Trillion Dollar Conspiracy... 9/11 Mounting Evidence...

a reply to: Flatcoat Actually we do know that from witnesses.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: SyxPak. Magically came down? The FDNY, took one look at the damage that WTC 7 suffered when WTC1 collapsed into it and said that it was probably going to collapse too.

The FDNY took one look at the blown out lobby of building 7 BEFORE either tower came down, and had to think to themselves, that is not good.

And then after seeing the entire area obliterated by the most insane demolition ever seen, it is natural indeed that they figured something more was going to come down.

You conveniently believe them in this instance, but deny everything else they stated on that day? Such as nothing was right about the whole situation? Things blowing up inside the towers nowhere NEAR any damage, people being found DEAD in many areas of the building , you know, the firefighters written testimonies of that day, the ones that have now been SCRUBBED ENTIRELY from the internet.

Too bad I read all of them back in 2003, I wont forget what I read, and how it fits the VIDEO EVIDENCE, and NONE of it fits the official story fed to us.

Sure would be nice if we could have those testimonies freely online again, most of you wouldn't stomach what they wrote, you would be sickened to your core as I was....poor bastards.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
the ones that have now been SCRUBBED ENTIRELY from the internet.

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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

These things have been been debunked time and time again. It seems every couple of years, someone retreads these theories. It's unfortunate and kind of pathetic what the 911 truthers keep hashing out over and over.

I think it's important to establish a consensus that 1 & 2 COULD have been collapsed by the loaded jets impact and subsequent fire in an already-weakened structure. I believe they could fall from that.

I read the objective of people here is to use planned demolition as PROOF of a large conspiracy. Personally, I think there is enough evidence OUTSIDE the demo analysis to further the truth about what happened that day. It's not a waste of time, but if you agree the planes could have done it, then it makes sense to move to greener pastures in order to accrue the totality of evidence.

a reply to: ParasuvO The FDNY testimonies are still online and none of them support your idea of 7's lobby being " blown out" before the Towers fell.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Flatcoat Actually we do know that from witnesses.

What witness would that be? If your referring to all the explosions in the lower levels, then that's just a theory. I find it a little hard to believe that this jet fuel somehow managed to escape the initial fireball, then find the only elevator that ran the entire length of the building, fall down, explode on the mechanical level, fall some more, explode in the lobby, then continue down for a last blast in the basement sub-level. And people call "conspiracy theories" crazy.....

a reply to: Flatcoat There were more than one elevator shaft running through all 110 stories. Then there were also witnesses to the fireballs that left behind jet fuel odors. Then.....you seem to be stepping off on the Willie Rodriguez train....

a reply to: ParasuvO

A TON of that scrubbed evidence can be found with the Wayback Machine. Since you have to enter a site in the search engine and can't just enter a topic, just enter the name of a site that you remember covering 9/11 truth back in the day, then start from there, using names of sites they provide links to. It's pretty interesting.


I won't add to the many already sound arguments laid out, but I've been thinking of one thing in particular lately; the few video frames released of the pentagon crash. As I recall there were many, many surveillance tapes confiscated from various establishments in the area in order to aid in the investigation. Why were only a few frames from one of them released, not even showing the plane? Doesn't the pentagon itself have every inch on 24/7 video surveillance? Why not just release some video showing the plane? That would shut these 'conspiracy wackos' up pretty quick.

I don't know exactly what happened that day, but I'm about %70 sure building 7 was a controlled demolition and %100 sure that at the very least 9/11 was aloud to happen in order to propagate the fascist tactics needed to maintain hegemony and squash dissidents.


Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[15]

- Project For The New American Century -- written in 2000

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

Then.....you seem to be stepping off on the Willie Rodriguez train....

Lol! The guy who was called a hero for saving peoples lives, given an award and everything. Then made the mistake of telling people what actually happened in the basement that day and BAM! Suddenly he's a loony. There are more witnesses to what happened in the sub-levels that day, not just poor old Willie. He was just the most public, so of course, he got painted with the target.

And only the freight elevator ran from the impact zone to the basement...

a reply to: Flatcoat Try paying attention. I said elevator SHAFTS, the design of the Towers was such that while elevators may not have ran the length of the building, most of the shafts, did. Then Willie. The day of 9/11, and for quite a while after it, his account spoke of noises and vibrations as us someone was moving furniture on the floors above. After the "truth" movement started, his story changed to explosions shattering the drywall in his office, knocking the ceiling and the lights down, tossing people across the room.... As soon as he could start being paid for his story....he changes his story.

a reply to: humanityrising No, the Pentagon did not have continuous coverage of every inch. There were significant gaps in the camera coverage. And, the "confiscated" videos.. I believe that the FBI had 85-87....MOST of them were from New York. I wish I knew which idiot started the story that they were all from the Pentagon.

