Pregnant Woman Perfectly Tells Off Anti-Abortion Protestors

We can help guide the life we live , we cannot choose those who live in our world. Everyone's opinion is valid and nobody should make choices for someone else.

Abortion is right and wrong for all reasons. Some more valid than others.. yes people should live with the consequences of their actions.. but should a child have to potentially have to suffer a deprived childhood as a result? (almost not always the case).

It begs for reason that a choice must be offered , people probably shouldn't make mistakes. Some can welcome in new life and others cannot.

..But if someone was using all forms of contraception AND THEN got pregnant , who has the right to deny them THEIR RIGHT and say it is their fault for having intercourse if all precautions were taken?

Everyone is entailed to their own beliefs - be it religious , life choice , morals , etc. But at no point should they stand on the side walk and force them on other people. If people come forward and make a CHOICE , that is what life is all about.. choice - not denying the right to live.

watch the void.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Sir, in this discussion I have to give you a star as that is a very controversial and valid point.

It begs to wonder though.. should a rapist be charged with murder if the woman he rapes got pregnant and needed/wanted an abortion? (because it is totally out of her control).

Food for thought!


watch the void.

No matter many times you call it that, abortion IS NOT murder.

I don't see how anyone can say that for certain. How do you know?

Let's do some math. If we take the 85% of abortions that have nothing to do with health reasons, that's 850,000 abortions a year in the U.S. The year before abortions were federally legalized in the US, I think there were like 37 deaths from botched illegal abortions. I'm gonna estimate that the reported number is much lower, so let's call it 500. Now, there are more abortions taking place today, so let's double this number. By these numbers, I estimate maybe 1000 deaths due to botched abortions per year (let's double it because if the mother dies that kills the fetus too).

Why did I estimate this? Well, if there's even a 1% chance that abortion is murder, you're looking at a weighted 8,500 deaths per year due to abortions. Since this is higher than the estimated deaths that would occur with abortion illegal, someone who believes that there's a 1% chance abortion is murder should be against abortion.

The actual "break even point" is somewhere around .25%.

So, let me ask you again, how do you know that abortion is not murder?

originally posted by: Propulsion
It’s funny how people only call it a fetes when they DON”T want it.
But as soon as they DO want it, they call it a baby.

I got Trinity some pills to make her feenis grow.

A star to whoever first gets the reference...

a reply to: sdubya

We can teach young and adults all about safe sex and abstinence (we know that's not happenin!), it comes down to the person and their mind set. Not everyone really understands, they see what's on TV and think their lives will be similar

a reply to: pheonix358
Of every girl I've ever known to have an abortion, their main reason was because the "loving father" either abused them, left them, promised they would never have anything to do with the baby or threatened future harm/stalking/abuse. Some of them really wanted the baby, but just couldn't bear the thought of 18 years of stress and abuse.

One friend who had her 'oops' baby: he's now 6 years old. She has yet to see one dime in child support. Apparently all you have to do is not answer the door and the government can't seem to hold you responsible. Seriously, the State of Texas can't find him in 6 years even though my friend told them 2 places that he lives.

Drop it with the loving father crap.

originally posted by: MarkJS
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ah... but the people murdering babies are not hate-filled? Well right, probably not. For them it's worse. They are indifferent. Jaded. That's even worse then having murderous emotions....

Oy vey. I've had several friends that had abortions. Not one of them was jaded. Every one of them faced a heart wrenching, difficult decision. Most that made that choice were faced with abuse/neglect and threats of future abuse/neglect as soon as her 'condition' was revealed to the "loving father". As I've already stated, the government is next to worthless when it comes to protecting women and children, prosecuting abuse, or even collecting child support. So, even with laws in place, women and children are left to fend for themselves. So, if they have to fend for themselves, let them fend for themselves. If a woman finds herself pregnant and knows that she and the baby would just be suffering 18 years of abuse/neglect then let her make the choice NOT to subject a child to that.

On a separate note: As the mother of 2 beautiful planned, and very much wanted children, let me tell you that being pregnant sucks. Nausea, weight gain, carpal tunnel, hernias, pelvic and spinal adjustments, swollen feet, sciatica....these are just a few off the top of my head that go along with it. And I've had normal, healthy pregnancies. It's not 9 months...it's 10 MONTHS. It is truly a labor of love and it is extremely hard. It would be straight up CRUEL AND UNUSUAL to force a woman to go through this experience without her completely on board.

For those living in this La La land "Just have the baby and give it up for adoption." See above.

