MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way

a reply to: ghostrager I agree with your article completely. I am one of the unfortunate men that has to pay alimony and support to my ex. Even though our daughter was already out of the house when we got divorced. The judge said I had to pay 25% of my monthly income + $200.00. Now that hurts a lot that is $658.00 a month. But the kicker is I have to pay it to her until she either remarries, which is unlikely. Or I die. To me this is involuntary servitude.

Honestly, i couldnt laugh any harder! The MRA's have truly bedded down on this site and are spreading disinformation at every opportunity.
The idea that men, like yourselves, can blame all their current woes on women is just ignorant. Truely.

And still, i have yet to speak to a member of the MRA movement that can give me a proper, logical breakdown as to what has been taken from them that is considered their "right"
I am hoping you can help with the above,
Sincerely, a female poster who often gets called a feminist because i call BS on the mens right movement.

I am not a member of the Men's Rights Movement. I am actually quite optimistic. Here is a link to a nine page thread I wrote offering a real solution. It starts out slow, talking about science and genius, but a few pages in I get to the real world examples of loving couples who are doing amazing things together.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The thread was not well received. My participation in this current thread is nothing more than a last warning. People are picking sides and turning farther away from the real solution. Who ever is the pilot of modern society seems hell bent on flying right into Sparagmos mountain.


Mike Grouchy

For the hand that rocks the cradle
Is the hand that rules the world.

a reply to: ghostrager

Good! More women for me.

originally posted by: Ceeker63
a reply to: ghostrager I agree with your article completely. I am one of the unfortunate men that has to pay alimony and support to my ex. Even though our daughter was already out of the house when we got divorced. The judge said I had to pay 25% of my monthly income + $200.00. Now that hurts a lot that is $658.00 a month. But the kicker is I have to pay it to her until she either remarries, which is unlikely. Or I die. To me this is involuntary servitude.

What are you paying for. Your Daughter or your wife?? If the ex wife why are you responsible for keeping her. is she incapable of working ?

originally posted by: visitedbythem
I have the answer for you all. It was rendered from the most brilliant wise king that ever walked ther face of our planet.

Are You ready?

Here it is....
while I was still searching but not finding-- I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.

King Soloman

What else would you expect from a misogynist religion like Xtianity? Read the writings of the early church "fathers" like Tertullian and others. They hated the female gender. And these men are revered by many a xtain.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

What are you paying for. Your Daughter or your wife?? If the ex wife why are you responsible for keeping her. is she incapable of working ?

They don't necessarily have to be incapable of working and/or supporting themselves. There are other factors involved. One would be the maintenance of the lifestyle she was accustomed to living. Longevity of marriage also factors in. Though in some cases, I have heard of the judge ordering alimony with little to no cause, whatsoever. Just because it was asked for.

double post

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
For the hand that rocks the cradle
Is the hand that rules the world.

Very true Storm, unfortunately not many women these days have wanting to nurture children.

Most of them are in the corporate world competing with men, so who is there to rock the cradle?

The ones that do hold their families together have my utmost respect and attention, because they are truly the rulers of a stable world.

Even as a woman, it's easy to see why marriage is a dangerous gamble for men these days.

Familial courts often side with women so the following usually happens:
1) Women usually get custody of offspring
2) Men usually get stuck paying child-support or alimony
3) All a woman has to do to ruin a man's reputation is claim rape or abuse.

The amount of power women hold over men in today's society is truly staggering.

I want things to be equal. I want to see more WOMEN who have to pay child support, more custody cases in the father's favor, less inclination to call any approach by man some form of rape, abuse, or harassment.

Most of all, I REALLY want women in general to stop with the crocodile tears every time something so much as inconveniences them.

originally posted by: Expat888
a reply to: SearchLightsInc

Yaaawwwwnnn.. figured would hear the same drivel spouted that your type are so fond of spouting .. dont worry dearie theres still plenty of men to believe the rubbish you peddle .. and still many stupid enough to marry one with the attitude problem you have...
Also .. I neve have and never would date married women .. and was loyal to all my wives .. its called honour something people today lack.

As to societies problems .. after a lifetime patching people up in warzones around the world I dont give a tinkers damn in hell about so-called society .. let it all burn .. the entire thing needs a reset. nations.. governments.. leaders .. come and go .. at the end of the day none of it means a damn thing .. damn sure none of it worth throwing my life away fighting or dying for .. used to care .. but these days .. meh the world can go to hell ..

Not really sure what you mean by "my type" but I'll leave the conversation between us two with this: I have read your posts on both thread and countless others and my judgement of your character based on those posts is that you are someone who likes to make outlandish claims about his personal life so you can support your beliefs about the world around you. You genuinely think you're a victim and even act that you are persecuted JUST for being a man. It seems as though every issue you have can be related back to someone else who 95% of the time turns out to be female.

I don't think you bring anything to any debate you enter, you just bang the drums of war mindlessly because you can't be assed with facts and reasoning.

Goodbye.

a reply to: SearchLightsInc

What I've stated is that their blaming their ills on feminism and it's blatantly ignorant.
Yes there is a issue with the court system in America and men are getting screwed when it comes to divorces and seperation but please inform me how whining on an Internet forum and blaming it all on feminism while also stating that "men are going there own way" - explain to me, how is that going to help anything or anyone?

Blaming ills on feminism is not in the slightest being ignorant. I'd encourage you to read my post on page 10 that describes the propaganda vs facts that feminist have pushed.

Men are being bombarded with nationwide ad campaigns in regards to topics like domestic violence campaigns that only show battered women and violent men. When you look at real facts, and not the propaganda, everything becomes a bit more clear that the statistics feminist organizations use to get laws enacted are skewed, bias, and flat out sexist. Feminism has turned real problems that all people face into gender issues.

