Country's IQ ranking decides condition within, fact!

Simply put low average IQ = hell-hole

Ok this topic is going to be like a hot potato to handle but is worth pondering.

Remember how the media keeps promoting "we are all the same" well I'm not sure about that when I was growing up my parents never withheld truth from me and one of the things they told me is that humans were never all the same and never will be to the end of time. In wealth, intellect, good looks, sporting ability, artistic ability, innovative capacity and the potential to do any of those things humans vary greatly....simply we are not the same and this is plain for anyone with eyes to see.

Now to the hot topic at hand, I came across ranking by country of average IQ in numerical order ranging from highest to lowest some of which is reproduced below however the complete list is too large to be completely presented so a link is provided.

As I went down the list I noticed the condition the people live in becomes increasingly desperate as IQ drops, the country's at the very bottom of the list are all in need of outside help in terms of donations and development.

Mali 74
Namibia 74
Ghana 73
Tanzania 72
Central African Republic 71
Grenada 71
Jamaica 71
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 71
Sudan 71
Antigua and Barbuda 70
Benin 70
Botswana 70
Rwanda 70
Togo 70
Burundi 69
Cote d'Ivoire 69
Ethiopia 69
Malawi 69
Niger 69
Angola 68
Burkina Faso 68
Chad 68
Djibouti 68
Somalia 68
Swaziland 68
Dominica 67
Guinea 67
Guinea-Bissau 67
Haiti 67
Lesotho 67
Liberia 67
Saint Kitts and Nevis 67
Sao Tome and Principe 67
Gambia, The 66
Cameroon 64
Gabon 64
Mozambique 64
Saint Lucia 62
Equatorial Guinea 59

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You will note that all the people at the bottom of the list would and do risk their lives to get into all those country's at the top of the list.

IQ is hereditary, genetic and fixed. It is true that if you study IQ tests you can increase your score by perhaps 10 points however you are then not "average"

Can we ignore the fact that all these country's that are in a mess are populated by peoples with low IQ, told you it was a hot topic!

Secondly as IQ is hereditary what happens to the average IQ of a country if you flood it with immigrants from country's at the bottom of the list. Well the answer to that question is obviously average IQ in those country's will start to drop. We can therefore predict average IQ in all western country's to drop and as this happens the condition in these country's will deteriorate, this is evident from the list.

"Dumb and dumber? Evidence suggests the IQs of people in the UK, Denmark and Australia have declined in the last decade. A study by the University of Hartford claims the larger the global population becomes, the less intelligent we will be, dropping by around eight IQ points by the year 2110 - and other estimates are even more pessimistic"

www.dailymail.co.uk...

"Nyborg’s latest paper charts past trends and projects IQ changes in Denmark as a result of two trends: relaxation of natural selection among the traditional Danes, and an influx of low-IQ immigrants. These two trends together amount to what he terms a “double relaxation of natural selection” (DRNS). Relying on Richard Lynn’s work Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations, the relaxation of internal selection is thought to have begun around 1850 as the fertility of the lower classes exceeded the upper classes because of improvements in hygiene and reduction in diseases. He cites Lynn’s estimate that England lost 6.9 IQ points over 90 years (1920-2010) and estimates that Denmark’s average IQ dropped around 10 points since 1850 due to internal relaxation of natural selection."

www.theoccidentalobserver.net...

a reply to: rowanflame

I had to laugh when I saw North Korea as "NA".

The problem I see here is that this is a pretty broad brush type of survey. Every country has their bright people and those lower on the IQ scale.

Many countries also actively recruit from other countries for the "Best and Brightest" in their fields.

a reply to: rowanflame

Wow... just wow

This kind of National/group IQ testing has been illegitimate in science for the past 50 years or so. Why? Because it's the same exact test administered to all participants regardless of exposure to the concepts tested. The only real result to be gained from this is that these poorer countries haven't been exposed to western math, logic or culture.

By the way you should do a little research on Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhannen.

I knew the Daily Mail was low but damn this is setting the bar. Has UKIP completely taken it over?

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: rowanflame

I had to laugh when I saw North Korea as "NA".

The problem I see here is that this is a pretty broad brush type of survey. Every country has their bright people and those lower on the IQ scale.

Many countries also actively recruit from other countries for the "Best and Brightest" in their fields.

