Rapper facing life in prison... because there's a gun on his album cover

So America is fallen to new lows almost every week......
Why not start with the HA and see just how far you get with eradicating gangs?
The prosecutor coming up for re election maybe?
The law says this is straight up bullship.
Too bad one couldn't prosecute for oppression.......but the legal system is far from equal...

originally posted by: Kandinsky

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Phage

He is lucky that is a Jury I am unable to be on. No sympathy for me. Plus I just had Jury duty anyways.

Seeing as you've made your mind up from media hearsay, I wholeheartedly agree that he's very lucky indeed.

Nope, you misunderstood. He is not proven guilty. Some people may have trouble with the connection the law establishes, and though he is proven guilty, they may let him go. I would have no sympathy, if the charges were proven I would cast the vote. If the charges were not proven then despite my opinion about him and his "friends" he can not be found guilty.

i really dont have an issue cause well, he's a blood so, he's a dirt bag...
i see the connection to the cd and the gang profiting.....

what i dont understand is.....

if theyre going aftet this guy, why didnt they go after say, snoop dog.....depending on who you talk to, snoop either was, or is a crip.

i thought once you joined a gang like the bloods or crips, you were in for life....he has talked about being a crip in loads of his songs...
genius.com...
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I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that
Da Big Boss Dogg, yeah I had to do that
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side

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what about the damn cd bloods vs crips??

the cd was called banging on wax.....a collab between both gangs...this song is piru love

bloods called themelves piru.....some dumb ass gang thing cause piru = crip in reverse with the c on its back



i just want to know why some of it is apparently ok while some of it not....

hiphopwired.com...

“Me personally, I feel like if you banging outside of California, stay there cause if you come back to California where it originated at, we have different sets of rules and regulations that don’t apply to you n*ggas and you will become victim of circumstances.”


“I’m proud, but at the same time, I’m disappointed because there’s no understanding. It’s cool to be in a gang, it’s cool because gangs breed love and family and friendship. A lot of people don’t understand the positives of being in a gang. If there’s no understanding or explanation of why this gang was created, what’s the origins of this gang, the rules and regulations, then it becomes a disappointment.”


“I feel like a lot of these guys watch TV and they see it, then a couple of guys come from out of town and they brainwash them and they get em and they just gangbangin’ for no reason. When we was doing it, we was brought up in it. We understood the rules and regulations. We were there for the foundation. We knew why we were getting involved and knew the consequences. These youngsta’s that’s in it right now don’t understand the consequences. They don’t realize that their life is on the line every five minute.”


“Then, when you find a young rapper who takes on the gangbang mode, who ain’t from California, and he goes to California, and some real n*ggas ride up on him from the other side, it’s like ‘N*gga, what you was claiming? We done already did our YouTube research on you and all that. You flaggin that Shyte and you ain’t really a real one?’”
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so yeah, if they are trying to take this guy down then why not snoop?
you know snoops songs reach a whole lot more people than this dudes...


probably cause snoop has all the cash in the world to fight a case.....

a reply to: Grovit

Maybe these farking asshats can breed love and unity with each other because we are all people inhabiting the same earth? Not because they do retarded shart together...


For real eff this guy. He profited by describing real acts. This isn't the only case. Another rapper that this Duncan fool knows from his own gang directly below himself was prosecuted for describing the murders of rival gang members in his lyrics..

A gang is not a positive thing no matter what anyone in it tells you. I bet some of the people of Isis might even say "o man the family bond and unity is just amazing.... As we cut people's heads off"

originally posted by: Grovit
hiphopwired.com...

“I’m proud, but at the same time, I’m disappointed because there’s no understanding. It’s cool to be in a gang, it’s cool because gangs breed love and family and friendship. A lot of people don’t understand the positives of being in a gang. If there’s no understanding or explanation of why this gang was created, what’s the origins of this gang, the rules and regulations, then it becomes a disappointment.”

