Christians are being persecuted worldwide!, Burning, Beheading and Crucifixion.

a reply to: Murgatroid

You mean the title that only mentions Christians? No, I caught that.

"Don't bunch Christians together with fake Christians who think homosexuality isn't a sin. These are the same types of 'Christians' who would bow down to Islam as to not be persecuted."

The implication is that supporting, defending, or accepting homosexuals or Muslims makes you a fake Christian and the OP clearly doesn't like fake Christians, so by extension he doesn't like gays or Muslims.

That doesn't count though right? Only 100% explicit hatred counts here. Well except for me apparently. I'm assumed to be hateful of so many things all the time

a reply to: TechUnique

Nope I understand quite clearly. You are a fundamentalist who thinks the bible is the literal word of God despite being written by men. You also cherry pick which parts are true and false randomly.

I also understand you don't hate gay people. You just want then to be unhappy and self hating for the sake if their eternal soul.

Trust me. I understand. I just disapprove of your mindless outdated zealotry.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: tavi45
You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

Perhaps you missed the thread's title...

And IF the OP said that Muslims and gays are bad people, why did you not quote him?

I have repeatedly been accused of saying that Muslims and Gays are bad people but they are YET to quote me up on it. It is because I have not said such things. Yet still it continues..

The sad thing is. People are focusing on attacking me and my credibility rather than the fact that there are people, children included, being slaughtered right now

That should be an important news topic of discussion in the MSM but it is not. ATS should be the one place that will deal with a controversial subject that has been covered up and repressed by the media. But because those dead children are Christians, people would rather attack the person who started the thread based on their religion.

Similar to how these little children were beheaded, because of their religion.

The silence is deafening. The silence speaks volumes.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: tavi45
You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

Perhaps you missed the thread's title...

And IF the OP said that Muslims and gays are bad people, why did you not quote him?

I have repeatedly been accused of saying that Muslims and Gays are bad people but they are YET to quote me up on it. It is because I have not said such things. Yet still it continues..

The sad thing is. People are focusing on attacking me and my credibility rather than the fact that there are people, children included, being slaughtered right now

That should be an important news topic of discussion in the MSM but it is not. ATS should be the one place that will deal with a controversial subject that has been covered up and repressed by the media. But because those dead children are Christians, people would rather attack the person who started the thread based on their religion.

Similar to how these little children were beheaded, because of their religion.

The silence is deafening. The silence speaks volumes.

I feel bad for all suffering. You should learn to do that too. Focusing on the suffering of ones own tribe at the exclusion of others is the height of selfishness and the root cause of these children and others suffering. Those Muslim extremists are much like yourself. They don't see that all human beings are the same and act on the words of a silly outdated book written by men.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

Nope I understand quite clearly. You are a fundamentalist who thinks the bible is the literal word of God despite being written by men. You also cherry pick which parts are true and false randomly.

I also understand you don't hate gay people. You just want then to be unhappy and self hating for the sake if their eternal soul.

Trust me. I understand. I just disapprove of your mindless outdated zealotry.

You just made an incredible amount of very insulting insinuations.

Please could you back up each individual claim with direct and full quotes from myself?

Because you do realize that if you cannot do this you have no credibility in your claims whatsoever. If you have noticed, I have addressed every single question by responding directly. Whenever I ask someone to back up their claims that I have said something, they never have, NOT ONCE. Please prove to me otherwise, if you cannot then your argument stands for absolutely nothing. That is not my opinion that is just the reality of the situation.

If I were to count how many times I have been attacked in the thread I would run out of hands and feet. If I were to count how many times these attacks have been backed up by actual quotes from words I have written myself.. I would be left scratching my head.

So please. Quote me.

originally posted by: tavi45

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: tavi45
You only mentioned Christian persecution in your thread. You then said you think Muslims and gays are bad people. So you care about Christians suffering but not other groups. It's pretty simple.

Perhaps you missed the thread's title...

And IF the OP said that Muslims and gays are bad people, why did you not quote him?

I have repeatedly been accused of saying that Muslims and Gays are bad people but they are YET to quote me up on it. It is because I have not said such things. Yet still it continues..

The sad thing is. People are focusing on attacking me and my credibility rather than the fact that there are people, children included, being slaughtered right now

That should be an important news topic of discussion in the MSM but it is not. ATS should be the one place that will deal with a controversial subject that has been covered up and repressed by the media. But because those dead children are Christians, people would rather attack the person who started the thread based on their religion.

Similar to how these little children were beheaded, because of their religion.

The silence is deafening. The silence speaks volumes.

I feel bad for all suffering. You should learn to do that too. Focusing on the suffering of ones own tribe at the exclusion of others is the height of selfishness and the root cause of these children and others suffering.

