Pregnant Woman Perfectly Tells Off Anti-Abortion Protestors

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Thanks for quote mining me and taking what I was saying out of context. You are just on a roll with the fallacies.

But hey since killing a canine and a human is the same because it is life, how do you feel about killing flies? Or viruses? Or mold? That's all life too, isn't it wrong to kill that as well?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Thanks for quote mining me and taking what I was saying out of context. You are just on a roll with the fallacies.

I tend not to play with words just to appease the masses...

I Hunt and Kill Animals..I dont Terminate them, I dont Abort them, I dont Harvest them.. I kill them then i eat them.
I call things how i see them. and i wont use the words Terminate, Abort or Harvest just because it make me fell better because i take a life. I kill. I end life, I'm a Killer. get it.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Well that's quite a simplistic approach to the matter imo.

There are other options than killing the child.

Such as? Even in Western Europe/USA the choices are lacking. Adoption usually is hell and the notion that (luckily!!) some find good and loving parents doesn't negate the harsh reality. Luckily I've never had an abortion but I know already it's nowhere near a fun or easy option. What however would constitute absolute nightmare: Carrying it all that time, with all the discomfort, obviously growing stomach (so everyone knows...) to eventually push it out and hand it over... the idea of having to go through such a thing is simply horrifying. Because then it IS your child, it breathes, it just came out of your body. And then what? Many children without parents go through heartbreaking abuse and lack of love as they're in some kind of orphanage. Those who're in foster care rarely have an easy youth afaik. And opting to give the child away to potential crazies, abusers and pedophile rings is simply horror.

I'm not ignorant to the fact that accidental pregnancies happen, but yelling "ABORT!, ABORT!" because you "have no money for it" or "don't even like kids" does NOT qualify as valid reasons to me.

Luckily we don't have a council of you's deciding whether one's life will be ruined or if she can actually go through with the procedure she consciously opted. I fail to see how 'I'm not able to take care of a human being, completely dependant on me' is selfishness, just that. Besides, I get the feeling this is a way of framing it to toss aside all the other reasons to terminate a pregnancy. Words like 'selfish' have all kinds of (emotional) connotations with them.

Your life wouldn't be ruined, you just don't want the responsibility of having a child. I know zero people whose lives were "ruined" by having a baby who have actually had a baby--I hear plenty of people regurgitate that cliche who never have.

Oh yes it would. I rent a room that has no place for a child. Nor do I have the money. As you may know, many young women and girls who DO give birth to the child end up on welfare without much future perspective and without the ability to get some education or job. These people are then spat upon, because sluts, why did they have the baby, it'll have no future, bla bla. I'd have no life, the child would be in poverty. And yes, these things are real. Some children even today and in the west can hardly have toys, birthday parties, whatever.

No anecdote negates that.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Thanks for quote mining me and taking what I was saying out of context. You are just on a roll with the fallacies.

I tend not to play with words just to appease the masses...

So that excuses your quote mine? You know damn well I didn't say that like I meant it, so don't pretend like I did.

I Hunt and Kill Animals..I dont Terminate them, I dont Abort them, I dont Harvest them.. I kill them then i eat them.
I call things how i see them. and i wont use the words Terminate, Abort or Harvest just because it make me fell better because i take a life. I kill. I end life, I'm a Killer. get it.

In that regards, everyone is a killer. You just rendered that label meaningless. Good job.

Good for this women. If more people speak out, more people are basically forced to listen and that is a very good thing. I am full Pro-choice. It should be the choice of the would be mother and father. BOTH. A father shouldn't lose a would be child, because the mother doesn't want a baby. And a mother shouldn't lose a would be child because the father doesn't want a child.


I think the only time that the man should not be included in the decision is if he raped the woman.

It's not the choice of the general public that knows nothing of the situation. It's the choice of the people within the situation.


It isn't a decision that is just taken lightly. These people regret, and mourn their would be child. It's not the child that they want to get rid of. It's the "Bad timing." Sometimes it is just bad timing and it's not possible to bring a child into that. I wouldn't want to bring a child into the world if it means that I might not be able to feed them or cloth them, or put them in the right diapers. And that's why I'm on the Depo shot. But you know what? Birth control fails. And there needs to be a backup plan for that. That's where day after and abortion come into play.

There's some 500,000 unadopted children in the US alone already. That is to say, there are FAR more children in foster care than there are parents willing to adopt. To the anti-choice "Just put them up for adoption" crowd, how exactly do these stats fit into your brilliant plan?

originally posted by: GetHyped
There's some 500,000 unadopted children in the US alone already. That is to say, there are FAR more children in foster care than there are parents willing to adopt. To the anti-choice "Just put them up for adoption" crowd, how exactly do these stats fit into your brilliant plan?

