miracle to avert WW3 again. But this time, miracle might be needed for US government.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
The US would not go nuclear, we would go conventional and destroy Russia.

Maybe there should be a camp C, stop fighting the West and join the rest of civilization. Be a beacon of freedom and democracy. Humiliate the US with how the Russian people are more free, and more democratic.

You are a bit laughable

So if US went conventional, Russia would have no choice but to go nuclear. I mean what the heck are you talking about?

Russia already has multi multi party democratic system, so who should Russia join exactly ?

You know why people like you claim Russia has no democracy ?

Because they vote for guys like Putin who you can't stand, he makes your job of world takeover more complicated.

Thus, Russia should shut up and get democracy ..right ?!?

I'll tell you how he could get in the US - only as a fugitive from anti-semitism, by the way tsarnaevy too. Say you set fire to the door of apartment and showed a photo at the embassy? or only verbally told about the horrors of life in Russia? and why you went to the US rather than historical? simple question you goy? Write yes, goy (they never say yes, will spin like a snake in a skillet come up with a million excuses never say yes I goy) By the way, I Goy

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

The2ofusrone is a Putin apologist and if Putin poisoned 95% of Russia he'd spin it as the morally correct option. The truth is Russia itself is saying things are very bad.

So if you label someone as Putin Apologist, then someone like me should be able to label you as, US Neocon Warmonger Apologist.

Is your last name McCain.

originally posted by: FutureWithoutFuture4
You are a bit laughable

So if US went conventional, Russia would have no choice but to go nuclear. I mean what the heck are you talking about?

The question is what are YOU talking about. I never stated that, at all, in he slightest.

Russia already has multi multi party democratic system, so who should Russia join exactly ?

Russia also loves to invade their neighbors and do everything possible to hurt Europe and the US. They are stuck in the Cold War zero sum mentality.

You know why people like you claim Russia has no democracy ?

Because they vote for guys like Putin who you can't stand, he makes your job of world takeover more complicated.

Thus, Russia should shut up and get democracy ..right ?!?

Or you could actually read what I said. You don't seem to want to do that though, or your English is extremely poor and not your first language which is excusable.

originally posted by: FutureWithoutFuture4

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

The2ofusrone is a Putin apologist and if Putin poisoned 95% of Russia he'd spin it as the morally correct option. The truth is Russia itself is saying things are very bad.

So if you label someone as Putin Apologist, then someone like me should be able to label you as, US Neocon Warmonger Apologist.

Is your last name McCain.

Yes, you could, you would be a fool to do so, but you could. Apparently being unhappy about Russia INVADING and starting a WAR makes someone a warmonger.

Only on ATS.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

Yeah Russian banks failing, the Ruble devalued by 50% ... things re looking rosy.

You seem to be gloating over the fact that US is waging war on Russian currency and economy. Even if it was true that Russia took over Crimea by force against the will of Crimean people.

Even if it was true.

You think anyone will believe that US is waging economic war against Russia because US cares for lives of Crimean people.

I am not saying don't "GLOAT" but be careful, Russia may surprise you yet. They see themselves as underdogs with a just cause and I can tell you they are determined to win this in the long run.

You know

Russia is not an Arab nation....

originally posted by: mangust69
I'll tell you how he could get in the US - only as a fugitive from anti-semitism, by the way tsarnaevy too. Say you set fire to the door of apartment and showed a photo at the embassy? or only verbally told about the horrors of life in Russia? and why you went to the US rather than historical? simple question you goy? Write yes, goy (they never say yes, will spin like a snake in a skillet come up with a million excuses never say yes I goy) By the way, I Goy

I already stated my family is Christian.

What you are referring to is Russian Jews immigrating to Israel on basis of hate and things like that.

I am off to a small vacation, see ya folks.

See you OccamsRazor

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Maybe there should be a camp C, stop fighting the West and join the rest of civilization. Be a beacon of freedom and democracy. Humiliate the US with how the Russian people are more free, and more democratic.

Not gonna happen...at least not with the current president and his way of thinking.

a reply to: FutureWithoutFuture4

You seem to be gloating over the fact that US is waging war on Russian currency and economy.

Easy way to fix that...Remove his troops and quit sending them and military equipment to Ukraine.

Putin knows this yet he just doesn't care.

originally posted by: FutureWithoutFuture4
You seem to be gloating over the fact that US is waging war on Russian currency and economy. Even if it was true that Russia took over Crimea by force against the will of Crimean people.

You seem to be able to read minds, but not be able to read. The US has nothing to do with it, Saudi Arabia is responsible.

Even if it was true.

You think anyone will believe that US is waging economic war against Russia because US cares for lives of Crimean people.

I am not saying don't "GLOAT" but be careful, Russia may surprise you yet. They see themselves as underdogs with a just cause and I can tell you they are determined to win this in the long run.

You know

Russia is not an Arab nation....

No, Russia is getting their entire economy destroyed by an Arab nation though. Russia has been aggressive and tried to harm others for too long, it's come back to bite them in the ass.

Any time the US and it's allies wanted to do something one way Russia would automatically back the other way. Any enemy of the West, Russia made it's friend. Rather than seeking to join the world after the Cold War they kept up Cold War mentality.

They are now paying the price for that, and for their siding with Syria and making enemies of powerful Arab states like the Saudi's.

a reply to: FutureWithoutFuture4

Russia already has multi multi party democratic system, so who should Russia join exactly ?

How democratic can they be when you have the same two people running the country for almost two decades?

You know why people like you claim Russia has no democracy

Because they don't. If this were 1991 then I would agree they were a democratic society , but that ended as soon as Putin took office.

Thus, Russia should shut up and get democracy ..right ?!?

Well it's either that or live like they have since 1999 when Putin took over, and haven't you wondered why there was only 2 different presidents since 99?

a reply to: FutureWithoutFuture4

Even if it was true that Russia took over Crimea by force against the will of Crimean people.

There is no if...It actually happened.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Sacrifice? Oh please, what a stupid, fallible way. There is a simple solution, it is called the 'one child policy'.
If everyone only were to breed one child, the population would be cut in half within a few decades.
This would be a natural and painless way to reduce the population. And there are so many benefits to the parents and for the whole ecological system of earth. Now, you have to remember that a western child uses hundreds if not thousands times the resources in it's life time than an Indian child uses. So this message really applies to western woman as well. With a one child policy, man and women get:

-increased leisure time
-increased individual freedom
-increased time for her own mental progression
-increased financial freedom and money to spent on things which they love


With all of this, even the child can have a much better upbringing.

To answer your question on why I 'deserve' to be a part of this 500 million:
I don't see why I should be concerned over the fact whether or not I will deserve to be a part of this ideological 500 million. Why should I and everyone else be so focused on their own welfare, and not on the welfare of the nature and earth? That is my real concern.