Finally saw the full effect of Illegal Immigration in Los Angeles. We're in trouble.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I've lived here for 68 years. My dad used to take me jack rabbit hunting in Fox Hills. Torrance was dairy farms. You could own horses in Inglewood.

A LOT has changed in Los Angekes. There's more people of all kinds.

Ethnic groups lived in their own areas. They didn't mingle much before the Fair Housing act.

Mexicans could come and go across the border, visit family, go shopping etc. There were work programs that bussed Mexicans from the border to jobs and back again. I don't remember hearing the term Illegal Alien.

Then some politician, in Texas I think. Ran on the platform of Ilkegals taking American jobs. Everything went to hell after that.

Kind of like North snd South Korea ---- families were being divided. They could no longer go back and forth. Work programs and migrant worker programs were shut down. If you can no longer visit your family --- your only option is to keep them with you.

It's been a long process. Stuff doesn't just happen overnight.

It's funny you mention the areas you did.

I grew up in the LAX area. I ran those exact hills with my bike as a kid. My Aunt worked for Hughes Aircraft below that hill when it was there. And Inglewood, right next door as you know, used to be a majority black neighborhood.

Guess who kicked them out and took over?

Take a wild guess? Have you been their recently?

Kicked who out? First you have white flight moving westward.

Guess what happens when you hit the ocean. You either "cross the pond" or turn around and start moving back eastward. Inglewood went from white to black to a mix. Inglewood always had a Mexican area.

Del Amo Mall was being taken over by Samoans (let's introduce a new group) ---- until there was a serious crackdown, increase in security, and a dress code enforced.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
I grew up at Hollywood Park.

Small World..

Hollywood Park? That is no more?

Should I ask?

originally posted by: Commonlaw
a reply to: FyreByrd

Or maybe they should learn English. If you go to Mexico. you are required to learn their language. What is going on here is that this is by design. It's part of how to tear a country down. There is a laundry list of ways to take a country down. Illegal drugs filling the country, pornography, mass immigration, heavy drinking, get people out of the churches, entertain people with nonsense. Getting a clue yet? Besides we need more taxpayers and people to fill all the new jail cells with. Why not illegal Mexicans?

I really don't think there is any such requirement in Mexico. I were I to move there legally or illegally I would do my best to learn the local dialect. That said, I would still me drawn to others that spoke my mother tongue, especially being older and having to work extra hard at it (as I've said, I'm not good with languages but I do try).

Which is maybe another point worth considering, many who come here are older when it is more difficult to learn a new language. They do their best but will never be fluent as I would never be fluent in Spanish and would want to speak with others that I could understand and be understood easily. And this is true for documented immigrants as well.

originally posted by: JohnPhoenix

originally posted by: FyreByrd

Better learn to speak Spanish.

That's the most Un-American thing I have ever heard.

I'm all for putting these people in a big box and they cannot come out to take the citizenship test until they learn English.

Heck, if they are here illegally the first words I'll teach them is Deportation. They can go back into the box to learn English once they get here legally.

You mean 'un-US citizen' don't you. American's after all include Canadians, Mexicans, Salvadorians, and all other people of the Americas.

And as I recall - dissent is allowed under our founding documents - true, it's under tremendous attack - but it's still on the books (now videing police has become a crime but that's another thread).

originally posted by: FyreByrd

Which is maybe another point worth considering, many who come here are older when it is more difficult to learn a new language. They do their best but will never be fluent as I would never be fluent in Spanish and would want to speak with others that I could understand and be understood easily. And this is true for documented immigrants as well.

Right. Children learn English in school, through their friends, etc. But, they don't pay the bills, or drive the car, or do the shopping.

Most places still have ethnic communities with their own business. Immigrants can live in an ethnic community and never have any real need to learn English.

Phoenix, AZ has a huge Chinese community. A lot of Chinese come across the southern border.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

PLEASE include the legal system and REMOVE admiralty LAW for a jury based model as well.

a reply to: bigman88

I agree completely,i was IN it doing it as well.