I assume the NA status for North Korea is probably because they wont allow testing to occur and therefore cannot be included in the ranking system but we would assume north and south would have the same ranking.

"Average" IQ means exactly that ie the majority, it is expected that there will be within each country those below and above their national average however it is the majority which decides the condition a country will be in.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: rowanflame

Wow... just wow

This kind of National/group IQ testing has been illegitimate in science for the past 50 years or so. Why? Because it's the same exact test administered to all participants regardless of exposure to the concepts tested. The only real result to be gained from this is that these poorer countries haven't been exposed to western math, logic or culture.

By the way you should do a little research on Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhannen.

I knew the Daily Mail was low but damn this is setting the bar. Has UKIP completely taken it over?

Spot on Kali.

For the folks who live in some of the most inhospitable places on the planet, their IQs are higher in an understanding of nature, how to survive the elements, how to hunt, etc. Take the same two males, one from the US (or anywhere else) with a 120+ IQ, and one from the Amazon with a "tested" 70 or so IQ, put them both in the jungle together and you'll see who has the higher IQ at that point. A shaman of the Amazon may know the difference between 1000 different herbs and their potential combinations, and could survive indefinitely. All it would take is for the 120+ IQ guy to pick one wrong mushroom when they are starving and that's the end. IQ won't mean anything to him at that point, he will be depending on the IQ of the bushman.

One standardized test to measure intelligence across an entire species of humans is ridiculous. There are medicine men in tribes that know more about medicine and homeopathy than most doctors in their profession... but if you were to use the same measuring stick (an IQ test) for both, you wouldn't give the medicine man a second thought.

The countries on the list above that show a correlation between IQ and poorer countries doesn't take into account that the people who run those countries likely have much higher IQs than the general population, and that they intentionally want to keep the populace dumbed down, so it's very misleading to relate the cause of their poverty to a lower IQ of the population. History has shown that if you can educate or inform the masses, things change rather quickly.

~Namaste

a reply to: Kali74

Actually Raven's Progressive Matrices on which I understand these tests were conducted was chosen precisely to avoid your conjecture ie its picture based and beyond language, culture etc

originally posted by: SonOfTheLawOfOne


For the folks who live in some of the most inhospitable places on the planet, their IQs are higher in an understanding of nature, how to survive the elements, how to hunt, etc.

~Namaste

Not really, those are the same country's who need people to fly over and dig water wells for them, give them medication, clothing, seeds and teach them the basics of farming so they can feed themselves!

a reply to: rowanflame

Star and Flag for a well written argument.

IQ is only partially genetic and is not fixed.
Environment plays a significant role in IQ.

But perhaps the most convincing evidence comes from twin studies and adoption studies...

...In fact, most children with high intelligence are conceived by parents of average intelligence rather than by parents with high IQ scores (Plomin & Petrill, 1997). Children’s genetic ancestry, then, is hardly a surefire predictor of what their own potential is likely to be.

www.education.com...

Diet and exposure to different ideas have at least the same influence on IQ as Heredity.

I have been tested in school and in the military and scored in the upper 7%, that being said, I find that IQ tests do not actually test intelligence but rather retention of information the person has been exposed to.

a reply to: rowanflame

So now you can maybe understand why the fairly recent use of the term "diversity" has swelled into popular use by the PC inclined over the old propaganda term "we are all equal." That old "truth" pounded into our heads didn't work. Since we are no longer equal (regardless of where you exist along the continuum) you can expect either support from the superior side or you must share your wealth with the inferior. And that is what is happening to the world as we banter over the situation.

Do we think someone who has to walk 10 miles to get dirty water, has been malnourished most of his life cares about solving IQ problems?

The meek will inherit the earth and here is why.

It seems there is a correlation between woman who have high IQs and childlessness. Also, countries with better life conditions have slower birth rates.

Sometimes I feel like IQ creates more problems than it solve. For example, the tribes of America prior to the arrival of outsiders were living in balance with nature, the land was ripe and abundant, dare I theorize this could of carried on for hundreds of years. Today, we are so "advanced" that we have to change the way we live or we will melt the planet.