I'm glad he said that. It shows a lot of aspects to this problem that only someone of his experience can give. But there are a lot of people within his generation that are dissapointed as well, only for a different reason. Snoop says that people don't understand that street gangs were originally formed out of necessity. They were formed to give young men a sense of family, a sense of structure, that they weren't getting at home. He's right, that was the original intent. But some people question that if these young men had a broken home, why didn't people like Snoop try to fix that problem instead of giving them an alternative on the streets?

Their intent may have been good, but their method of fixing the problem was not. You cannot substitute a family life with a group of people on the streets. A male role model who keeps the focus of solidarity on the streets as the primary focus over solidarity of blood family within a home environment, isn't doing anyone any favors. The home is still as broken as it was, and now you have a group of kids roaming the streets with their only focus being......sticking together and protecting each other. That's not enough. Not when you still have the option of a mother and other siblings who need their son and brother home with them to help them.

All the money they make doing whatever it is they do on the streets, most of it goes back to the gang. Not the family members who really need it. If that's not the case, someone prove me wrong. I've never been a member of a gang but I know first hand the betrayal someone feels when another member of your family abandons you because your lifestyle doesn't fit in with what they want. Because, at the root core of it all, there isn't a male authority figure around to help keep things solid and in line. I don't know how that family member is doing at this point, nor do I care all that much. I care even less about the people who thought they could do a better job at raising him within a family structure than his own blood could. It's a sentiment I can see members of a family who lost one of their own to a gang feeling.

Snoop, people like you thought you were doing young kids at the time a favor. You weren't. You were only adding insult to injury. The injury being a broken home, and the insult being that you thought you could do a better job than actually helping the family itself. If you think I'm wrong, look at how the experiment turned out. You know as well as anyone that it failed. Big time. Because now you have gang members, as bold as the day is long, bragging about their affiliations and the murders they commit. They might do it on the sly, in code and in other ways that are hard to prove in a court of law, but the original intent of building solidarity among young men has fallen victim to groups of young men who feel isolated and abandoned by society itself, and are fighting back against it. And then when the cops or prosecutors step in to keep it from happening, they're the bad guys because they're stepping on peoples' constitutional right to free speech. As if gang members consider what they do as art.

All in all, I think that what Snoop Dog said in that interview needed to be heard by a lot of people. Especially those who seem to have this Disneyland view of it all, and dispense with their Peter Pan advice about it. A lack of understanding. Those are words he used and that hit the nail squarely on the head.

Some are trying to make this a case of government infringing free speech too. I read about the same case with headlines stating "Rapper to serve life sentence for lyrics" too... and more than one. In both scenarios the prosecutor(s) are using the image and the lyrics to state the album is violent however they would still have a case if the cover and lyrics were about rainbows and unicorns. The California law applies to enterprises supported by funds obtained from gang activity. Any contention with this case, should address whether the law was violated or not and whether it is a just law, not necessarily courtroom theatrics lawyers employ to help their case.

originally posted by: Taupin Desciple

They were formed to give young men a sense of family, a sense of structure, that they weren't getting at home. He's right, that was the original intent. But some people question that if these young men had a broken home, why didn't people like Snoop try to fix that problem instead of giving them an alternative on the streets?

that very well may have been the original intent very early on...not just in cali but chicago and such...
i think that original intent was lost with the quickness.
in know in chicago in the 70's there were 'gangs' organized like that..to give younger people a sense of belonging...they had community centers with activities and such..

that didnt last long.

very quickly it turned into what it is today..to become a member' you had to get 'jumped' in or had to comit some crime etc etc...only way out is death type of #..

that is not giving kids sense of family or belonging....they can claim that all they want but its not true.

my point was though why go on the witch type hunt for this guy and let snoop slide?

the things the article mentions about this rapper is the same thing that snoop does too.
the images of gangs and the culture. the violence.
snoop still raps about his crip gang # and his blue flag in his pocket...

