Transgender girl awarded $75,000 in lawsuit over school bathroom access

a reply to: 3u40r15m

lawyers are probably gonna take 33%
i think that is standard fare
the article said she the parents are getting half of the remainder


you know, mommy and daddy gotta get paid

i would still like some insight into the whole transgender whatever the correct term is...
please

a reply to: Grovit

'You can't have a transginger dressing like a female using a teenage boys bathroom.....I can see like 5 inappropriate things happening in that case.. If they want to use the boys room, dress like a boy. Cause alot of them have both parts. I'm no expert on it. But I have known one or two. And they still identify themselves as females. Skirts, Yoga pants long hair makeup... That's all I got for now.

originally posted by: 3u40r15m
a reply to: Grovit

'You can't have a transginger dressing like a female using a teenage boys bathroom.....I can see like 5 inappropriate things happening in that case.. If they want to use the boys room, dress like a boy. Cause alot of them have both parts. I'm no expert on it. But I have known one or two. And they still identify themselves as females. Skirts, Yoga pants long hair makeup... That's all I got for now.

i get what you mean about the inappropriate things. youre probably right.
but is it right to have a person with male parts use the female bathroom?
im not so sure.

i was not aware transgender had both parts.
that would be hermaphrodite...i was under the impression that trans gender was all about what they identify with.
i could be off too. i know next to nothing about it...i would like to undertand though.

i know that she identifies as a female. i saw the picture. i know the score.
still though, shes not a female.

i can identify with asians all day. does not mean im asian

dont get me wrong. i support their right to be whoever they want. its not about that.
she should be able to identify with whatever sex she wants. she should be able to marry a man. marry a woman. be a woman...whatever makes her happy...

in the end though, she is not a girl. she is a boy

thats the part i am trying to understand.

a reply to: Grovit

Yeahhh I was referring to hermaphrodites I guess transgender is what they "feel" they identify with... i thought they where the same thing for some reason, nobody ever corrected me when I would call the he/she a transgender, I heard them be called both. If that's the case then you're right a boy is a boy a girl is a girl... I know about the estrogen and testosterone levels or whatever, when a baby is in the womb it can turn a boy feminine. But it's still a boy... They don't need special bathrooms.

Now if they have both parts, let them use a different bathroom, maybe in the teachers lounge or something. Confusing situation, but it's all about how much people will tolerate.. Maybe I'll be a lady tomorrow and dress up cause I feel like it, and use the womans bathroom. W t h

originally posted by: Grovit
still, this girl is not a girl. she is a boy

HE is a boy...

originally posted by: HanaDambi

originally posted by: Grovit
still, this girl is not a girl. she is a boy

HE is a boy...

agree.
i was trying to be as sensitive as possible

originally posted by: Grovit
agree.
i was trying to be as sensitive as possible

Really? If that's the case, may I suggest:
1. doing research into what transgender means somewhere besides ATS
2. Use the pronoun she identifies with.

That is being sensitive and respectful.
Insisting that she's a boy is closed-minded and bigoted.

This girl is 14 and most likely has not had any surgery yet, but she's been identifying as a girl since she was two years old. She will likely have reassignment surgery when she is physically mature. And yes, if you really want to be sensitive, the proper pronoun is she/her. If you want to take the stupid old grandpa's position, you can insist that she be called a boy. The grandpa (and many here) clearly has problems accepting those who are different from him.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I think Grovit meant biologically. Since gender and biology are (usually) intertwined, the English language does not have a very elegant way to handle the corner cases.

Also, your profile pic says, "No hate", but you're calling the guy a stupid old grandpa. Some people feel that you should use the restroom that matches your biology, and we should respect that belief. I don't really care one way or the other...the last thing I'm looking for in a restroom is a peek at somone else's plumbing. My only desire is privacy.


The school was really in a no win situation here. If the child uses the girls restroom, someone might sue the school. If they force her to use the boys, she'll sue. They tried to find a workable solution for everyone, and they still got sued.

originally posted by: sdubya
I think Grovit meant biologically.

Grovit can speak for himself. We've had many enjoyable discussions.

Also, your profile pic says, "No hate", but you're calling the guy a stupid old grandpa.

