What's in a name? Mercy?

a reply to: AlephBet

To be honest, this is perfectly adequate use of space in this thread, for it seems to relate, not just in terms of accusations that may or may not be implied here, are you implying I like little boys? Well, bummer, son, leave that to the Caesars and the Greeks and their successors the papal envoys and their little-boys'-homes and further.

Had I only been shocked or terrified! Sadly, however, that's not the deal. Fact is I have or rather had, quite a few friends with stories most people wouldn't believe of moms and dads, uncles and aunts or priests and policemen, well, you know the drill, it's becoming a classic, and I have grown sort of numb to it. And that makes me terribly sad sometimes, but then I straighten my back and KNOW that one wonderful day, such terror belongs in history.

These old families rely on methods as old as Egypt in order to frame and demobilise people like me. People who knows a little too much. They often use slave manuals I've heard. And they always have their special ones, typically a daughter who doesn't have to endure the shambles tango. The victim siblings typically hate these special ones. And half of all paedophiles are female. THAT is a highly neglected fact. I've heard some keep what they call Monkees. That'd be children born in captivity, who are being kept hidden, and since they don't receive any sensible stimuli, they can only grunt and sob, or laugh in terror and scream in pain, hence the name. Monkees.

These people are more dangerous to society than Osama and ISIL. It's everywhere, and they kill with a smile, and noone finds out of anything. A few weeks ago, my best friend over nearly 40 years was found killed with his bruised head submerged in water. Nothing happened. Accident. Well, I know that he was being chased by certain people who threatened himself and his family and produced fake pics of his now widowed wife, type BoB or BBC, although we all know that was BS. Turns out the police don't even want to consider anything. He was a drug addict. He had messed up his marriage. But he loved his children and his wife more than anyone, but certain people just couldn't let him be. They HAD to play their little games. Don't come telling me that my friend who one week before the "accident" had to move about in a wheel chair, that he was out walking in the woods falling off some cliff? Bollocks.

In Latin for instance pedo means both leg (as in pedal) and child (as in pedagogue). If you trace the syllable *Pei back to Indo-European, the word means SUFFERING and AGONY. Something to keep in mind before starting to dance along the devil's flute. Thing is, I know the Devil, and I've asked him to keep playing. For for every minute I and many with me SUFFER under these terms, Hell is being filled with thousands of said predators.

I'm not sure what you're trying to put together here. Are you claiming I am a paedophile? Is that it? Hehe, not the oldest trick in "the pedo-manual-of-doing-the-laundry"?!? They even refer to it in X-files, the Movie. A certain Kurzweil as far as I remember. Someone doesn't like me. As simple as that. I also heard Red Riding Hood was a gay terrorist. Makes for some juicy headlines, but appart from that, just a whole lot of SUFFERING. So leave it there. Finally I am starting to understand why you have all been so friggin' sneaky round me lately. If you have any proof, I suggest you hand it over to the police, and leave the accusations to the Law and not playing cup and ball with people's lives and careers. Thought you should know, that's all.

Double post

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

Sure I'm not Mycroft? Or that fat guy with a cane and sixpence? Ever heard of nyud.net? There are a few other such services out there too. I love them. You should try it. Lets you see what changes are made to more or less all pages on the net, often in real-time, or you can slide time back and forth (almost as in IRL when you learn to handle the secrets of life).

I have that ultimate weapon lazar beam device (niftily disguised as a high speed internet dish on my roof no one would know). Is nyud.net anything like anonymous (oh that's right I am visible). I thought I controlled all aspects of time; this is new to me (do not recommend slipping or sliding, you really have to live the moment; you don't ever have to remember another thing as in: "been there in total awareness done that".

Utna: So if let's say "Ernie" (let's just call him that for now) decides he'd close down his servers and his bitcoin mining operation to let's say (in theory of course) re-route the flood of hashed coins from his affiliates' HW he's hosting physically, to let's say, a secret digital wallet he's stuck away somewhere, under a claim that the whole mining operation is now gone bogus since he was attacked by the Devil (!), and that because of that he has been unable to hash for over a week while disappearing completely from all means of contact (as well as claiming a family member was dying, that he caught the flu, that he suddenly was moving physical location, that a massive denial of service attack destroyed the equipment, all in about a week....).