Wait, did you really just do what I think you did? Let me dissect your comment. (Something you have not once done to me)

"I feel bad for all suffering. You should learn to do that too." - Of course I feel bad for all suffering. What have I said that makes you think I don't? Or is it just another wild assertion?
"Focusing on the suffering of ones own tribe at the exclusion of others is the height of selfishness and the root cause of these children and others suffering." Do you see the title of the articles that I have posted? They are all about Christians being persecuted. That is what the topic of the thread is. Just because in this thread I am focusing on the thread matter, does not mean I don't care about other matters.

Do you realize how ridiculous your assertions of me are when you conjure them up out of thin air, one after another?

Tomorrow when you wake up, go over this thread again and read every comment between us. Your ignorance is relentless. You are choosing to be ignorant by not backing up your claims. It would be bad enough if it were just a matter of you derailing an important discussion with personal attacks against the OP. What makes it worse is that your attacks are complete ungrounded, unwarranted and they are relentless.

You are doing nothing but try to attack my credibility. Your actions speak volumes.

a reply to: TechUnique

You don't care about suffering of Muslims or gays. You think we're being soft on them.

I can reread this thread a million times and still come to the same conclusion.

I'm ignorant but not of Christianity. I was raised in a Christian nation surrounded by Christians. I know a good one from a bad one. The good ones do the work of Jesus. That work does not include hating other religions or gay people.

I hope you overcome your brainwashing one day

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Murgatroid

You mean the title that only mentions Christians? No, I caught that.

"Don't bunch Christians together with fake Christians who think homosexuality isn't a sin. These are the same types of 'Christians' who would bow down to Islam as to not be persecuted."

The implication is that supporting, defending, or accepting homosexuals or Muslims makes you a fake Christian and the OP clearly doesn't like fake Christians, so by extension he doesn't like gays or Muslims.

That doesn't count though right? Only 100% explicit hatred counts here. Well except for me apparently. I'm assumed to be hateful of so many things all the time

Let me swiftly rebuke your whole statement, and with ease.
"The implication is that supporting, defending, or accepting homosexuals or Muslims makes you a fake Christian and the OP clearly doesn't like fake Christians, so by extension he doesn't like gays or Muslims."

You added that last part on yourself. As for the first part, that is merely your interpretation of my words and not the literally meaning of what I said.

Again you are making assertions, for instance, you said that 'OP clearly doesn't like fake Christians'. When did I say that?

Furthermore, you are basing your opinion about my implications on an assertion that you yourself made.

You're still not making any coherent points or backing up your claims in any way whatsoever!

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

You don't care about suffering of Muslims or gays. You think we're being soft on them.

I can reread this thread a million times and still come to the same conclusion.

I'm ignorant but not of Christianity. I was raised in a Christian nation surrounded by Christians. I know a good one from a bad one. The good ones do the work of Jesus. That work does not include hating other religions or gay people.

I hope you overcome your brainwashing one day

As you have said yourself, that is the conclusion YOU have come to. It is not what I have actually said. If it was something that I had actually said you would of quoted it directly and explained why it means what YOU THINK it means.

My message in this thread was that Christians are being persecuted. Read my OP. What you are saying is that I made this thread to bash Gays and Muslims when NOT ONCE have I spoke negatively of Gay's or Muslims. I have spoke out against acts that people may have committed, am I not allowed to disagree with something someone is doing?

You literally cannot back up one of your claims. Not even one.

Furthermore, what gave you the slightest inkling that I made this thread to bash people? I made this thread to expose the fact that Christians are being MURDERED at an ever increasing rate. You are derailing from this discussion entirely and then blaming that on ME.

Seriously........... are you done yet?

a reply to: TechUnique

You said being gay is a sin. Sins are bad right? So you think gays are bad. It's pretty simple.

a reply to: TechUnique

"Islam and homosexuality have both been mollycoddled and allowed to proliferate.. The devil hides behind all false religions."

So gays and Muslims are tools of Satan? Sounds super full of love.

Also we shouldn't molly coddle them. Well what's the alternative? Can't be anything good

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

You said being gay is a sin. Sins are bad right? So you think gays are bad. It's pretty simple.

Yes sins are bad. I said that. I did not however say that the people committing the sins are bad. That is again, by your extension. YOU said that. It's not even that you interpreted what I said in the wrong way. You completely twisted what I said in order to win a POINTLESS ARGUMENT.

The only reason I am arguing with you is being I am responding peacefully to your attacks. I have no clue as to why you are actually attacking me in the first place. Do you yourself even know?

I bet you must be getting tired of hearing me say this but, PROVE YOUR CLAIMS WITH DIRECT QUOTES ON WHAT I HAVE ACTUALLY SAID.

a reply to: TechUnique

Dude being gay is not like cheating on your wife or stealing or killing. It's a part of who the person is. More than that it's a form of love. Love is never wrong therefore it's not a sin.