And watch the video that I placed at the end of the post on Erin Pizzey. She opened the first modern shelter in the world for battered women. If you listen to the whole video, she will tell you what feminism is about.

a reply to: undo

I ran across this video nd thought you might like it. It touches on your bit about this being a socialist agenda;

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

The amount of power women hold over men in today's society is truly staggering.

I want things to be equal. I want to see more WOMEN who have to pay child support, more custody cases in the father's favor, less inclination to call any approach by man some form of rape, abuse, or harassment.

Most of all, I REALLY want women in general to stop with the crocodile tears every time something so much as inconveniences them.

I am not sure people are really aware that the situation you described is specific to the US. (and I agree, it is screwed up).

I cannot speak for many other countries, I am familiar with the situation in France (though many of the northern countries seem to be similar, from what I have heard). In divorces, the law automatically gives joint custody (50-50 time spent with each parent, each week), unless a specific demand is made, then the court is still obligated to do whatever it can to keep it joint.

Child support is not automatically necessary (most divorces made by mutual demand, they can work out how they want to do things themself), but if there is a conflict and a court order is necessary, it is the parent who has the higher salary that pays- regardless of gender.

Alimony is rarely done, but if it is judged necessary, it is usually in one payment (again, not necessarily one gender- it all depends upon the incomes and circumstances) and in some rare cases, payments can be made, but only for a maximum of 8 years. (and the payments are much lower than in the US).

I just see much less conflicts between people who divorce here. People just act less hostile in break ups, and I don't know why. One of my best friends divorced her husband ten years ago, they still share custody of their kids (the kids spend half the week with each) and she pays the totality of his rent- even thought he is with another woman now, with whom he has another child. She doesn't complain though. This was not court ordered, they just came to an agreement together and kept it. (she makes more money than he).

I keep wondering if the PTB don't try to incite and aggravate the battle sexes in the US?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Even as a woman, it's easy to see why marriage is a dangerous gamble for men these days.

Familial courts often side with women so the following usually happens:
1) Women usually get custody of offspring
2) Men usually get stuck paying child-support or alimony
3) All a woman has to do to ruin a man's reputation is claim rape or abuse.

The amount of power women hold over men in today's society is truly staggering.

I want things to be equal. I want to see more WOMEN who have to pay child support, more custody cases in the father's favor, less inclination to call any approach by man some form of rape, abuse, or harassment.

Most of all, I REALLY want women in general to stop with the crocodile tears every time something so much as inconveniences them.

I think it goes both ways depends on who is the true ass in the situation. I have had 5 male friends live's ruined by what you suggest above. Not only did they pay child support but the kids got propaganda from their mom for the rest of their childhood on how bad their dad was, making them hate their dad for no reason at all.

On the other hand it is much easier for guys to.

1. Hide money.
2. Make it extremely difficult to split assets in a fair way.

I know of cases where the Hubby just expected the wife to leave with a suitcase.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

3) All a woman has to do to ruin a man's reputation is claim rape or abuse.

Yup. All I did to end up spending six months in county jail was grab my ex by the wrists to make her stop hitting me. She told the police I was shoving her around and grabbed her to keep her from leaving, which was way beyond BS.

Lots of bitching n whinging in this thread, thanks for the entertainment.
As a happy single male I have chuckled at all the blokes blaming women for their problems. Some women of course, as some men are pricks, but an entire gender? Get a life lads, farm the land you've got and stop looking to blame women for your victim mentality.

...or actually, please do carry on whinging and 'going your own way' if you wish, less competition for the rest of us if you're hiding away at home complaining on the internet lol.

a reply to: grainofsand

I don't think the intent of the OP was to blame women for men's woes.

Rather, he posited that many men in the MGTOW movement do so simply because it does not make statistical or financial sense to get married in today's society.

Which is something I actually agree with, at least in the U.S. before I left getting married for men many times ended up being financial suicide.

It's not so bad here in Japan, but the "MGTOW" movement here is more a cultural thing. You have men (and women) choosing to be hikikomori, and women who have always had a history of just waiting until someone confesses to them. Often women aren't the pursuers here, and with the prevalence of "dating sims" (for both men and women), hentai doujin, and the increasing tendency for people to communicate digitally rather than face-to-face... Well, you add up all these factors and you have a lot of people just NOT dating. Men and women alike. Neither really blames the other here, though.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun
Fair enough.
My ex-wife of over a decade (and the mother of my late teen son) is my most trusted friend. We only split because we married young and when we stopped raving/doing ecstasy/MDMA on the arrival of our son we realised we had little shared interests and it wasn't going to work. We played best of three poker to decide who was the petitioner for the divorce (I lost lol) then just £50 to the court for the forms which we completed ourselves. Sold the house, paid the loans off and went 50/50 with the profit.
My son has been half the week with me and half the week with his mother since the age of two. It has never even been that formal though and it changed as each week has it's own requirements. We've watched him play every rugby match together over the years, school sports days, and parent evenings, all as parents, together.
Christmas and birthday presents have always been shared costs between us, and from both of us so no "Dad's present is better than Mam's" BS ever, school uniform/trips/fees/blah, all shared, and no maintenance/alimony between either of us as we both provided the same for our son, just two locations, one family.

I am not at all attracted to being in a relationship right now as I love my freedom, but it is certainly not because I think as a male I am somehow more vulnerable than females...maybe I my perspective is more positive because I dealt with a reasonable woman...or maybe my efforts to find a reasonable solution paid off...who knows, I'm sure if more people ditched the bitterness then they'd have more chance of finding a reasonable outcome - Blame the lawyers?