United Earth - New World Order or One World Government?

a reply to: Annee

Good, we agree on one thing. Then why do you cling on to the medieval concept of needing a leader?

Even Obama and Putin speak of TPTB. The International Bankers who own everything worth owning, control most governments, most media, Hollywood, banks, educational systems---they are smarter than us, more ruthless than us, more desirous of power than us, and have been doing it for so long that most citizens are blissfully unaware even of their existence. For centuries, they have been able to topple powerful governments that opposed them . We will have whatever form of government they wish us to have, and we will think it was our idea. And a population reduction figures prominently in much of their writing.

The New World Order has been established since 3147bc.


And it literally means the NEW WORLD ORDER - as in the spacial relationship between planets in our Solar System.

originally posted by: Tusks
The International Bankers who own everything worth owning, .... banks... ---they are smarter than us

Sorry couldn't resist, but you have to admit it is even funnier this way.

The Old World Order. I've never understood why people call it the new world order when it seems to be old royalty that runs this sinking ship.

This has been an interesting read, I thank all who have contributed.

It's interesting to note all the various opinions and posted controversial involving our present leaderships and those who run things whether public or hidden.

I'd like to suggest to all participating in this thread to read the book "strategic vision, America and the crisis of global power" by Zbigniew Brzezinski. The second half really spells out in a very understandable way what might happen post 2025.

The third section is about what would happen if the US might enter a decline. It breaks down the very very complicated Mexican stand off that is geopolitics and why the world is working to avoid America's decline. China has invested in our well being many times over... Not for us.. But for their own well being.

This book has honestly gave me some feet. It's extremely critical of the United States and its leaders (surprisingly since its written by one lol) but its also very honest and detailed about why certain things are happening. Immigration policy for example... I was a die hard border closer only 8 weeks or so ago. I live near flint Michigan and I've seen the destruction first hand that needs to be fixed at home and was appalled at the money being spent on immigration issues... Now I'm not so sure a closed border is the right tactic... The book presents a very compelling argument to maintain America's "beacon status".

The future is very grim if you ask most people but after reading strategic vision I definitely don't think it will be so grim. Idk what exactly will happen due to the insane amount of variables but I do now feel the world at least would like to keep America from declining and working towards a peaceful transition into the next phase of world power. What that will be idk exactly but it looks like most are about ready to sit at the table and try to figure that out.

Good luck to those who want a world government, what will they do with the Arab states? what will they do with China? India?
even Brazil for that matter, Chinas commercial debt is $14.6 trillion dollars, just one headache for the world government, then there's America's debt, the UK's debt, Greece, Italy, Spain, what government would want that sort of debt?

originally posted by: pikestaff
Good luck to those who want a world government, what will they do with the Arab states? what will they do with China? India?

If you watch "Pale Blue Dot" and still don't get it. You never will.

m.youtube.com...

a reply to: Annee

Sorry the link leeds to something with the title California power plants? What has that to do with anything?

@pikestuff: do you lend yourself money often? Do you go after yourself when you don't pay your money back to you? Do you kick your own ass then?

a reply to: mindseye1609

The way I look at Mexico is: if you're going toward One World, first thing IMO would be equalization. To have such extreme differences in bordering countries is asking for trouble. Why do most Mexicans come to America? To have a better life and education for their children. Many risk death to have a better life.

If they were on the same level as their neighboring country it would eliminate the reason most try to come to America.

Is the lowering of Americas economics and attempt to raise economics in 3rd world countries coincidence?

Seems reasonable, logical, and smart.

But, just so you know I'm not a Polyanna, Idealism is a nice word - nothing more. Money is still the driving power of control. In going for change how does one equalize TPTB?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Annee

Sorry the link leeds to something with the title California power plants? What has that to do with anything?

Fixed link. Tried to paste it here, but ATS wouldn't cooperate.

OK, finally! Here is the link: m.youtube.com...

a reply to: Annee

Another intriguing point I read about recently.. If Russia and other countries can lay claim to geographical locations based on the people that live there or "territorial self determination" (I.e. Crimea) what's stopping Mexico from laying claim to El Paso? Or San Diego or maybe eve Los Angeles? Our positive continued relationship is one reason.

Mexico would never do something silly like that while the United States and it have a beneficial relationship BUT we close our borders and station the military on the border and you might start seeing more people calling for drastic actions like "taking back California" they could probably even claim "we work most of those fields and orchards but America receives the profits and produce???!?"