God yes. This on many levels.
I looked into what it takes to be a foster parent, because my mom was looking into it (I'm 22 and not living with my mother but I wanted to be able to help) and holy hell. It's a lot of work, and paperwork, and interviews, and questions. And they give you very limited time to get everything done. Some people, even if they want kids, don't want to go through the hassle.

Now imagine she is armed, standing over an unconscious adult, using those same excuses for why it should be ok for her to kill the helpless person on the ground. She's not so brave anymore, is she. She's not some hero anymore, is she. She becomes a homicidal monster when you view it through this lens. This also highlights what the debate really is about; when life begins.

a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"...holy hell. It's a lot of work, and paperwork, and interviews, and questions. And they give you very limited time to get everything done"

Yep, who would want to do so much paperwork!? Who would want to answer questions and be interviewed!? Better to just kill the children!

a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"It's not the child that they want to get rid of. It's the "Bad timing."
Hey, that's a valid excuse. "Well officer, I shot him, because the timing was incorrect. I feel really bad about it now though, so it's ok."

originally posted by: Dfairlite
Now imagine she is armed, standing over an unconscious adult, using those same excuses for why it should be ok for her to kill the helpless person on the ground. She's not so brave anymore, is she. She's not some hero anymore, is she. She becomes a homicidal monster when you view it through this lens. This also highlights what the debate really is about; when life begins.

Adults don't suck the life out of their mother while they are aging for 9 months. Your analogy is terrible. Not to mention, no one is calling a woman who gets an abortion a hero. In fact, you are the first person who used that word in this thread. Hyperbole much?

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

"...holy hell. It's a lot of work, and paperwork, and interviews, and questions. And they give you very limited time to get everything done"

Yep, who would want to do so much paperwork!? Who would want to answer questions and be interviewed!? Better to just kill the children!

Apparently 130,000 families less than we currently need. That is without making abortion illegal and forcing those mothers to come to term.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Adults don't suck the life out of their mother while they are aging for 9 months."

Using this logic you should be able to kill your born children at any point that they can't fend for themselves. I mean, I have to feed them for them to grow and to feed them I have to go to work, which sucks the life out of me.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Adults don't suck the life out of their mother while they are aging for 9 months."

Using this logic you should be able to kill your born children at any point that they can't fend for themselves. I mean, I have to feed them for them to grow and to feed them I have to go to work, which sucks the life out of me.

No, I am being literal here when I say "suck the life out of their mother." A fetus literally takes the nutrients that a mother needs to live to grow and develop directly from the mother. This causes all sorts of problems for the mother up to and including the birth.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
Now imagine she is armed, standing over an unconscious adult, using those same excuses for why it should be ok for her to kill the helpless person on the ground. She's not so brave anymore, is she. She's not some hero anymore, is she. She becomes a homicidal monster when you view it through this lens. This also highlights what the debate really is about; when life begins.

You can't even compare the two. Well, you can. But you shouldn't.

A clump of cells isn't a person. It can be given the right amount of time, but it isn't when most abortions are performed.
There is a difference between a clump of cells and a human being.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Apparently 130,000 families less than we currently need. That is without making abortion illegal and forcing those mothers to come to term"

So just kill 'em, right? I have a better solution. Let's kill every mother (and father) who doesn't want to care for their child. This will cut down on the repeat abortions too! Who knew life was of such little value to you?

a reply to: Dfairlite

Using this logic you should be able to kill your born children at any point that they can't fend for themselves.

Once born, "someone else" can care for your child. Until we can find "someone else" to carry a child to term, besides the pregnant woman who wants an abortion, your logic makes no sense.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So a breastfeeding mom should be allowed to kill her baby. Since a very similar thing happens.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Dfairlite

Using this logic you should be able to kill your born children at any point that they can't fend for themselves.

Once born, "someone else" can care for your child. Until we can find "someone else" to carry a child to term, besides the pregnant woman who wants an abortion, your logic makes no sense.

Have you not seen the stats proving the opposite, they're posted just above on this page!

a reply to: Dfairlite

You are grasping at straws here with your argument. If you cannot see the difference between a baby being breast fed and a fetus literally growing inside a mother's womb in regards to taking nutrients from the mother, you have a LONG way to go in your education of human anatomy.

ETA: How many women do you know that have died from breast feeding? How many die from complications related to pregnancy?