Is the theoretical "Ernie" John Galt? Wyatt Mining destroyed its operation; cut and ran, Reardon Steel follows suite. All as Objectivists would have the finest lawyer available; Daniel Webster (already has had some famous run ins with the Devil).

Utna: I mean, the guy is paranoid, and he is short on air, he's desperate, for things are starting to Kristalize itself, and people are starting to realise what this fake of a con-man is.... well, part of his plan seems to be to let it out on me, having me and a few others not mentioned take the force off the blow. Well, to quote one Queen Elizabeth, a distant relative of mine: «NOT BLOODY LIKELY!

I will play along, what guy is paranoid, short on air; desperate and a fake con-man (NOT JESUS! surely). What blow or force was deflected and how was accomplished. What was saved to preserve the crown?

Utna: And last night we were able to trace "Ernie's" trail of slime far behind our defences. Copies of signed logs and and other evidence is secured, just in case he should pull the drama queen card again as he uses to. Penny snatcher, this "Ernie". Penny snatcher. I mean, how low can you go? I thought I'd been pretty low and stupid in times of my life, but this here, maan, it's waaay outta my league. Touché! I'm impressed! Honestly!

The true identity of "Ernie" would be helpful if you would divulge its whereabouts proper or surname, middle initial?

Utna: I am certainly the first to admit I'm not a saint, but backstabbing and boasting of drowning kittens and what should be written on my tombstone? Comeon. Like I said in an earlier post, you guys probably have your own satellite by now. And I expect a pm or something from Admin or Mods, I guess I would have to explain myself further. I hoped it wouldn't come to this, but it appears I'm already past Rubicon. Bollocks! I hate this damn war!

You are not Zohar, so that particular epitaph I suggested does not fit. Hughes Corp. is the proprietary/owner of the satellites I make use of. There is/are no "you guys". What war are you fighting; is it spiritual or physical; I could enlist (what side are you on).

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Luke 1
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

* I bolded the text for illustration purposes. He will be called "son of God", really means he will be called "Bar Abba".

Another thing; there is no J letter in Hebrew (the closest sound is the Yod). And Hebrew language tend to end their words with a consonant, in case that there is a vowel, that vowel will be pronounce in a guttural way (adding ch, like Bach at the end of the pronunciation, not to show up in the written form).

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

To be honest, this is perfectly adequate use of space in this thread, for it seems to relate, not just in terms of accusations that may or may not be implied here, are you implying I like little boys?

Not at all. I was merely noting a reference to Plato is a reference to a day and age that leaned a lesson, yet there are still Priests carrying on the tradition. My point was to show the process to reflect truth forward and learn from our former inhumanity by forgiveness and experience. Can we forgive Plato? Can we forgive those Romans that carry the practice forward today? Can we forgive Satan? In degrees, there are many enemies, yet none as in need of forgiveness as our own self. We can blame Satan or any number of other personalities, but the object of the lesson is to find mercy for all enemies. As I said, this may very well be a trick. It depends on who is teaching the lesson.

originally posted by: Abednego
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Luke 1
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

* I bolded the text for illustration purposes. He will be called "son of God", really means he will be called "Bar Abba".

Are you saying your Lord is Jesus Barabbas? Son of God isn't Bar Abba, that means Son of the Father. See Matt 27, Mark 15 and John 18. Good luck.

Another thing; there is no J letter in Hebrew (the closest sound is the Yod). And Hebrew language tend to end their words with a consonant, in case that there is a vowel, that vowel will be pronounce in a guttural way (adding ch, like Bach at the end of the pronunciation, not to show up in the written form).

There is no I or Y in Hebrew. All Hebrew letters are consonants. The letter J was infact introduced into Ecclesiastical Latin to being able to render Hebrew transliterations more correctly. So your point was again?