And one more point before I have to get my daughter ready for school:

Roughly 20 years post Roe v. Wade crime statistics took a nice dip. For all the 'pro lifers' out there: are you willing to pay more taxes to expand food stamp programs and medicaid for all these babies that are almost guaranteed to be born into poverty? Then, in the next 20 years you would be totally ok with increased crime begin committed by all these children born into poverty? Then you would be ok with increased taxes for more police and prisons and an expanded legal system?

Making abortion illegal wouldn't just be saving all those cute, little cherub babies....it would have a far reaching ripple effect that would ultimately weaken our society and decrease everyone's quality of life.

Just out of curiosity what do all the Pro choice think of this person in this Video.
Girl throws Puppies into a River

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Just out of curiosity what do all the Pro choice think of this person in this Video.
Girl throws Puppies into a River

I really cannot see the reason you are equating the above to abortion

and the 'human being'? IF a woman choses to carry a pregnancy to term,

she is not likely to drown the resultant child.... and if she choses

abortion there will have never been a child

Day before yesterday I had to shoot a dog to put it out of its misery. It was horrible, but it had to be done. He had broken his spine and was suffering greatly. Sometimes a quick and dignified death is the more humane thing than to allow something ongoing suffering. I'm also pro-death penalty and pro-doctor assisted suicide and I've got explicit DNR directives on file in case I become incapacitated.
a reply to: Soloprotocol


On a different note, I came up with the perfect solution to end all unwanted pregnancies and render "elective" abortions obsolete: Just give all boys government mandated vasectomies as soon as they hit puberty! Then when the boy becomes a man and makes the conscious decision to have children, he can have it reversed! Easy peasy!

Yeah right, guys would be rioting in the streets if the government tried to tell them what to do with THEIR bodies. But it's totally ok to make a criminal out of a woman who's making decisions for herself. *eye roll*

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Just out of curiosity what do all the Pro choice think of this person in this Video.
Girl throws Puppies into a River

I think that is an appeal to emotion fallacy.

Also this is in the clip's description:

It is not clear whether the clip is a hoax following the furore created by CCTV footage of Mary Bale, a woman from Coventry, who was caught on camera putting a cat in a wheelie bin.

So it may not even be real.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
oh, it's real enough..Girl who threw puppies in a river escapes unpunished

Still waiting on a answer to my question from the pro choice group here.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I gave you an answer. It is an emotional appeal fallacy, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

By the way, your new source does nothing to allay the claims of it being a hoax:

A woman claimed to have rescued the dogs from the river after the video was taken, but animal welfare group PETA said they were not the same puppies.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Just out of curiosity what do all the Pro choice think of this person in this Video.
Girl throws Puppies into a River

she is not likely to drown the resultant child....

Yeah, They just cut the Baby/fetus into pieces with a Blender before it has a chance to breath fresh air.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I gave you an answer. It is an emotional appeal fallacy, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

By the way, your new source does nothing to allay the claims of it being a hoax:

A woman claimed to have rescued the dogs from the river after the video was taken, but animal welfare group PETA said they were not the same puppies.

Who was the woman who supposedly rescued the pups?..The Man from Atlantis Wife?..Get real.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I don't know who the woman is, nor does it matter, but the sources YOU provided say that the video may be a hoax and that the woman rescuing dogs didn't rescue the same dogs in that order. It's not like I found new sources to debunk your videos, you gave me all the material.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I gave you an answer. It is an emotional appeal fallacy, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

The question was.. What do pro choice think of this person who threw the pups into the River?...Answer my question you did not. If anything you deflected the question with a accusation.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I gave you an answer. It is an emotional appeal fallacy, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

The question was.. What do pro choice think of this person who threw the pups into the River?...Answer my question you did not. If anything you deflected the question with a accusation.

It has nothing to do with abortion. Even if it is true, it is an animal cruelty case that you are trying to position next to abortion to create an emotional appeal by trying to get us to say that a girl killing puppies is a worse offense than killing a fetus. The WHOLE argument is a logical fallacy, and I'm not going to entertain such crappy arguments.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I gave you an answer. It is an emotional appeal fallacy, so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

The question was.. What do pro choice think of this person who threw the pups into the River?...Answer my question you did not. If anything you deflected the question with a accusation.

a girl killing puppies is a worse offense than killing a fetus.

Thanks for clearing that up. Ending life be it Canine Animal or Human Animal is "Killing" no matter who you look at it.