I don't hate the guy. I don't even know him. But I think what he did was stupid. Hatred and stupidity aren't the same.

Some people feel that you should use the restroom that matches your biology, and we should respect that belief.

Some people feel that it's no one's business which restroom one uses. I don't respect a belief or a person that imposes behavior on an individual who is not harming anyone. It's really no one's business what this girl's biological plumbing is like or which restroom she uses.

I don't really care one way or the other...the last thing I'm looking for in a restroom is a peek at somone else's plumbing. My only desire is privacy.

Agreed. I don't care which she uses, but if she identifies as a girl, she should have the freedom to use the restroom that other girls do.

The school was really in a no win situation here.

The school was in violation of the Maine Human Rights Act. They were at fault. That is the law of the state. If anyone sued the school for letting her use the girls' room, they would lose.

They tried to find a workable solution for everyone, and they still got sued.

The solution wasn't workable for everyone.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic


Really? If that's the case, may I suggest:
1. doing research into what transgender means somewhere besides ATS
2. Use the pronoun she identifies with.

That is being sensitive and respectful.
Insisting that she's a boy is closed-minded and bigoted.

If you want to take the stupid old grandpa's position, you can insist that she be called a boy. The grandpa (and many here) clearly has problems accepting those who are different from him.

i think you need to mellow out a bit.
im trying to learn about this because i do not know too much.

i dont have any problem accepting people at all....
i am insisting that she be called a boy because thats what she is...how is that bigoted?

i can identify with being asian and insist people refer to me as asian, but that does not make me asian.
she can indentify all she wants with being a female...more power to her....i said that...maybe you missed it.

in the end though, she is in fact not a girl, but a boy...

you may not agree with these facts but these are the facts....

i would never try to tell her not to live how she wants to live.....i hope she does live how she wants to live.
i can see why she does not want to use the boys restroom too. kids can be cruel and mean...she does not want to put herself through that.
having said that, there might be giirls that are uncomfortable with her using the girls room cause you know, she is not a girl.
why should they be made to feel uncomfortable?

its ok to not want the transgender girl to be uncomfortable by using the boys room right....
then why is it ok to not want other people to be uncomfortable?

she has every right to live how she wants...in the end though, as of that incident, she is a boy. no matter what gender she identifies with, she is a boy....

you dont need to start flipping out cause i have an opinion and am trying to learn about it.
you jump right to calling be a bigot...
thats not cool BH.

fact is there are no unisex bathrooms for the kids.....
she couldnt use the girls room and she didnt want to use the boys room...she could have...didnt want to and i get why she didnt want to...still, the option was there..
so, the school allowed her to use the staff bathroom...

i see no issue besides her(probably her parents) trying to get paid

originally posted by: American-philosopher
We cannot keep catering to everybody.

What is "catering" about letting a girl use the girl's restroom?

And this also smacks of the recent South park episode where Cartman had to use the mens room but all the stalls were full so decided to use the girls bathroom, and then found out the girls bathroom was better so decided to become "transginger" as he called it.

This is NOTHING like that. Cartman was faking. This girl has been identifying as a girl all her life.

But is this what we want for society now I mean do we cater and accommodate the 3% ?

Black people make up 12% of the population. Disabled people make up 12%... Is it really "catering" to them to allow them to use the same facilities and buildings as the other humans?

I mean being different should be celebrated it should be worn as a badge of honor that your different then the rest you don't care what people say that your resilient and you don't need or want special treatment.

That's easy for you or me to say. A 14-year-old transgendered kid who's likely had a fair amount of grief over her "difference"? She feels like a girl using the boy's bathroom. I remember being 14. I wouldn't want to go in the boy's bathroom or locker room...

And what's "special treatment" about using the girls' bathroom with all the other girls?

I don't think people understand... She's a girl. She was just born with her plumbing on the outside instead of the inside. In every other way, she's a girl.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic



Agreed. I don't care which she uses, but if she identifies as a girl, she should have the freedom to use the restroom that other girls do.

this is what i dont agree with.
she is not a girl....you can argue all day about what sex she identifies with....thats fine....she is not a girl though.

just an opinion from a stupid bigot as you so gently put...
thanks

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic


.. Is it really "catering" to them to allow them to use the same facilities and buildings as the other humans?




