What will lead to the NWO

We cant accept the mark of the beast

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Originally posted by nightwing089
We cant accept the mark of the beast

I don't think the anti christ is at the center of the NWO, i think it is just a bunch of rich powerful guys looking to make more money and gain more power by being in control of a one world government. Just my 2 cents, could be wrong though

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I do see the world bunsiss and political leaders getting together to creat what is being called the NWO. I dont really think the mark of the beast has anything to do with it though. I dont know if a one world Gov will necessarly be good or evil. I guess the best I can say about that is it will turn evil the same instant we loose freedoms.

Will the one line postings please stop, its against ATS rules. Try to right abit more to keep the discussion growing One line posting and four word posting can result in warnings

the anti-christ will definitely lead the NWO. but the anti-christ will take on the form of a human, so i dont know exactly. and i think it will be George W. Bush. just an opinion though.

I really dont think the evil of any religen will have a bering on the NWO. That is aside from who every winds up being in charge of the NWO every one who does like him/her will defently be calling him/her the anti christ, satan or what ever else they happen to find insulting.

They are patient and moving forward in many areas at once.
They are willing to accept periodic setbacks; they can afford to because there is no organized opposition to pounce on them.

A lot of what they have done is was and is experimental. They watch what happens and use the results to their advantage. For example, both a US victory or defeat in Iraq is something they can use to their advantage even though they might initially prefer one of the other result. After all, it is just one of the things on their plate.

Their preferred method is to bring things in after a suitable period of preparation. Usually this will consist of building up a public demand for what they want. If they cannot beat something, they corrupt and compromise it.

Symbolic dates and timelines are useful to them but are they really tied down by them? It is a process not something written in stone.

The core of their power;
1) Control over the best technology in the fields of communications, weapons, medicine, psychology, energy generation and transportation
2) Control over money and banking
3) Persistent recruitment and compromising of enough politicians and bureaucrats to keep events and political structures moving within accepted parameters

Given these, the party can continue and they can just keep maneuvering until they have things set up the way they want.

Once in a while they do something big such as 9/11 in order to set a specific chain of events in motion. Even then, they can handle several contingencies.

The public frightens, frustrates and disgusts them which is why they want to draw the reins of control tighter and tighter. But from where I sit, they are growing in confidence.

Their weaknesses
1) They are outnumbered
2) They are human. Therefore, they can be impatient, envious, selfish, overconfident, prone to disunity.

revengeogmakhno,
You made a very nice post, thank you. You also make it sound like you know what you are talking about, very sure of what you say. By any chance could you say who the people are behind these actions?

Red Golem
thanks.
Yes I am very sure of what I say because it comes from unusually well placed personal sources that have consistently shown themsleves to be accurate about everything they have told me. (some of it was stuff that I did not want to believe). Furthermore, that information has matched up well with every other source I came across. Those leads led me to other shocking but completely consistent information. If you have kicked around this subject for a few years, you know how many false leads and dead-ends there are. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time, one thing led to another and I kept digging.

Names. Of course. In fact, you already know a lot of the names in people such as Kissinger and David Rockefeller. But that doesn't add much does it?

I am reluctant to get deeper into this at ATS but you seem to be genuinely and honestly concerned about this subject. (forgive me for talking like that but I have found a lot of people around this site who like to to setup and bait arguments)

So, I'll kick out two more names for now.
Maurice Strong and Admiral Bobby Ray Inman (retired)

I don't know what your reaction is to those two but if you take the time to look deeply at their public "careers", you can get a sense of what I am talking about in terms of "operating on many levels simultaneously". Of course, their public careers are just the tip of the iceberg. I can assure you that both these people are far more influential and powerful than most people even begin to imagine.

People can decide for themselves what they want to believe but frankly it doesn't matter to me if anyone wants to disagree or not. I know what I know and what I've seen.

Right now, what I am interested in is determining if and where there are any meaningful divisions in this crew that is running the show. I have been given indications that is the case but I am not convinced it is enough to used effectively in working against them.

revengeogmakhno
Yes you are right, I am not looking for an argument, I just do like hearing the info that people have. I can not say I am farmiler with the two names that you menchened, but I also do what to know who the driveing force is behind the NWO, and what there end game goals are. Meaning is it more then a one government world. I also feel that just because some one is invalved in politics does not mean they are working tword what people hear call the NWO, but that is why I asked you who the people are behind it. Which that brings me to the next question. What role do you think the Omeaga Agency plays in this?

the antichrist will come from the e.u. after bush brings down this nation enough.

Red Golem
The material I have seen regarding OA lead me to seriously doubt whether such an organization actually exists or existed. It looks like disinformation to me. There are bits and pieces that ring close to true and that is mixed in with stuff that I have reliable evidence is definitely not true. But the AO concept draws people in, gives them a fast, convenient answer and then leads them down the wrong path. Meanwhile, someone else is looking at another piece of disinformation. Thus, the game of confusion, division, smoke and mirrors is on.

