Trillion Dollar Conspiracy... 9/11 Mounting Evidence...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Your derogatory attitude aside, what exactly are you saying?

Do you think those pages have evidence of explosives? Maybe evidence Bush ordered the attack?

Just trying to understand what you are trying to say, other than the obvious OS'ers are idiots innuendo.

Please expand for us the reason for that post.

a reply to: stosh64

Considering "truthers" have been labelled brainwashed & mentally ill in this thread...
You get what you give...



Read the post...
It's pretty clear what we "truthers" want...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

If you would check my posts I try not to slander any side. I do point out lies but I believe we all should.

So I have not given anything, yet I am getting this from you. ok

Maybe I am a little slow, but what do "you truthers" want?

You still didn't answer my question about why you brought up the "missing pages"

What do you believe is in them? Since none of us know.

All I want is truth.
Peace

originally posted by: lexyghot

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

Do you really think an educational institute is going to publish a paper that goes against status quo?

They obviously do, otherwise science would never advance.

And remain "respectable"?

Of course! New science needs strong proof, but when a paper is written that introduces new theories, all it needs to do is present strong evidence that stands up against inquiry and testing.

It happens all the time.

9/11 research for the OS has nothing to do with science or truth, it is about career survival.

Wrong.

Read the NIST report if you think it is about science. It was an opinion with opinion based data and many disclosers of limited liability. Read it.

Of course it has disclaimers.

Their analysis was done with the best tools and info available, but it is not a guarantee that they are 100% correct.

For instance, the NIST report on WTC1 states that the ext column pull in was the first visible sign of global collapse, and so that was the initiating event. However, they also mention that core columns were at their absolute maximum load capacity in the moments before visible movement, and that core column buckling may have been the initating factor. But they weren't sure of that and so they don't hypothesize it.

However, there have been examinations of extremely high res videos that suggest that indeed, the core columns buckled a few moments prior to the ext columns visibly being pulled in, so that has a higher probability now.

But, what does it change?

Impact and fire damage caused the collapse.

The end.

Dont make me regret replying to you lexy. Be civil...

The video I posted a couple of pages back at 50:48 shows the west side of the WTC 2 Apushed outward. So if south east is pulling in and the west is pushing out, it would seem we have a load shift that is NOT described in the NIST report.

Did you see that section of the video I posted?

a reply to: stosh64

I didn't aim it at you pal...



As for what's in it... Who knows... Besides Bush & Cheney...


Why I asked... People can't claim to adhere to the "official story" when a lot of it isn't even public knowledge...

To say they get spoon fed by the media and lying politicians is an understatement...


"Truthers" may not have the whole story...
I don't claim to...
OSers have already come to a conclusion that nothing nefarious happened...


Give us the 28 pages and prove it.

a reply to: olaru12 ........which numbers them with the thousands of people who celebrated that day. You don't think that after a decade of the US telling Israel how to respond/not respond to acts of terrorism that maybe there were some who were relieved to finally see US learn what its like to have acts of terror in our country? Or maybe you did not pay attention to mid east issues in the 80s and 90s...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs What is in the redacted pages does not change the facts that Muslim terrorists working for Osama Bin Laden, hijacked four airliners, crashed them into three buildings, which destroyed several other buildings as well and killed thousands. What it does contain, is evidence showing that shirt sleeve members of the Saudi Royal family had connections to OBL....some of whom, have died in tragic accidents over the last thirteen years. We needed Saudi support, THEY took care of certain individuals for us.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I'm sensing a lot of tension. Take a deep breath.

I agree we should have it, I don't trust our government any more than you.

Steve

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

What it does contain, is evidence showing that shirt sleeve members of the Saudi Royal family had connections to OBL...

& I'm sure you have something to back all of that post up?


No...


Thought not.

a reply to: stosh64

No tension pal.

originally posted by: smurfy


Yes he did say that. This is my cue to wheel out my favourite Loony Toon, where that person wishes...almost, to do his own indulging in the theme of conspiracy.

This is a perfect example of peoples confirmation bias.
He could have very easily *almost* said "concerted effort" and in the context of what he was saying, it would have made much more sense.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: olaru12 ........which numbers them with the thousands of people who celebrated that day. You don't think that after a decade of the US telling Israel how to respond/not respond to acts of terrorism that maybe there were some who were relieved to finally see US learn what its like to have acts of terror in our country? Or maybe you did not pay attention to mid east issues in the 80s and 90s...

Or maybe you are grasping at straws and need to review this....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

see anything about strawman arguments in there?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Malbosia you really need to do more research, that dust is not just sheetrock, it's sprayed on fire protection,concrete from floors, vermiculite, general dust from uncleaned areas, glass, smoke particles etc.

ONE thing it's not is a concrete core!!!!!!!

a reply to: olaru12 Grasping at straws? Not by a long shot, I am merely stating what has been said by some Israelis.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs I do. It's called a history book. You would be amazed at just how little of those "redacted" pages had not already reached public domain....provided you paid attention and knew where to look.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

So you have nothing to back it up...


Not even a biased source...


Not a mention of or single name of these Saudis that were "taken care of"...



That's some convincing rhetoric & conjecture you wasted thread space with...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs I have played this game long enough to know that even if I handed you the 28 pages and they confirmed exactly what I posted (the shirt sleeve relative part) and showed you the newspaper stories about accidents and banishments, you would STILL deny it. Do your own research.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

All you have to do is admit you have nothing to back it up...


You'll earn some respect...



It's also good not to assume that I would disagree...
Just more conjecture....


Nothing concrete (pun intended)!

a reply to: wmd_2008

really??







I don't recall saying it was the concrete core. I remember theorizing that they are the floor slabs. And I recall asking you to find me some photos of the q-decking or metal floor pans in the rubble. You posted a pic from 100 feet away from the pile and told me to find it myself.

I will ask again. Find me a floor pan in the rubble.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

However, on topic, maybe you'd like to share what else may have caused the collapse of it wasn't Fire alone...
Instead of slagging off the video, add something to the hypothesis.

Structural damage because of the impact,loss of sprayed on fire protection, loading above impact points.

North Tower was hit first but fell second due to smaller load above impact points , you may not know that until 9/11 that thermal loading due to fire was not calculated for, wind load, dead loads & other loadings were covered in great detail only basic assumptions were mad with regard to thermal loadings caused by fire.

Seismic design relies on modelling, risk analysis and changes to the structural stiffness. Wind design relies on additional structural members and wind tunnel tests. Current fire design relies on very simple, single element tests and adding insulating material to the frame. Thermal induced forces are not calculated or designed for.

Obviously that changed after 9/11