its the same thing in my opinion.

for the record, i dont think any of them should be prosecuted for their 'music', lyrics, cd cover images.....
that said, imo any person that joins one of these gangs are a piece of # anyway so whatever happens, happens.

i dont agree with them getting prosecuted but i dont care enough to do anything about it except for post on here. they can live outside thejail forever or die in the chair tomorrow. i will sleep as i always do.

i was just trying to make a point.

originally posted by: Kali74
Some are trying to make this a case of government infringing free speech too. I read about the same case with headlines stating "Rapper to serve life sentence for lyrics" too... and more than one.

cause 'they' have to lay the blame somewhere...
not just rap lyrics

remember after columbine...people were laying blame directly on marilyn manson...it was a serious witch hunt.
trying to blame his music and lyrics for their actions..

i am not a fan of him or his music...personal choice...the lyrics dont bother me...i just think his songs suck...for the most part.
he is a very well spoken, intelligent guy though...

i remember he gave an interview(one of many) when imo they were trying to trap him with certain questions so they could pick apart his answers...

one of the questions..."if you could have talked to dylan and eric, what would you have said to them"
answer......."nothing...i would have listened"

awesome answer

Sounds like they are now using the RICO laws against modern day gangs....much like they use it against the "mafia" and "organized crime"

I see this is mostly used by the feds....but seems similar
en.wikipedia.org...

ha. the article mentions snoop too.
funny

it also says

Duncan faces 25-years-to-life on gang conspiracy charges brought against him this week, according to the Los Angeles Times. Prosecutors will reportedly look to prove that the album art "willfully promotes, furthers, or assists in any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang."

"That gang" refers to the San Diego Lincoln Park gang, of which Duncan is a member, according to San Diego police. According to the Times, at least 15 Lincoln Park gang members have been charged in a recent string of shootings in the city.
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seems like his crew is on a tear and they are trying in any way they can to stop it..
thats a good thing
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The only pieces of evidence against Tiny Doo, Watkins told the Times, are the mixtape and a social media photo of him with a few of the alleged shooters
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i just checked it out on sound cloud.....several of the songs feature other 'artists'...wonder if any of those featured are in the gang or alleged to be one of the shooters

a reply to: Grovit

That is an awesome answer and yes 'art' can get demonized but clarity is important. Who is demonizing? The law or the media or various concerned religious or parental groups through the media? Those are important distinctions where civil rights are concerned. The 1st Amendment only protects people from the government persecuting them for speech, it doesn't protect people from the media or anyone else doing so.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

seems pretty spot on

. . .any person who actively participates in any criminal street gang [as defined by statute] with knowledge that its members engage in or have engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity [as defined by statute] and who willfully promotes, furthers, assists, or benefits from any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang is guilty of conspiracy to commit that felony . . . .

On or about May 28, 2013, JUSTIN ANTONIO ANDERSON, ALVIN RANDOLPH BANKS, DARRYL LAWRENCE CHARLES JR., DESMOND RAYSHAWN CRISP, BRANDON DUNCAN, GLENN ROY GRAY, AARON WAYNE HARVEY, JAWAUN DESHAY JONES, CEDRIC CHARLES JORDAN, STANLEY BERNARD KING JR., FRANKLIN LAMBERTH III, ANTHONY ROBINSON, TEVONTE STRIPLING, and DEON WINTERS committed the crime of Criminal Street Gang Conspiracy, in violation of Penal Code Section 182.5, a felony, by unlawfully and actively participating in a criminal street gang with knowledge that its members engage in and have engaged in a pattern of criminal gang activity and did willfully promote, further, assist and benefit from felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang, to wit: the crimes of Premeditated Attempted Murder and Shooting at Inhabited Occupied Structure, in violation of Penal Code sections 664/187/189 and 246, committed on or about May 28, 2013, in violation of PENAL CODE SECTION 182.5.

