The Problem of Evil

a reply to: MyEyesSeeTooClear

Hi there.

I can only tell you the way I perceive evil and how I approach it.

I am 100% Christian in that I acknowledge Christ and it is not an option for me to forsake Him.

Not just because Christ said it, but from my experience of planet earth having been tossed and turned on this human ocean, I agree with what Christ said that we are all sinful. We are genetically corrupted and not able to function properly.

Genesis tell us the same thing as Christ did; we did something we were told by our Creator not to do because it would ruin, destroy us and make the earth a bitter experience. Don't ask me why He allowed the entity of the serpent to tell us the opposite or why whatever we did ( eating from a certain tree so the story goes, probably some kind of metaphoric simplification) was allowed in Eden because I do not know. If He is an Omnipotent Creator I am sure He knew that we would do what we did and planned for it all along.

So all I can say is that evil is fathered by a rebellious entity in humans. The Creator's curse of mortality is just one of the prices we have to pay. Disease and despair is another. We have to see that in ourselves, our dear ones and the world all around us.

It's not all bad news is it though folks? According to Christ He will be the star gate (the Way, Truth and Life) for us to enter a Kingdom He has prepared where the Creator's curse is lifted and we are restored to glory in His light.

May be I'm crazy for believing stuff like this??? It fits very well with me and even holds out in this digital age and under the most severe scrutiny.

a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

Sounds like a whole lot of Paulian theology to me...


a reply to: MyEyesSeeTooClear


Karma is the only way to logically explain why bad things happen to Good people... Its not evil, and its certainly not some evil entity like the devil whispering things in our ear...

Selfishness is the root of evil...

it is choice we all have...

a reply to: Akragon

Yes you are quite right. I am a full on fan of St Paul as being the main Scribe and given true authority by Christ. I am not saying Paul was without sin. As we know Paul told us himself about how he was before meeting Christ on the road. I reckon Paul was like Moses (who killed an Egyptian for beating on his fellow Hebrew); the Creator making a point at how he can spin a proud man right round and out into His Way of thinking. I've noticed in the Bible that has happened with some of the most important people.

I totally believe in Karma. It is just a word for "reap what you sow in this life and after". Christ's explanation is totally karmic. TS Eliot (the Anglo US poet) noticed some similarities between the Fire Sermon and Sermon On The Mount.

I'm very happy to admit I am a miserable, weak, failure of a man who had to go crying to Jesus if that helps. I'm still no better off in this life so to speak, even much worse off. I'm a soul gambler, gambling it all on Jesus and thinking of what treasure I can store with Him. Apparently He is the safest banker of all so He and His Disciples say. I'll be the biggest fool if it turns out not to be the case then you can have a good old laugh at me, hah!

Why evil exists I have no idea. Judaism and Christianity tell us it is not restricted to humans, but also among the Higher Ones. Karma says it is what we have done in other lives and what we do in this life. Funnily enough reincarnation is also part of certain Rabbis' beliefs. Check it out in certain Kabbalah traditions. Strangely enough Christ said of John The Baptist "He is Elijah if you will have it". Even stranger that the Bible seems to refer to Elijah as not dying a traditional mortal's death and being taken away by angelic beings. Who knows? I don't! I'm just a stupid mortal bloke who hopelessly tries to be gentle, kind and caring and always falls short.; "I'm evil, my middle name is Misery" or "I told you I was trouble, you know I'm no good". At least Elvis and Amy were humble and honest about the fallen state of us lot.

a reply to: lonesomerimbaud

Im sorry but perhaps I gave you the wrong impression...

I am not a fan of Paul... not in the least as a matter of fact...

He was a false apostle... and contradicted Jesus on many things he taught...

The only thing he actually said that was good was his stance on love... which I do like

but this is not the place for this discussion

a reply to: Akragon

I know you are no fan of St Paul. I've read many more of your words than you give me credit for. I've been reading here for years Mr Akragon. Your views are your own and I would not even try belittle that in any way. I just listen to St Paul as it fits with me. Yes, let us leave it at that.

My intention was to tell the OP what I know of evil and that is what I know. The whole point of Judaism and Christianity is that none of us are capable of knowing what good and evil are. Even Angels are not capable of knowing it. Original sin is exactly this. Humans believed a lie that we could eat from "The Tree of Knowledge Of Good and Evil" and not die! We believed the Original Lie from the Father Of Lies. That is as much as I know of evil because I know I don't have a clue about evil or good, what they really are. If I did think I knew I would just be basking in that original lie. Hey, Christ taught me this! Great isn't it!

I'm out of your hair now!

lots of love from Forrest Gump

originally posted by: Murgatroid
'Education' is nothing more than indoctrination and no different from the MSM.

Today's educational 'system' is being used as a mind control technique to dumb down kids into unthinking conformists and zombies who won't ask any questions.

We can't get jobs anywhere without that paper from "education".

Most diplomas I didn't finish and jobs I lost we're because I didn't accept to jump trough the hoops and be a good doggy. Never because I wasn't good enough.

Most without realizing it, each step of the ladder, people put others down. The sheep sheep themselves while the wolves make the rules of conduct.

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: Akragon

I know you are no fan of St Paul. I've read many more of your words than you give me credit for. I've been reading here for years Mr Akragon. Your views are your own and I would not even try belittle that in any way. I just listen to St Paul as it fits with me. Yes, let us leave it at that.

