European Union Conspiracy - Britain on the Brink

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: pikestaff
The UK paid 18.6 Billion pounds to the EU last year, leaving would obviously save that amount, what Britain earns from exports to the EU I have no idea, what money comes back from the EU general fund, I don't know either, I will have to do some Googling this morning.

Europe needs the UK market - more so than the UK needs Europe.
We're not voting for EU membership here, we're voting for the continuation of Britain or the end of Britain.
Interestingly it's Scotland that will probably decide the vote given the closeness of opinion in England and Wales - they may well get their wish of conquering England after all, albeit through their European allies.

Christ now we want to Conquer England. That's a new one.

Yep, it seems that there is nothing that we will not try and blame on you pesky Scot's.

James IV ? Did he not try to invade England?
The Anglo-Scottish wars were not all as one sided as the Scots would have everyone believe these days.

Maybe there should be two votes - one for Scotland and one for the rest of the UK
That way Scotland could fulfill a age old dream of being part of France

What I don't get in all this, is Cameron's dire warnings about leaving.
We'll get invaded, there will be plagues of frogs and nasty creepy things, we'll lose all trade (do we actually make anything any more?), night will become day and the bankers will all flee to another foreign capital - which is something I'd actually cheer about and volunteer to kick their arses as they boarded the ferry (or private jets).

However, in his "get tough" negotiations, to get us a better deal, he threatened to get us out if we didn't get concessions, and that was all fine and dandy!

Left unsaid by most, especially the mainstream media, is the general feeling of deep dissatisfaction across Europe with the whole seedy lot of them in Brussels. The way they go on, you'd get the impression that it's all down to a minority of whiny Brits, rather than a rapidly increasing majority across most, if not all, member states. I think the UK exit would rapidly be followed by others demanding the chance to tell the criminal kleptocrats in Brussels to go take a hike too.

a reply to: UKTruth

Europe needs the UK market - more so than the UK needs Europe.

Longer term economic indicators such as the CAPE seem to show the UK FTSE to be a bargain at just 12.

Shorter term the spring 2016 price to earnings ratio of the FTSE 100 was running close to 30 while the rest of Europe markets with the exception of Italy is closer to 15.

www.starcapital.de...

Asian markets had the lowest P/E with China at 5.5.

Here in the states our Dow Jones P/E is 21.59 with an 8% drop in earnings forecast near term.

The public doesn't seem to notice these fluctuations, most just reinvest their dividends.
Won't be till the public reads their quarterly retirement account statements that anyone notices a trend.

When is the vote?

originally posted by: Britguy
What I don't get in all this, is Cameron's dire warnings about leaving.
We'll get invaded, there will be plagues of frogs and nasty creepy things, we'll lose all trade (do we actually make anything any more?), night will become day and the bankers will all flee to another foreign capital - which is something I'd actually cheer about and volunteer to kick their arses as they boarded the ferry (or private jets).

However, in his "get tough" negotiations, to get us a better deal, he threatened to get us out if we didn't get concessions, and that was all fine and dandy!

Left unsaid by most, especially the mainstream media, is the general feeling of deep dissatisfaction across Europe with the whole seedy lot of them in Brussels. The way they go on, you'd get the impression that it's all down to a minority of whiny Brits, rather than a rapidly increasing majority across most, if not all, member states. I think the UK exit would rapidly be followed by others demanding the chance to tell the criminal kleptocrats in Brussels to go take a hike too.

Agreed - i think if Britain exit then the rest of the EU countries will follow.
At the moment a few men, un-elected, are clinging on to control of the EU - the problem is they wield enough power to punish and have threatened a market crash if we do leave. It might come down to whether the British public have the stomach for a fight, because even if the vote is to leave, it won't be the end of it.

a reply to: UKTruth

Agree wholeheartedly! If the vote is to exit, they'll close ranks and try to make things very hard indeed, just out of spite and to prove the point that it was a "mistake". I think this is something a lot of people are fearful of and would rather we stayed in and maintained the status quo as a result, but we just can't go on being dictated to by Brussels, or elsewhere!

I saw a piece on FB earlier today, pushing the remain line, due to things like employment and environmental protections pushed down from Brussels, the idea being that if we exit, all that will be lost. Do these people not realize that we are in a position to make the government, whoever it may be, protect these things?

originally posted by: Britguy
a reply to: UKTruth
I saw a piece on FB earlier today, pushing the remain line, due to things like employment and environmental protections pushed down from Brussels, the idea being that if we exit, all that will be lost. Do these people not realize that we are in a position to make the government, whoever it may be, protect these things?