We prefer to have quick, all encompassing answers. It's the CIA, it's the masons, it's the Bilderbergers, and so on. This tendency is very exploitable. But what smart operator is going to just set themselves up as a simple visible target. Look at how the CIA or Mossad operates in their usual functions. They use multi-layered deceptions, disinformation and false front operations constantly. (The fact that there is more visibility right now suggests that they could have big things coming soon or are becoming over-confident. I hope that provides us with opportunities)

So, yes the CIA is involved with the NWO (a term I actually don't like but we seem stuck with) but only certain compartments and individuals within the CIA. Legitimate doubt or outright misconception is created in the mind of the observer and but inside, the wheels are turning. How many ex-CIA people left frustrated because they could not really understand what was going on and who was pulling the strings?

The bottom line question is who is meeting and what are they up to. Who cares what they might or might not label themselves on a given day? It seems more useful to identify who specifically has power and influence and what corporate and organizational structures they are building, and how they manipulate and benefit from specific events.

So I can't say that I give much attention to OA. When stuff comes up with that label, I read it but that is about it.

hmmm well I had not thought of the OA being there for deception, so that is an interesting new idea. But then still the question of the end game goal is still out there. Thanks for all your info. Hopefully some new info will come along and I will try to read what ever comes by. Please do point me in the right direction if you find something interesting.

Red Golem,
It is good that you bring up the idea of the endgame. I think this is where a lot of people get hung up. They feel that it has to be a set master plan of a fixed set of people.

But this NWO crowd is not going to fit themselves neatly into a box. The bottom line is to maintain, consolidate and increase their power, wealth and control. They can maintain a concensus around that general concept and recruit new players and their own replacements within that framework. Beyond that, there is good evidence that a particular idea of the perfect future is not one vision that is shared by all of them. Same goes for methods, some are willing to freely use violence, even glorify it, and others prefer more subtle methods. Depending on the balance of those acting on the mass of humanity with its inertia and consciousness, so goes the future.

In the meantime, look at the operations of certain companies such as AIG, CITIC Pacific, SAIC, Carlyle, and so on (even Walmart). Not only do they grow but it is the sectors they control and the activities they are involved in. Then look at who controls or is associated with such corporations (as these corporations are not important in themselves but are vehicles for agendas of individuals)
To that, add the big money groups and families that have been there for a long time but have never gone away. The pieces then start to fall into place. Lastly, throw in a few people who are useful and forceful organizers, fixers and front men. Then the cast is complete.

I suggest to not over-emphasize government agencies such as the CIA, NSA, the UN, CFR, etc. They are tools to be infiltrated and used. They become interesting as one watches how they support the operations of certain corporations or further certain agendas and how key individuals move in and out of controlling positions in them.

One thing on the OA for now;
There could be people whose goals are similar to those described in OA related material but only in a general sense, nothing fixed and nothing adhered to rigorously. I've watched people research evidence and try to jam it into an OA framework. The result is that they lose the significance of the information they have uncovered because they insist on interpreting it in one narrow way. It is small wonder that they generally become very frustrated.

Originally posted by nwo vs me
the antichrist will come from the e.u. after bush brings down this nation enough.

got anything to back this claim up??
thats a very bold statement.

revengeogmakhno
I do think I underdtand and see what has been hapening with the large companies and the people who run them. Also how the direct our government, such as the energy policy from not to long ago. So is it correct that what you are saying is the driveing desire behind the NWO is power and greed in the hands of a few? And if that is the case would that not also mean that the people who are pulling the strings want no change to happen? I mean it does seem that the way the Gov. and its fiscal set up does favor the large companies, and the people who control them and the financhal instituations. So why would the people in power what to bring in some new idea or anyting?

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by nwo vs me
the antichrist will come from the e.u. after bush brings down this nation enough.

got anything to back this claim up??
thats a very bold statement.

it is a bold statment, and it would be nice to see the evedance, but it might just be based on the direction he sees our current leaders takeing the country.

Red Golem
Maintaining power, wealth and control is what the "NWO" (let's use that term for now even though it is imperfect) can always agree on. A lot of the time, that means maintaining the status quo.

But they also look for ways to perfect the system, so they will also bring in changes that can benefit them. A new product or technology can increase profits and control. Restructuring government or corporations can concentrate power, wealth and control further. Wars can generate a lot of profit and rearrange the world system to their benefit... and so on.

The energy industry is a good example. More efficient and cleaner ways of generating and distributing energy have been available for a long time. But the use of fossil fuels has been exceptionally profitable. So they want to stretch out any transition for as long as possible. Eventually new technologies will have to take over but they will try to make that transition be to another distribution or maintenance system that feeds their bank accounts and prevents people from being truly independent. For issues like this, their control over the development of new technology is extremely important. People who stand in the way of that are shouted down, bought off, pushed aside or removed as Eugene Mallove was.

While there is agreement on the above strategy, there are top members of the NWO who have even more extensive agendas. At that point, we can start looking at factions within the NWO who seem to have somewhat different agendas. For me, an important question is, do those differences create enough leverage for the system to break down at some point?