And what's "special treatment" about using the girls' bathroom with all the other girls?

I don't think people understand... She's a girl. She was just born with her plumbing on the outside instead of the inside. In every other way, she's a girl.

nobody was making her go outside or use a litter box. she had access to a bathroom....

i wouldnt so much call it special treatment but everyone is worried about her rights and comfort level. what about the other girls that have to use that bathroom?
not saying any of them has an issue or is uncomfortable, but what if even just 1 does?
why should that person be uncomfortable using the bathroom.

and i dont understand. i am trying to. i am asking people on here and reading about transgender online....i just dont get it...
she is not a girl...she feels like she is a girl and identifies as a girl but she is not....

she can get other girls pregnant.
she has male parts
she can not get pregnant...

to me, that makes her a boy.

thats my opinion....she should be able to live as a girl all she wants...she can be with another woman. be with a man...whatever makes her happy...
still a boy

originally posted by: Grovit
i think you need to mellow out a bit.
im trying to learn about this because i do not know too much.

I'm all mellow. My suggestions were genuine. I understand that you aren't familiar with it. I have learned that many at ATS don't even know what transgender is, much less understand it.

If you insist on calling her a boy, it's highly disrespectful. I wouldn't say you're bigoted unless you continue to call her a boy even after educating yourself about it.

This is a really good article on gender pronouns, if you're interested.

10 Things You’re Actually Saying When You Ignore Someone’s Gender Pronouns

2. I would rather hurt you repeatedly than change the way I speak about you.
...
6. Offending you is fine if it makes me feel more comfortable.
...
10. I am not an ally, a friend, or someone you can trust.

originally posted by: Grovit
what about the other girls that have to use that bathroom?
not saying any of them has an issue or is uncomfortable, but what if even just 1 does?
why should that person be uncomfortable using the bathroom.

What if you felt uncomfortable drinking from the same water fountain as a black person? Should they be forced to use a different one? This is the same argument used by people to discriminate against minorities for ages.

a reply to: Grovit

what about the other girls that have to use that bathroom?

How would other girls know what kind of plumbing was being used behind a closed bathroom stall door?

........Unless, of course, someone else advertised ahead of time that the "girl" entering the facility wasn't was she seemed to be, underneath, where nobody could see.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

i dont think it is the same thing.

there are gender specific bathrooms for a reason. i understand those reasons especially for children/teens.

separating people by race is nowhere close to the same thing as separating people by gender.

there are all sorts of male only things as well as female only things....

that in itself is not discriminating or bigoted.....

i admit again that i dont understand and dont know that much about this...i just started getting into it last night.
where i am at now is just cause a person identifies as a girl, that does not make them a girl....
i dont see how that can be argued....
of course she should be able to act, dress, feel like a girl....without question.
acting, feeling, dressing like a girl does not make you a girl though....

im just having a hard time understanding.

if i identify as asian....'act' asian(whatever the hell that means)....go deep into the asian culture, etc, that does not make me asian.
someone calling me irish(i am) or caucasian would be the truth because thats what i am..

i really am trying to understand....at this point i just dont

originally posted by: windword

How would other girls know what kind of plumbing was being used behind a closed bathroom stall door?

........Unless, of course, someone else advertised ahead of time that the "girl" entering the facility wasn't was she seemed to be, underneath, where nobody could see.

i dont think it matter how they would know....i dont think how they know matters.
my point ids if they know and if they are not comfortable with it, why should they be forced to accept using the same bathroom?
i mean that is a possibility.

a reply to: Grovit

You're being trolled Grovit...


Everything you've said is spot on mate and people have used comparisons that do not stand.



This is a male, therefor they should use a male toilet or protest for transgender toilets...


I see you've been ignored when asking what if a female identifies as a boy as well...
& the outcome should be the same...

Stick to your guns pal.

You're definitely not a bigot either.

i dont see how having nuts and a penis does not make you a boy apparently, but feeling like a girl makes you a girl.

just dont get it...

thanks for the links BH.


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