Are the EU employment rights not written into UK law already?
If so, then a government would actually have to remove them from law, which would make the government very unpopular indeed.

If the EU employment rights are not written into UK law already, then I guess that would make our political parties put the good and sensible EU policies into their manifesto's.

So in conclusion, if we leave the EU, I can't see us losing much of the sensible good stuff to be honest.

a reply to: 83Liberty
EU law is written into UK legislation. It would be interesting to unpick, but doubtful it would be a retrograde step e.g. employment law. The simplest approach would be a bill to retain reference to EU legislation as UK law is updated and realigned to a post-EU world.

The video shows an interesting point on how the EU is trying to turn the UK into 12 regions. We already have evidence of this. Not only the national assembly's in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland but there is also talk of further devolution of powers to regions within England, such as the North East and North West. This wouldn't be a bad thing if we Leave the EU but if we Remain, and the EU's plan is true, then you can wave good bye to any real democracy.

I just don't understand why our successive governments have continually handed power over to the EU. No government should be able to give away OUR powers to unelected bureaucrats that we can't vote for or even remove.

The EU is a one party state. A few faces change now and then, but the journey and end goal of the EU will only ever go in one direction... The United States of Europe.

Why do we need to surrender our democracy in order to stay attached to a declining trade block when every other continent in the World is growing and would very much like to do more business with us!
Yet we can't sign our own free trade agreements with them...

I just dont see the conspiracy. The nation State has been coming to the end of its purposefulness, when the world has become so connected and so reliant on each other, we all rely on each other these days. `The nation state has been losing its power to deal with large corporations that are now much more wealthy and powerful than most nation states are on their own. so we have to decide if we want to be at the whim of powerful corporations dominating our lives and political structure or larger nation state unions

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I just dont see the conspiracy. The nation State has been coming to the end of its purposefulness, when the world has become so connected and so reliant on each other, we all rely on each other these days. `The nation state has been losing its power to deal with large corporations that are now much more wealthy and powerful than most nation states are on their own. so we have to decide if we want to be at the whim of powerful corporations dominating our lives and political structure or larger nation state unions

Did you watch the video section that covered this point?

Even our children are getting brain washed...

The Committee on Culture and Education adopted the own-initiative report by Damian DRĂGHICI (S&D, RO), entitled ‘Learning EU at school’.

According to a 2014 Eurobarometer opinion poll, 44 % of European Union citizens feel that they have limited understanding of how the EU works and 52 % of Europeans believe that their voice does not count in the EU: only 42.61 % of EU citizens, and only 27.8 % of 18-24 year-olds, voted in the last European Parliament elections.

Members considered that an insufficient knowledge about the EU and poor understanding of its concrete added value might contribute to the perception of a democratic deficit and lead to widespread Euroscepticism. In order to tackle the growing gap between the voice of European citizens and the EU institutions, the report recommended the following:

A European dimension in education: Members emphasised that a EU dimension in education is crucial to help citizens better understand – and reconnect them with – the EU. An EU dimension in education should enable learners not only to acquire knowledge and develop a sense of belonging and European citizenship skills, but also to engage in a critical reflection on the EU, through learning about EU fundamental values, based on the rule of law and human rights, EU governance and decision-making processes.

Members encouraged the use of European Youth Parliament role-play games to help children and students understand the European processes and raise their awareness of European issues.

The report made the following recommendations, inter alia:
- the EU should be more visible, and better integrated, in teaching materials and extracurricular activities;
- active and participative teaching methods should be tailored to learners’ age, and levels, exploiting fully the opportunities offered by the information and communication technologies and the media, including social media;
- teachers should be provided with appropriate support and resources in order to enable them to incorporate an EU dimension into their teaching;
- multi-lingual and intercultural competences of educators should be promoted and encouraged, as well as mobility opportunities, peer-to-peer learning and exchanges of best practices among teaching staff, for instance through the organisation of European-level seminars;
- options for specialised qualification courses within universities should be provided.

Stressing the importance and the potential of a European approach to the teaching of history, Members called on the Commission and the Member States to support history societies and centres for historical research, in order to highlight the value of their scientific contribution to European history and their role in keeping schoolteachers up to date.