[182.5] brings within its ambit not only a gang member who promotes, furthers, or assists in the commission of a felony. It also embraces an active and knowing participant who merely benefits from the crime’s commission, even if he or she did not promote, further, or assist in the commission of that particular substantive offense. This constitutes a substantial expansion of a traditional conspiracy application. The “one who benefits” provision recognizes that gang activities both individually and collectively endanger the public and contribute to the perpetuation of the gang members’ continued association for criminal purposes. Due to the organized nature of gangs, active gang participants may benefit from crimes committed by other gang members. When such benefits are proven along with the other elements of the statute, section 182.5 permits those benefitting gang participants to be convicted of conspiracy to commit the specific offense from which they benefitted.

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it appears ole tiny doo has a problem on his hands

a reply to: Grovit

That's exactly right. Big competition between them and a rival I forget who it was but for some reason I'm even thinking it was another blood crew.


The gang dynamic in this country is gone to the dogs just like in the Middle East. If your organizational hierarchy is built out of aggression, violence and strong arm then over time the more aggressive, violent and strong armed people will eventually take the leading rolls as other leaders are either killed or retire... Same thing happened with Al Qaeda and Isis and most insurgency groups.

In the America gang case since the 80's the idea of one massive blood gang versus a massive crip gang has now been replace by millions of 2-5 man crews. There is still many many gangs that number higher then 5. Some of the biggest do for sure. But within those bigger gangs they are usually made up of many many crews. This crew dynamic is what has the majority of the streets gripped in death.

When there's less coordination and more competition it makes for serious issues. Lots of little warring. Single shootouts and whatnot. Less leaders to tell youngins to chill out.

You'd almost think it was designed to happen this way so as the groups get more violent they get smaller in size and easier to deal with.

Here's the gangland about them



The main rapper is "Mitchy slick" they talk about (who I mistakenly thought was this Duncan character)

Any way they talk about the "rap cops" a little, it's a pretty good episode overall.

What about the rest of the gangsta rappers..they constantly rap about selling k's and all other sorts of criminal activity.

a reply to: vonclod

You can say anytning you want... You can profit from comepletely lying.. It's called "entertainment" lol.

It's when you start rapping about actual events and glorify the people involved or even spread intel through the music.

He's not just getting into trouble for rapping dirty words and actions.. It's so much deeper then that.

Again,

What we have here is people who have NO EXPERIENCE in the subject matter with their wranglers in a bunch, just going off of what they see on tv or in movies.

I know gang members who hold jobs and have families and are all around good guys. People do stupid things in their youth, like join a gang, but it doesnt mean they are Forced to commit crimes or give the money they make to their gang, dats plain ignerent !!

What you people need to understand, is that thugs who commit crimes, will commit them whether their in a gang or not, gangs are just the scapegoat.

Rappers will and do rap about anything they want to, how do you know if its true or made up ? Who are you to decide.

I find in gangs, or any other social structure,.... Rappers or people with talent are actualy SHIELDED from the street life and getting caught up in crime BECAUSE they have a future.

A rapper would get smacked upside the head for wanting to do so much as shoplift, cuz that would be stupid, they gon be somebody, and that is exactly why this kid has. NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

YALL STRAIGHT TRIPPIN.

originally posted by: IntastellaBurst


dats plain ignerent !!


A rapper would get smacked upside the head for wanting to do so much as shoplift, cuz that would be stupid, they gon be somebody, and that is exactly why this kid has. NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

YALL STRAIGHT TRIPPIN.

that post was pretty funny...
what set you claimin yo

he'll have quite the record pretty soon

a reply to: IntastellaBurst

What's sets it apart is these "ignerent" fools rapped details only known by either suspects, cops, or the deceased.

They implicated themselves on active investigations. Stupid move.


I'd bet if you ask one of those "straight gang members" attached to a polygraph what they really thought about everything now that they grew through it... You'd get different answers.