Well, all I have to say is, if you come to my reservation, or at least drive through it on your way to somewhere else, hope you can speak a bit of Lakota if you want to understand what some folks are saying because here in America, many natives still speak our languages. We are 500 + nations and proud. Hate to break it to ya, but English is not the native language here. It must be difficult watching white privilege enjoyed by so many generations take a back seat. I don't know.

With that said, this native woman believes that our borders need to be protected, and immigration, legal. Yes, we are a nation built on the backs of immigrants, but we should still follow the laws that are set in place to protect American citizens. I have no problem if you want to come here legally and set up little Havana for yourselves. Just do it legally, with dignity and pride.

originally posted by: Tatanka
I have no problem if you want to come here legally and set up little Havana for yourselves. Just do it legally, with dignity and pride.

Easy to say and, of course, the correct sentiment.

But, there's extreme desperation in sending a child off with strangers to try to give that child a chance at a better life.

Or crossing a desert where hundreds of bodies are found every year.

Desperate people do desperate things. Would I? I don't know.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

ZOMG Racist Racist Racist..you hate Mexicans!!!

Wait....

Lol I know my kids are half Mexican right I gotta have hate in there somewhere!
:-)
At one point we had over 900 people working for us, most were illegals. The people who come legally wait so many years to get in the paperwork is stupid, they lose it and year after year you have to keep redoing the same stuff. The people who come illigal are better off now then those trying so hard to do it right...how is that right in any way!

a reply to: Tatanka

Actually I 'm happy you made it,don't know about the skin crap anyway,and NOW the 7th Cav is your unit too,as we think you are part of America as well.

I can't tell the difference anyway.

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Char-Lee

And I am saying that your opinion is ill formed because it takes from an improper sampling size. And actually what you are trying to do is generalize an entire minority class based on the experiences with a few. A lot of people recognize that as racism.

A lot of people who don't spend much time in thought might recognize stating facts of ones own experience as racism.

A lot people don't generalize whole races of people based on experiences with one family either. If you can't see how that can be construed as racism, then you, my friend, are lost. For the record I'm not trying to imply you are racist, just that you need to reevaluate your thinking.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Oh? I didn't know living near illegals made you an expert in immigration law. I would have thought one would have to actually study law to acquire that knowledge, but apparently you have found the golden goose of learning, learning through osmosis.

For the record, subjective experiences rarely ever ally with traits of the general population. At most, you have good knowledge of how the illegal population behaves in LA, but the experiences with illegals in Houston, may be vastly different.

I lived in Houston, and it was pretty much the same. And I lived in New Mexico, and it was pretty much the same. And I live in Chicago, and its pretty much the same.

Maybe you should accept people's personal experience as fact rather than trying to minimize it as unrepresentative of the larger population when it is very obviously an ongoing trend that should not be ignored.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Who, exactly, is in trouble?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I lived in Houston, and it was pretty much the same. And I lived in New Mexico, and it was pretty much the same. And I live in Chicago, and its pretty much the same.

Maybe you should accept people's personal experience as fact rather than trying to minimize it as unrepresentative of the larger population when it is very obviously an ongoing trend that should not be ignored.

The same as what?

What are you looking at? How are you looking at it?

a reply to: Tatanka

I say more power to you.
By all means keep your mother tongue alive.
It has a rich history and should not be allowed to die.
Humanity as a whole would lose something if it did die.

But, "white privilage"?
Really?
You do realise that "white people" have many different langauges right?

a reply to: Annee

What am I looking at?

Ummm....The topic of the thread....the magnitude of the influx of illegal aliens and its impact on the economy, medical/hospital efficiency, safety, and sacrificing the American ideals and belief system, etc, and the fact that it is happening in nearly every major city in the US.

How am I looking at it?

Intelligently.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows

But, "white privilage"?
Really?
You do realise that "white people" have many different langauges right?

Yeah, I have an issue with lumping all Native Americans together -- as if they're a single culture.

They're not.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Annee

What am I looking at?

Ummm....The topic of the thread....the magnitude of the influx of illegal aliens and its impact on the economy, medical/hospital efficiency, safety, and sacrificing the American ideals and belief system, etc, and the fact that it is happening in nearly every major city in the US.

How am I looking at it?

Intelligently.

That's exactly how I thought you chose to look at it.

Perspective fascinates me.