Creationist Quackery, Part 150, 001 : Creationists Say Aliens Don't Exist, So Let's Stop Looking!

a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm on - at any time. The other party - well, I don't think we'll be seeing much of borntowatch.

And given the comments of borntowatch, I will only debate in the debate forum with an independent moderator. If that moderator determines that my statements are out of line, I will freely withdraw them. I have no problem with the official rules of debate.

We'll see if the other party shows up.

Why do you think the 'evolution side of the debate' gives a flung fewmet about the search for extraterrestrial life? Just curious.

Well if we( earth) is the only place that life exist ,it would make earth a very special place ,wouldnt it ? a reply to: Astyanax

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: borntowatch

You're weaseling your way out of a discussion of evolution because you know you have no objective evidence. Your "evidence" boils down to opinion with no experimental data.

Once again, the challenge is open. If you have evidence or even an opinion with partial evidence, let's see it.

and you are welcome to believe what ever you want

Please understand I have no evidence for God, I have faith in God.
its not my position to prove God by science, it cant be done.

its your position to prove what you believe, evolution, thats was the debate

If you think or imply I dont believe in science then God bless you, but dont waste your time pissing in my pocket

There is no weasling, I have been open clear and honest, you are not worth the time and effort I have to commit to a debate with some one who cant comprehend simple English.
Yes I could butter my words and say things in a nicer way but i dont think you would comprehend what I am saying or respect it

I dont respect you enough to debate you, I dont respect your intellect, your sincerity. You want to prove yourself, its not about you its about science and its implications.







Really...... is that the best you atheists have got, a person who attacks an individual rather than relying on scientific evidence...seriously

a reply to: borntowatch

Weasel.

And I'm not an atheist.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm on - at any time. The other party - well, I don't think we'll be seeing much of borntowatch.

And given the comments of borntowatch, I will only debate in the debate forum with an independent moderator. If that moderator determines that my statements are out of line, I will freely withdraw them. I have no problem with the official rules of debate.

We'll see if the other party shows up.

I dont respect you, you think this debate is about proving yourself.


Sadly there are very few atheists I respect on this site, I wont argue against an individual, only a concept an individual can bring to the table, then we can argue that concept.
If you cant understand what I am saying or comprehend it, ask an adult to explain what I am saying...

a reply to: borntowatch

"Really...... is that the best you atheists have got, a person who attacks an individual rather than relying on scientific evidence...seriously "

Ready for your evidence - any time. I've presented scientific evidence both in this thread and others.

Bottom line - you're scared to death of a debate.

a reply to: borntowatch

No - I think a debate would be about evolution and the science associated with it. A topic which you clearly refuse to discuss, much less debate.

And I understand perfectly well what you're saying. You're saying you're scared to death to debate with a real scientist (which I am) and prefer to launch tirades to satisfy your ego.

Scared to death.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: borntowatch

Weasel.

Oh dear me, am wounded mortally to my soul

and you wonder why i wont debate you...seriously

originally posted by: dusty1

I actually open both eyes a little bit, and see that the universe appears to be designed.

Why do you suggest it is by intelligent design? Every time I read about intelligent design I get this mental image of a video I watched with two guys peeling a banana suggesting that God made the banana to fit our hands and so that was proof of design.

The universe does follow laws, even the chemical reaction of life follows laws, but it is also suggested that there are infinite universes with infinite number of types. Some like ours could last for 50 billion years and support life, some blink in and out of existence in a scientific jiffy.

We all are the center of the universe as each of us see it. Being the center it is common ideal that each of us is special, that everything will happen in each of our life times, the Rapture will happen, an asteroid will hit, first contact, Yellow Stone will blow...etc When the reality of the if or when can be never or give or take 70 million years, but it is common view that we all think we are so special this will all happen while we are alive. We are so special that God made a whole universe just for us.....hmmmm

We also have the luxury of looking from the present to the past and we see linear lines and say, See intelligent design! But if one actually looked from the past forward one would see an unlimited number of directions that happen to get to us, but could have gone any other way too.

This will be my last post here because enough is enough.

You dont care about science, its a trap many atheists or what ever you are fall in to

YOUare only trying to prove how manly, right YOU are

I am not asking for you to beat your chest, display your feathers, be the atheists hero, the new Dawkins.

You cant even understand my position and I cant be bothered explaining it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Why do you suggest it is by intelligent design? Every time I read about intelligent design I get this mental image of a video I watched with two guys peeling a banana suggesting that God made the banana to fit our hands and so that was proof of design.

So I lied about the previous post being my last post

You know that video was a joke....right? A bit of fun?

a reply to: borntowatch

Weasel. You're scared to death of a debate on the topic.

Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

a reply to: borntowatch

Oh please does this mean you will not comment on evolution ever again..
Please stick to your old book and leave what you have no clue about to the people who do.
Barcs krazy for example.

originally posted by: borntowatch
This will be my last post here because enough is enough.

You dont care about science, its a trap many atheists or what ever you are fall in to

YOUare only trying to prove how manly, right YOU are

I am not asking for you to beat your chest, display your feathers, be the atheists hero, the new Dawkins.

You cant even understand my position and I cant be bothered explaining it.