The /j/ phoneme is the sound you find behind the Y in "Yes". For in english the letter J is voiced out as /dʒ/. So it's not the J that isn't in Hebrew, it's English which renders the Latin alphabet the "wrong" way. You should learn some basic Latin and Hebrew and perhaps even go a bit under the surface of English too, like learning to understand the different phonemes in the given languages so they can be identified and understood, other than saying nonsense like there are no sound J in Hebrew. And not all of us are Britons or Americans here either btw. Every language has their own ways with the alphabet and the phonemes. And things like transliteration is confusing, therefore I normally support my transliterations with the Masoretic Hebrew without niqquds.

a reply to: AlephBet

Yes, and it's sickening. Millstone-around-neck thing. Supposedly Julius Caesar dominated his nephew at the age of sixteen-- in this way as part of some disciplinary power-demonstration. This boy would later ascend the throne of Rome as Augustus. I can't remember exactly where it is written, I searched a bit in Suetonius unable to find a reference, but In Neil Gaiman's sixth Sandman album, there is a story about emperor Augustus, disguising himself as a beggar to sit in the town square begging for coins. At the end of this story the Augustus character reveals the secret why he always cried in silence, no tears.

This here shows that it's not really about the sex, but rather, it is the violence and domination, the humiliation and discipline. Just like with all sorts of premeditated rape.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: Abednego
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Luke 1
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

* I bolded the text for illustration purposes. He will be called "son of God", really means he will be called "Bar Abba".

Are you saying your Lord is Jesus Barabbas? Son of God isn't Bar Abba, that means Son of the Father. See Matt 27, Mark 15 and John 18. Good luck.

Another thing; there is no J letter in Hebrew (the closest sound is the Yod). And Hebrew language tend to end their words with a consonant, in case that there is a vowel, that vowel will be pronounce in a guttural way (adding ch, like Bach at the end of the pronunciation, not to show up in the written form).

There is no I or Y in Hebrew. All Hebrew letters are consonants. The letter J was infact introduced into Ecclesiastical Latin to being able to render Hebrew transliterations more correctly. So your point was again?

The /j/ phoneme is the sound you find behind the Y in "Yes". For in english the letter J is voiced out as /dʒ/. So it's not the J that isn't in Hebrew, it's English which renders the Latin alphabet the "wrong" way. You should learn some basic Latin and Hebrew and perhaps even go a bit under the surface of English too, like learning to understand the different phonemes in the given languages so they can be identified and understood, other than saying nonsense like there are no sound J in Hebrew. And not all of us are Britons or Americans here either btw. Every language has their own ways with the alphabet and the phonemes. And things like transliteration is confusing, therefore I normally support my transliterations with the Masoretic Hebrew without niqquds.

1. Jesus always refer to himself as "son of the father", he never use the wording son of God to refer to himself. So, there were actually 2 Jesus Barabbas in front of Pilate.
2. There is Y in Hebrew is the letter Yod י
3. The mistake everybody did when translating the Bible was to also translate the names (instead of using the original one). They try to translate them using the closest phonetic sound available at the moment.
4. I'm not saying who my Lord is.

a reply to: Abednego

Fair enough, though your concern with the letter J is limited to the English language. Why? In the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) the common Hebrew י phoneme (Jod in Latin and many other languages, Yod in English) is written /j/. The English J sound is written /dʒ/. In Greek the Hebrew י corresponds to the Iota (Gr. Ιώτα) or upper-case or capital Ι and lower-case or minuscule ι.

As for the English letter Y, there are quite a few things to be said. For the oldest ancestor to the English letter Y is in fact the Hebrew letter ו or Vav, melted together with the Old English letter Ȝ or "yogh" which would correspond to Heb. ג or Gimel. See links below:

==> English letter Y: en.wikipedia.org...
==> OE letter Ȝ: en.wikipedia.org...

It's not as simple as you want it to be. The world isn't black and white. To echo the eternal mantra: Everything is relative.