The role of the Union: in this regard, the report asked the Commission to:
- continue its support for efforts to develop and promote an EU dimension in education as well as the mobility of educational actors;
- actively disseminate information – including information on relevant funding opportunities and available studies and reports – to key stakeholders and citizens;
- provide a common framework, and to prepare guidelines with concrete examples, for learning about the EU, while respecting Member States' competence in the field of education and training;
- encourage further research to ascertain how the EU is currently taught in schools across Europe, and how it features in curricula and exams;
- facilitate networks that promote learning about the EU at national, regional and local level, as well as exchanges of best practice between these networks at Union level;
- ensure increased and adequate financial support for Erasmus+, Europe for Citizens and Creative Europe, which play an important role in strengthening European citizenship;
- monitor closely the impact of all EU programmes on developing participants’ sense of citizenship and civic participation.

The report highlighted the role that the information offices of the European institutions play in fostering relations with educational institutions, and with youth organisations and media, in order to bring them closer to each other and to ensure that young people understand the role the institutions play in their daily lives.

The role of Member States: the latter were asked to:
- support, and update their education systems with a view to strengthening the EU dimension in close collaboration with all relevant actors, while strongly encouraging regions and local authorities to do the same;
- support all possibilities of conveying more information about the EU to learners as well as to teachers and other educators through formal, non-formal and informal learning;
- take further action to promote intercultural, non-discriminatory and inclusive education and citizenship values in school and university curricula;
- involve migrants, refuges and faith communities in respectful and empowering citizenship-building processes, ensuring their participation in civic and cultural life;
- acknowledge and support social partners and civil society organisations, in particular youth organisations, in bridging the gap between the EU institutions and the European citizens.

The report asked Member States to encourage high-quality training on EU topics for teachers, by allowing them to spend part of their training in another Member State, and by ensuring the recognition of their qualification to teach about the EU, for example by creating and promoting a ʻEuro Teacherʼ label award.

Source

So not only does the EU have a flag, anthem, police force, currency, army etc it now want's it's own teachers, dubbed the 'Euro Teachers'.

For me it boils down to whether I want to be part of the United states of Europe or not.

I think the theory is great - we all work together for the better blah blah, but then communism in theory is pretty good too if everybody was actually equal.

I look around the world and throughout history for examples of civilisations growing too big and the ruling class inevitably grabs more and more and wealth while oppressing their citizens more and more until finally they fall apart from within - normally due to internal fighting between elite camps, which in turn sometimes causes a revolution.

I have heard nothing but fear from the stay in camp - this MAY happen, that COULD happen blah blah.

Well guess what it may NOT happen or it MAY/COULD work out better.

Still not 100% sure of my vote but certainly leaning out at the moment.

originally posted by: johnb
For me it boils down to whether I want to be part of the United states of Europe or not.

This is the key part which most people in this country just don't realise!

Just like in 1975. People thought they were voting for trade only, not a political union.

originally posted by: johnb
For me it boils down to whether I want to be part of the United states of Europe or not.

I think the theory is great - we all work together for the better blah blah, but then communism in theory is pretty good too if everybody was actually equal.

I look around the world and throughout history for examples of civilisations growing too big and the ruling class inevitably grabs more and more and wealth while oppressing their citizens more and more until finally they fall apart from within - normally due to internal fighting between elite camps, which in turn sometimes causes a revolution.

I have heard nothing but fear from the stay in camp - this MAY happen, that COULD happen blah blah.

Well guess what it may NOT happen or it MAY/COULD work out better.

Still not 100% sure of my vote but certainly leaning out at the moment.

Just look at the United States of America as an example. More and more the States are having their power diluted over time as it is transferred to the Federal level. The federal govt of Europe will be our new masters - and they wont even be elected.

What worries me about leaving the EU is that Britain has become so dependant on trade with the EU and through the EU Countries that we are no longer a self sustainable Country the timing is all wrong in my opinion.

The Manchester United bomb threat seems to be being played down somewhat - apparently a fake bomb left behind from a training exercise? I wonder are officials anxious over brexit and want to avoid any perception of threat before 23rd June?

Manchester United match - fake bomb?

Given that the army had to carry out a controlled explosion I am having difficulty believing that this was a fake bomb 'left behind by a security firm'. I would have to assume that any fake device would be properly labelled, tagged, or identifiable in some way. Why the need for the controlled explosion???

The EU leadership is insane and might soon be replaced by a military-intelligence soup, as the current political elite shows more and more fanatical tendencies towards suicidal! Will their sickness mean the demise of the EU kommissars!