I often wonder why do many religious people seem to always debate the "how" and not just the "why"? The how is really not important for if one has faith then any "how" is God's creation. Whether he did it as a magic act with, POOF, Adam and Eve appeared, or he started a 5 billion year process and we happened, both would be by his design, would it not? Personally, if there is a God that created all this then I would think that since he created the universe, and the laws of the universe too, he would follow those laws in a logical sense. Science is all about the "how" and faith is all about the "why". This is why every time the two meet it ends up with everyone frustrated on both sides since it seems that the religious side wants to explain the "how" too, but have nothing but faith to explain it. One the other hand I do not see the other side debating the "why", and so leave that up to the religious to explain.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Why do you suggest it is by intelligent design? Every time I read about intelligent design I get this mental image of a video I watched with two guys peeling a banana suggesting that God made the banana to fit our hands and so that was proof of design.

So I lied about the previous post being my last post

You know that video was a joke....right? A bit of fun?

I do understand, but the concept is the same that we look for connections and make those connections in our head when randomness is more likely the situation. Its like seeing images in clouds, our brains do this all the time in everything we do.

originally posted by: Xtrozero


I often wonder why do many religious people seem to always debate the "how" and not just the "why"? The how is really not important for if one has faith then any "how" is God's creation. Whether he did it as a magic act with, POOF, Adam and Eve appeared, or he started a 5 billion year process and we happened, both would be by his design, would it not? Personally, if there is a God that created all this then I would think that since he created the universe, and the laws of the universe too, he would follow those laws in a logical sense. Science is all about the "how" and faith is all about the "why". This is why every time the two meet it ends up with everyone frustrated on both sides since it seems that the religious side wants to explain the "how" too, but have nothing but faith to explain it. One the other hand I do not see the other side debating the "why", and so leave that up to the religious to explain.

Funny how you left out the fact i wanted to debate the science
I often wonder why atheists and those who disagree always want to make it about religion and I want to make it about science

Its not about God, you and me, its about science and its validity in respect to the issue, when you and others work that out then get back to me

In thinking a bit on the subject of evolution I would like to ask a few questions ,mainly to possibly understand the theory and to establish in my own mind what you may mean by debunking the theory . I am not sure what kind of numbers it would take but in your mind ,how many points would it take to disprove ?

I think it was Einstein that said he could have 1000 reasons why he might be correct but all I would need is one reason why he was not . Is that the case with evolution ? Or could it be a straw man where you would need to pull out many straws before it no longer resembles a man any more, and there for, not a viable theory? Where does the theory have it's first objective fact or does it start with a presupposition that has a counter part ?

If the theory is only to give one group a philosophical world view as a counter to the other for comfort then I can understand the need for it . That is the thing that is crucial in science, is the need . Does science need the theory of evolution ? Has it produced any products ,ie lights buzzers or is it only trinkets that come from this field ?

Is the study in the metaphysical a legitimate science ? Can it satisfy the need of the individual or group that gives them a philosophical world view that we all seem to need ? Science to my knowledge has not yet shown with objective facts that the me consciousnesses exist but I don't have a need to know it objectively but I cant deny it subjectively . Is objectivity and subjectivity on equal footing or does on have a higher value ?

We as humans are a very complex item .Is evolution as complex or is it a simple fact based on many complex things? Can there be any room for Occam in such a debate ? Personally , God is Occam's approach for me .No need for rocket science or for science at all .In fact ,is science is always changing and God is not then I have no need to protect the philosophical world view ,or tear down anyone else s .No need for the survival of the fittest but a opportunity to share in the experience we call life .

a reply to: Phantom423

And I understand perfectly well what you're saying. You're saying you're scared to death to debate with a real scientist (which I am)

Hi Phantom,

What is your field?

a reply to: dusty1

Ph.D. Chemistry/Physics Cal Tech

a reply to: Xtrozero

Why do you suggest it is by intelligent design? Every time I read about intelligent design I get this mental image of a video I watched with two guys peeling a banana suggesting that God made the banana to fit our hands and so that was proof of design.

Honestly every time I think of evolution I think of a giraffe who can't reach a piece of fruit. Somehow evolution on a microscopic level understands the problem and alters the giraffe.

The universe does follow laws, even the chemical reaction of life follows laws, but it is also suggested that there are infinite universes with infinite number of types. Some like ours could last for 50 billion years and support life, some blink in and out of existence in a scientific jiffy.

A fine tuned universe either supports an Engineer or the only other explanation is multiverses. I just believe that design is the logical answer.

but it is common view that we all think we are so special this will all happen while we are alive. We are so special that God made a whole universe just for us.....hmmmm

The earth is special, as of yet there is no evidence otherwise.

What did the recent Planck Satellite data show?

I love science fiction, because of it we are all conditioned to believe that we can warp to other planets and find life.

if one actually looked from the past forward one would see an unlimited number of directions that happen to get to us, but could have gone any other way too.

The pattern I see in our world is that artists, engineers and inventors, come up with new ideas or build upon old ones. It first starts with an imaginative thought. Then they figure out a way to make it become reality.

Critics and reviewers, often have little to no creativity of their own, but will pick apart the work. They would not have even thought of, let's say a smartphone, until it was invented. Now it is taken for granted and criticized or plagiarized.

I believe creative ideas are what create new pathways.