My intention was to tell the OP what I know of evil and that is what I know. The whole point of Judaism and Christianity is that none of us are capable of knowing what good and evil are. Even Angels are not capable of knowing it. Original sin is exactly this. Humans believed a lie that we could eat from "The Tree of Knowledge Of Good and Evil" and not die! We believed the Original Lie from the Father Of Lies. That is as much as I know of evil because I know I don't have a clue about evil or good, what they really are. If I did think I knew I would just be basking in that original lie. Hey, Christ taught me this! Great isn't it!

I'm out of your hair now!

lots of love from Forrest Gump

Well that's interesting...

More Paul unfortunately... I find it sad to think that one would not know what good and or evil is...

You will find that both come from within... not from some evil entity scapegoat...

In any case you are not in my hair... but its good to know you're reading

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: MyEyesSeeTooClear
Haha my papers actually mostly done...

Be careful, it's a trap...

'Education' is nothing more than indoctrination and no different from the MSM.

Today's educational 'system' is being used as a mind control technique to dumb down kids into unthinking conformists and zombies who won't ask any questions.

The apostasy rate for Christians in college is somewhere around 70%.

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” ~ Joseph Stalin

As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide

Modern course work in universities does not widen the scope of a student’s knowledge, it narrows it. It doesn’t cultivate wisdom. It cultivates ignorance. It doesn’t teach students to become independent and self-responsible citizens, rather, it conditions them to become more and more dependent upon the system of corporate employment and governmental assistance. It doesn’t encourage free thought and the questioning of external authority, but rather to accept unconditionally the official version of everything.

What today’s universities accomplish is to turn young students with malleable, questioning minds into rigid, unthinking drones destined to become cogs in the machinery of modern society, machinery that has been wholly devised and developed by none other than our aptly named Machine Men. In short, universities are institutional tools that manufacture unthinking and incurious machines – namely, graduates

wadevenden.wordpress.com...

"...the academic meltdown in our public education system is intentional. It asserts that change agents have been working at the Education Department to change curriculum, not to improve teaching but to promote a socialist agenda. Their role is to create schools which will mold obedient citizens who no longer have the knowledge and skills to improve their lot in life, but are dependent on government/multi-national companies' guidance to survive. The system will create imprisoned citizens that will be managed from cradle to grave to serve the needs of the state's managed economy."

Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

Only when all children in public, private and home schools are robotized-and believe as one-will World Government be acceptable to citizens and able to be implemented without firing a shot. The attractive-sounding "choice" proposals will enable the globalist elite to achieve their goal: the robotization (brainwashing) of all Americans in order to gain their acceptance of lifelong education and workforce training-part of the world management system to achieve a new global feudalism.

A 100 yr. Silent War on Education

Never mind that this country's education system is already tailor-made to spread misinformation, entrench mythologies, and promote American exceptionalism to our young children. American history, as taught in schools, is generally nonsense meant to instill and preserve a sense of City-on-a-Hill nationalism, along with healthy doses of tall-tale founding myths, gung-ho militarism, and ethnic cleansing justification in the form of righteous Manifest Destiny. As James W. Loewen explains in his 1995 book Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong, textbooks used to teach our children "leave out anything that might reflect badly upon our national character."

Who's Really Brainwashing Our Children

Apostasy rate. ROFLMAO

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: Akragon

... The whole point of Judaism and Christianity is that none of us are capable of knowing what good and evil are.

So you're saying that Christianity is a club for stupid people?

a reply to: MyEyesSeeTooClear

If I would have to take a position on "evil" it would be because we are all capable of it, and the reason why this is so, is because a part of us has lost its faith in having a purpose to life.

This loss of faith is caused by negative things that have happened to the individual.

Of course, you can stand up to it, or embrace it, thus you can choose to be "good" or choose the path of "evil".

It is inevitable that we will come to some kind of "harm" at one stage in our existence, some of us simply cannot handle it and "evil" comes to them in the form of resentment as opposed to acceptance.

What do you guys think about the correlation between good and evil? The dualistic idea that's similar to yin/yang as in one cannot exist without the other

Maybe Evil does not truly exist and is just a point of view. What some people would call Evil is maybe just their own distorted view of some occurring event. For example If you do something some consider Evil in a dream and you wake up the next day and think well, it's alright, it was just a dream. That's you taking a standpoint away from the dream, a point of view of knowledge that recognizes that it wasn't real. Now if you take the waking state and do something described as Evil you may think #! i am an Evil git. Although if you look at the World from the perspective of Maya or Illusion then you you could say it's ok, it was only a dream. I wasn't really Evil because the situation never really occurred in the first place or my perspective of the situation has changed and i realize it was just an illusion.

Row, row, row your boat
Gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily
Life is but a dream

originally posted by: MyEyesSeeTooClear
What do you guys think about the correlation between good and evil? The dualistic idea that's similar to yin/yang as in one cannot exist without the other

Why assume either exists?

Perhaps evil is empowered by forces that want us to experience all there is to experience. Without evil, how could we really learn forgiveness and compassion without being tested to the extreme.

Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."

"Good" and "Evil" are, like all things, conceptual. What is "good" to one is "evil" to another. I personally have never seen an act of "evil". I have seen people who have a different model of the world express that in ways that I don't agree with but that does not define it as "evil". Simply put, the meaning of everything is the meaning you give it. Nothing more, nothing less.