ETA: In ancient Hebrew scripts Vav or Heb. ו is styled as a letter very similar in shape to Y. The letter symbolised a tent-peg.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Sorry I got winded up a bit last night, I said some stupid things. Happens sometimes. I wish it was different. Sometimes I get paranoid and can say some pretty nasty stuff. Guess I need to get laid or something. Been isolated too long with my books and internet. Guess I need a break one of these days. So sorry, no hard feelings. Up as a lion, down as a fur-coat.

a reply to: WanDash

Yes, many thanks. I got winded up last night, I saw conspiracy all over the place, I get paranoid at times, and I kind of let it all out here on ATS. My bad. There were said some weird things yesterday, and I said quite a few stupid things meself. Got some sleep and some food. Back in black.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Everyone here says weird things or things weirdly.
I have been accused of being, believing, intending and doing many things on these boards, as well as in my life...and I don't think any of those accusations made it so.
As to paranoia - !! ...it can be both exciting and devastating at the same time.
With regard to Kaballah, Q'balla, Baseballah or any other esoteric path...I'm a little late in the game to focus on such endeavor/s. Too many other life-things I'm way behind on...already.
It does, however, interest me enough to listen in on conversations such this...
Thanks for your contributions in that regard.

a reply to: WanDash

Yes, and thanks again. Thanks for contributing. Thanks for being you.

Also, I'd just like to quote Albert Schweitzer, who in his 'The Quest of the Historical Jesus' (p. 478) first published in its final form in English in 2001, writes:

«The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the kingdom of God, who founded the kingdom of heaven upon earth and died to give his work its final consecration never existed. He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern theology in a historical garb. This image has not been destroyed from outside; it has fallen to pieces...» Albert Schweitzer

Albert Schweitzer was a remarkable person. Right after he graduated from the Theological College of Saint Thomas in Strasbourg, Albert was made a provisional principal of said University, two years later it was made permanent. His fields of study and work were in medicine, music, philosophy and theology.

As the receiver of many prestigious prizes and diplomas, Albert Schweitzer won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1952 for his philosophy of "Reverence for Life". He died in the hospital he had established himself, at the age of 90, in 1965. A remarkable man.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

All these variants, if a word looks different 1,000 years later. Language changes so much, and on top of that you have everybody disagreeing. Jehoshuah sounds like Joshua. From what I have dug up the name of Jesus of supposed to be Joshua. Technically it would be Yahshua since the J is newly introduced. I have no idea why some people add a syllable to that word. It's almost like still, just as we see in every other case of civilization, that the ego takes over, even in religion people stand up again for the cause of being stubborn. Why do people have the apathy to lie to each other, and have the passion to be stubborn?

I will provide an example, I was recently digging up some things on the net and I came across this often mark of disinformation that somebody yearns to deceive the public about. Somebody is paying for this website to hold this information in the hope that it confuses somebody and keeps the delusion over them. Ever since the times of Christ all of the powers of the central world have attempted to confuse people, it is so stupid - the apathy, the fact that the people opposing Christ have always been in power.

Jews, for various reasons, started to substitute His name with the Hebrew title "Adonai". Adonai is the Hebrew word for "Lord". This information can be easily verified in many Bible dictionaries and various encyclopedias.

Jews started to vocally replace the name "Yahweh" with "Adonai" (Lord) for two reasons:

1. It was beginning to be believed that His name was too sacred to be uttered

2. They preferred to simply call Him "Elohim" rather than "Yahweh" to demonstrate to the world that He is the only true Elohim.

This person is teaching the world a false doctrine, just like everybody else teaches and like they did every since the time of Christ. They slide in the word Elohim when they weren't even referring to that word. Elohim is a pagan word. Both Elohim and Yahweh were in Genesis. The reason is because there was two copies of Genesis written, one for the world and one for the Jews. The one for the world had the name God in plural, the one for the Jews had the name revealed to Moses. Unless you think that Moses wrote the version with Elohim before Yahweh was given to him.

originally posted by: greyer
From what I have dug up the name of Jesus of supposed to be Joshua. Technically it would be Yahshua since the J is newly introduced.