I don't see intelligence, I only see greed, selfishness and pride. We focus so much on intellect and material that we are not solving the age old problems which are the control of our intentions and emotions. Is there a test for emotional IQ?

a reply to: bitsforbytes

There is indeed a test for emotional IQ levels. In fact, people who scored higher on emotional IQ have been more successful in the work place because they are good at social interactions and and dealing with stress. On the other hand, people with higher IQ's tend to lack in the social interaction and stress management departments. psychology.about.com...

a reply to: RedmoonMWC


Well whatever IQ measures ( intelligence quotient ) it is evident from the list that the lower it is the bigger a mess a country is in. It is therefore also clear that a drop in national average IQ will be met with decrease in social, living conditions.

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
Do we think someone who has to walk 10 miles to get dirty water, has been malnourished most of his life cares about solving IQ problems?

There is no study involved so no excuses I'm afraid, pictures are pictures and all humans have equal capacity to interpret them as they are beyond language and culture.

a reply to: Voyaging

Interesting, thanks.

a reply to: rowanflame

No variation of an IQ test has proven to be unilaterally effective.

Examples from abstracts on the topic:

The question was raised whether tests of abstract ability were valid for cross-cultural comparisons. The first group of Ss consisted of 27 boys, about 15 years of age, from the Accra urban area, all of whom received the Goldstein-Scheerer Cube Test. The second group consisted of 317 boys who received the Raven Progressive Matrices Test on three successive weeks. The third group consisted of 32 boys who took the Kohs Block Design Test, administered and scored according to McConnell. The results showed that the cube Test performance is affected by environmental influences, and that the Progressive Matrices is susceptible to practice effects. Paradoxically the third group did about as well as McConnell's Ss on the Kohs Blocks who were shown to perform at a level comparable to Wechsler's standardization group. It was concluded that tests of abstract ability are no more "culture-free" than tests of intelligence. 30 references. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

Source

The paper describes a cross-cultural and historical meta-analysis of Raven's Progressive Matrices. Data were
analyzed of 798 samples from 45 countries (N=244,316), which were published between 1944 and 2003.
Country-level indicators of educational permeation (which involves a broad set of interrelated educational
input and output factors that are strongly related to economic development), the samples' educational age,
and publication year were all independently related to performance on Raven's matrices. Our data suggest
that the Flynn effect can be found in high as well as low GNP countries, although its size is moderated by
education-related sample and country characteristics and seems to be smaller in developed than in emerging
countries.

Source

There are no racial factors for intelligence.

a reply to: rowanflame

Right, but the relevance of doing a test when you are not fed well and live in a hole is what I am underlining.

From my personal experience, I went to university and studied electrical engineering and the majority of my teachers were immigrants who are now citizens, but were once upon a time a landed immigrant, these teachers were from the four corners of the world.

I find that one test to measure everyone is a bit simplistic and many variables that have a direct influence on learning are neglected. Emotions are key to learning: "All learning has an emotional base."-- Plato, this important pillar of learning is not considered at all in the traditional IQ test. I am sure that the Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghans or name a country with war, famine or corruption are having a great time performing like champs on their IQ test while they live in constant fear.

Ask a New Yorker to take an IQ test the day after 9/11, see how well he scores. I bet, that the scores would be lower than usual. I am aware that this is my guess and I am not a professional in this field. Some things don't need a scientific study to be understood.

How come our older teachers, in this case I am referring to Plato and I am sure many others, were aware that emotions played such a key role and today's specialists seems to ignore?

a reply to: Kali74

As said earlier "Culture Fair IQ Tests" are picture based and designed by psychologist so as not to give anyone an unfair advantage.

originally posted by: rowanflame
a reply to: RedmoonMWC


Well whatever IQ measures ( intelligence quotient ) it is evident from the list that the lower it is the bigger a mess a country is in. It is therefore also clear that a drop in national average IQ will be met with decrease in social, living conditions.

Absolutely wrong. Correlation is not causation. Yes, impoverished nations have poor educational systems, hence lower performance on academically oriented tests. Wealthier nations provide more opportunities for their citizens to develop their intellects, as well.as.sufficient nutrition to guarantee that their brains will develop in a healthy manner. Please stop with the retro eugenics BS.

Double post.

a reply to: rowanflame

I took THAT test and they said I did better than most PHDs.I just can't learn math or deal with others well.
What is it for?