The future looks to be very very complicated but after reading strategic vision I feel there is at least ONE person who somewhat has a grasp on the complexity that is world politics... And if one person can kinda get it.. Then there's hope for all of us to possibly understand and if we all understand the logic behind the direction world politics should head... Then it will probably head that way.

a reply to: mindseye1609

I live on the border. Much of the border is agricultural. Some of it ranches.

Because of ignorance, our food sources are in danger.

But, you can't tell "pro close the border" people that.

a reply to: Annee

I think we can.. I've been brainstorming a way to present "strategic vision" in a visual manner. I have the book and audio book, but even the audio book is 6 and a half hours long. Tough to get the YouTube generation to grasp it all.

I think If we can get a majority of our country thinking logically it will just spread. The hundredth monkey theory. Lots of older folks are going to be about impossible to change their minds unless we make them the minority. Until they realize that most think that they are wrong they will hold their beliefs.

Anyone know a good animator that's bored?

originally posted by: mindseye1609
I think If we can get a majority of our country thinking logically it will just spread.

Unfortunately, most people don't think beyond their own "back porch". And don't want to.

That's why I support "voting blocks" instead of individual voting. A "voting block" is a small group that meets to discuss individual and neighborhood concerns. Also representation in writing for those who can't attend. In other words, only those who really care and take the time to know the issues. They elect a representative that takes their collective vote to the next level of "voting block", etc etc. Their representative then submits their vote.

This method actually addresses the issues and eliminates emotional voting and superficial voting (such as voting for whoever is the cutest). Or whoever is the best Carnival Barker.

Now I know this will never fly, because of the constitution. But I think it's far more intelligent and logical.

Of course, there's always concern for corruption

We can't have a one world government in which peoples with primitive ideas get to decide. That is the failure of the UN and why it is routinely ignored. The New World Order, announced by President George Bush Sr., is already a fact. The Big Dogs meet in private to decide how the world is run. Notice how careful they all are, even Russia and China, to minimize armed conflict, avoid civilian casualties, and above all else, project an image of fairness. Can't push anyone too far; can't upset those vital trading partners. Why do you think Ukraine still exists, or that Assad is still in power? You want UN support, or a popular uprising, to justify a regime change which other powers do not want. Not being directly involved is even better. The repressive Chinese government doesn't want bad press, either. Mass protests are allowed to continue for awhile, and there are only a few arrests. The big corporations and megabanks are globally connected. They won't allow anything that might kill their businesses. Everything must be carefully....controlled. You think I should hate that? I live in a much safer world than it use to be. There are some angry Muslims who can't seem to get with the program, but the threat of it all being swept away in a horrible armed conflict is gone. a reply to: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Parthin
We can't have a one world government in which peoples with primitive ideas get to decide.

Please clarify Primitive Ideas.

Or is that what the rest of your post is, which seems more like a rant.

I am trying to understand what you mean.

People who believe that sex outside of marriage should be punished by death are primitive. People who believe that "religious offenses" are a crime are primitive. Anyone believing in magic spells or sorcery is primitive. That covers most of the Third World. Those people cannot make the law for me.
My long post was not particularly organized, but my point was that the New World Order is already here now.
I also believe that, despite being rivals, there is a hidden, secret agenda: that the world must never again fall into chaos, and that all major powers must be prepared to unite militarily at any time, in order in confront the more technologically advanced aliens which we know to exist. a reply to: Annee

Money is always given far too much credit in these kinds of discussions. Money is a tool of convenience. Nothing more. Those who hold all the power and control the world do indeed have most of the money. However, they don't really need it. All they have ever needed and all they ever will need is their own minds.

They do not control the world with money. They control the world with their minds. A man with a perfect and complete set of tools cannot repair a car if he doesn't know what he's doing. A man with a pencil and some paper cannot design a new type of car if he doesn't know how.

The man who knows what he's doing will always rule. He doesn't absolutely need the tools that already exist. If he has to, he can start from scratch and create new tools and forge them himself. He'd probably rather not but he will if he has to.

The real intellectuals will always rise to the top. And they always believe they know what's best for everyone else. Maybe they do and maybe they don't but they almost never have our rights and freedom in mind. Power is what they want. They believe that the world will fall apart if they don't control everything. Maybe they're right and maybe they're wrong but they're still only human.