Who teach you this crap? Yes, J was introduced after Jesus lived, and so was the Y. The J was introduced into Latin in order to render the name of their Lord better. The Y is a raised V or an Old English letter that is more related to the consonant /v/ rather than the modern semi-vocal /j/.

More on letter Y ==> en.wikipedia.org...

The oldest direct ancestor of English letter Y was the Semitic letter waw, from which also come F, U, V, and W. See F for details. The Greek and Latin alphabets developed from the Phoenician form of this early alphabet. In Modern English, there is also some historical influence from the old English letter yogh (Ȝȝ), which developed from Semitic gimel, as shown below.

Things are not really simple. Languages change all the time. If you went back in time 800 years with Doctor Who and asked some Manc the way to the nearest post-office, I doubt any of you would make sense of anything to be honest. With the invention of the printing press came lexical doctrine, but still, if you read Shakespeare in its original rendition, it's pretty far out spellings. And vocally it would sound like gibberish.


ETA: Also see my reply to Abednego above here ==> www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Remember what Jesus said: Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. [ESV] Mark 13:31

Strip the Gospel for all commentaries, leaving only dialogue and spoken words. As far as I know, the only place where the LORD is called by a Jewish name, is when he rides into the city and crowd cries «Hoseanna ben/bar David». Remember the guy is supposed to be the descendant to king David in a straight line. Or like "Jesus" or perhaps rather Hosea, says in a riddle campaigning for his supremacy as the rightful heir to the Throne of David, but refuting he is the Messiah of the Scribes, knowing it is a trick they wage to have him killed:

“How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David? [...] David himself calls him Lord. So how is he his son?” [ESV] Mark 12:35ff.

And I imagine the Jesus-character goes: «See? I'm not the Christ! I'm just Hosea ben David, a descendant of king David. I can't help it, I was born with the name. I am not the messiah you seek to devour!»

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
Who teach you this crap? Yes, J was introduced after Jesus lived, and so was the Y. The J was introduced into Latin in order to render the name of their Lord better. The Y is a raised V or an Old English letter that is more related to the consonant /v/ rather than the modern semi-vocal /j/.

Why would you say my source was crap and not teach me the truth? The fact that you disrespect my post and didn't give me the truth from your argument means that it is your stubborn ego keeping you from escaping the spiritual delusion that shackels you down any time you attempt to interpret a thought. I have learned from many sources and each one of them disagree with each other, so if I provide 20 sources that all disagree with each other why should I believe you when you can't even come close to showing a civilized argument?

a reply to: greyer

I just told you the boring but true truth. That you have no interest into anything but something you heard, what can I do? If you intend to refute something linguistic, then you use linguistics to explain it. Phonological basics like phonemes and the right way to transliterate foreign languages, well, In English the /j/ phoneme is written Y or I. In Norwegian and German, the /j/ phoneme is written J. And in Hebrew, the /j/ phoneme is written י which is written /jod/ or yod in English, Jod in German and probably French and Spanish and Italian also, since they are Latin languages, and the IPA system is styled on Greek and Latin phonology much.

In short, the misconception here at ATS that י cannot be written Jod, well, it's not true. J in Norwegian is even called Jodd.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: greyer

I just told you the boring but true truth. That you have no interest into anything but something you heard, what can I do? If you intend to refute something linguistic, then you use linguistics to explain it. Phonological basics like phonemes and the right way to transliterate foreign languages, well, In English the /j/ phoneme is written Y or I. In Norwegian and German, the /j/ phoneme is written J. And in Hebrew, the /j/ phoneme is written י which is written /jod/ or yod in English, Jod in German and probably French and Spanish and Italian also, since they are Latin languages, and the IPA system is styled on Greek and Latin phonology much.

In short, the misconception here at ATS that י cannot be written Jod, well, it's not true. J in Norwegian is even called Jodd.

Oh sorry, so it seems that you are in agreement with me.

Was Christ named that because he was the 2nd lawgiver?