Let's not forget the huge gold reserves stolen from the basement during the chaos above. Were it not for the very last armored car full of gold getting pinned by debris and left abandoned in the basement, we would have never known. If questioned about it they would have just said the gold was pulverized under the massive force of the collapse and/or melted from the heat.
From the Tim Russert video at the end it really shows how our mainstream news knowingly plays a part in deceiving the public.Rather than investigate the obvious holes in the official narrative and ask the questions people want the answers to, they knowingly feed us # in order to herd the sheeple into the right state of mind they need us in to support their criminal activities abroad and at home.Of course our support is given under false pretenses,based on lies, but to them the end justifies the means.I use to like Russert,(rip) until i seen this footage and realized he knew the truth about 911. Believe me hes not the only one.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

For a start you can probably climb down off your high horse and stop telling me to "pay attention", and secondly the shafts didn't run the full length. The towers were designed in three sections to prevent a "chimney" effect in case of a fire.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

What does it matter if there was a 3-5 seconds more than free fall?

So the truther claim of a 10 sec collapse was a big deal but NOW a 30-50% difference in collapse time is not important just If your WAGES were under payed by 30-50% I am sure that would be a big deal, if your energy cost's jumped 30-50% that would be a big deal.

The problem is people get to caught up on this and repeat claims they have read because they appear to be true it was always OBVIOUS to anybody that REALLY looked at the videos the collapse was not free fall speed, it was OBVIOUS to anybody that the collapse was NOT only caused by the fire yet how often is that still stated by people on here, it's OBVIOUS to anybody with a REAL education and background in construction that ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE dynamic loads are generated by falling structures.

That is important!!!

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
LOL - the laws of physics and reality were suspended that day - nothing like it before or since has (or will) occur and in my opinion, entities within the US shadow government attacked New York and the Pentagon on 11th September 2001 and blamed others so they could attack and control vital Oil reserves and implement fractal reserve banking and consequential economics.

19 Saudi hijackers evaded the most sophisticated security in the world, had NORAD scratching their heads wondering if the whole damn thing was real or fake, which was apparently fake so they were stood-down.

About an hour between the planes hitting tower 1 and tower 2, then a couple of hours later they both collapse, then another tower not hit by a plane collapsed......because it was on fire.

Passport found in the rubble, black boxes still missing, OBL named within an hour as the main perpetrator, Pentagon hit by a missile.

Patriot Act ink was still wet when rolled out, then Afghanistan was freed, and pipeline plans formalized, and poppy fields taken over.

I could go on but you get the picture.

Agree 100%..... Looks like many people no longer believe the official story to me. I remember when a news crew tried to show debris from the Shanksville plane crash, I believe it was a woman reporter from either nbc or cbs, she was shut down immediately, and all the videos taken down. I did get to see what looked like large chunks of plain everywhere. That's all we got to see before she was made to leave the scene......have never found that particular video since.......also shady was the FBI going around collecting videos or surveillance cameras from the surrounding stores & businesses of the pentagon, & also people's own videos who got great shots of the towers.......shame.....

a reply to: fartsmeller46 The truck, that was found was part of a REGULARLY SCHEDULED transfer. ALL gold and silver, was accounted for and transferred to its rightful owners. Some folks have watched the third Die Hard movie one too many times......

a reply to: Flatcoat www.911myths.com...

Learn something for once. And, no, I think I will stay in the saddle, on my high horse. Especially when it comes to smashing the illusions that truthers believe in.

a reply to: j.r.c.b.. You think some of us have forgotten what happened that day....after you quote a post that is full of inaccurate statements?

a reply to: stosh64

So, let's see, where were we..

Ah, yes. Folks in here convinced me - by providing evidence thereof - that the exoskeleton was pulled inwards and so it MUST have been the core that collapsed, pulling the exoskeleton in over the trusses. We can see the North Tower's antenna sink into the roof, while the edges of the roof haven't moved yet.

So the first thing that went were the core columns. To be honest, I'm puzzled by it, as the antenna was supported by a special truss that spanned the building (the hat truss). What amazes me is that the antenna almost exactly went down vertically and did not fall over. That means that the hat truss that was connected to it also went down almost vertically. I'd expect the antenna to fall over to one side as one wall (the impact wall) had been damaged so you'd expect the antenna to topple over in that direction. But it did not.

Anyway - we can clearly see the core collapsed, can we all agree on that? And we also can see something strange: the part of the building above the impact floors collapsed into itself. So, we have a core that collapses, but only the upper half (the part above the impact floors). Then something else happens: magically the rest of the core also collapses, part by part, until nothing is left.

Let's investigate a theory that may explain this. Please note that I'm not saying this gentleman is correct (he might be, I don't know). But he presents some materials of interest. Maybe we can continue our civilised conversation and maybe come to some kind of conclusion.