I don't have to prove anything. This isn't science. This is spirituality. Your spirit is dirtied by inflexibility and a lack of love. It's just the way it is.

Sorry for disrupting your carefully maintained mental gymnastics. Grow up and learn Jesus' real message. Use your soul and your heart in your mind not your faulty manmade manual to life written by a bunch of Romans who hated Jesus' message.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

"Islam and homosexuality have both been mollycoddled and allowed to proliferate.. The devil hides behind all false religions."

So gays and Muslims are tools of Satan? Sounds super full of love.

Also we shouldn't molly coddle them. Well what's the alternative? Can't be anything good

The alternative is to not allow violent Islamists to persecute Christians and to not force Churches to marry Gay people. Marriage in a Christian church is a Christian thing, for Christians who believe in the infallible word of God. Some pastors may choose to ignore this fact but that is their choice. The ones who choose not to, however, have every right to do so and should NOT be threatened with imprisonment for doing so. In Christianity homosexuality is a sin. This doesn't mean that Christians should attack Gay people. BUT. Churches have a right to NOT marry someone if they do not fit the criteria for MARRIAGE.

Do you know who fits the criteria for marriage? A Man and a Women.. Therefore, Christian churches do not have to Marry 2 gay people. REGARDLESS of this a church can refuse to marry ANYONE.

Why are the government forcing churches to marry Gay people? Because they are ignoring the freedom of Christian pastors to refuse Marriage to Gay people and ILLEGALLY FORCING THEM TO GO AGAINST their faith but STILL UNDER the housing of that faith.

That is beyond mollycoddling of one group of people over the other it is complete and utter favoritism, sponsored and enforced through tyrannical means.

No one is stopping Gays from getting civilly partnered and sharing the same LEGAL rights as a married couple.

You are twisting my words entirely, making false assertions and assumptions, and jumping to all the wrong conclusions.

ON TOP OF THAT. You are completely ignoring the actual point of the OP which is that CHRISTIANS are being beheaded. CHILDREN included.

Why is no one getting that?

Why are people relentlessly attacking me?

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

Dude being gay is not like cheating on your wife or stealing or killing. It's a part of who the person is. More than that it's a form of love. Love is never wrong therefore it's not a sin.

I don't have to prove anything. This isn't science. This is spirituality. Your spirit is dirtied by inflexibility and a lack of love. It's just the way it is.

Sorry for disrupting your carefully maintained mental gymnastics. Grow up and learn Jesus' real message. Use your soul and your heart in your mind not your faulty manmade manual to life written by a bunch of Romans who hated Jesus' message.

Sex isn't Love.

2 guys can love each other. Sure. But Them having sex is not expressing love it is expressing lust. Same as a straight couple. Only a husband and wife can express their ALREADY ESTABLISHED (in god) LOVE through sex.

It's as simple as that dude.

Glad you posted this thread. It's a shame it seems to have gone off topic at the moment. I will wait a little while before forming a counter argument of my own. I agree that Christians aren't the target of mass scale persecution of the kind you describe. People of all walks of life are persecuted.

As a side note, I find myself interested in your thoughts on the thread linked in my signature (if you have any post them there). You guys are already discussing morality anyway. Which isn't exactly the topic of this thread.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Glad you posted this thread. It's a shame it seems to have gone off topic at the moment. I will wait a little while before forming a counter argument of my own. I agree that Christians aren't the target of mass scale persecution of the kind you describe. People of all walks of life are persecuted.

As a side note, I find myself interested in your thoughts on the thread linked in my signature (if you have any post them there).

What would you define as a mass scale persecution? Why does this not qualify as that? How many Christians have to die for being Christians for it to qualify as persecution?

Persecution can be defined as: "hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs; oppression." Ok what I have said definitely checks that off the list. I think its safe to say that the Beheading, Burning and Crucifixion can all be constituted as forms of 'hostility' and 'ill treatment'. In fact, any sane person would argue that Beheading, Burning and Crucifixion goes above and beyond mere hostility..

"synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill usage, discrimination, tyranny, tyrannization, punishment, torment, torture;"

You don't think that Beheading, Crucifixion and Burning are a form of persecution? Picture that scenario in your head.
You said, "I agree that Christians aren't the target of mass scale persecution" - After all I have shown you and said how can you say that Christians aren't facing mass persecution when the treatment these Christians are receiving BECAUSE of their faith, is WAY WORSE than the Google definition of persecution.

Do you not see the flaw in your logic?

originally posted by: TechUnique
Do you see the flaw in your logic?

Heh... a funny remark from you.

I didn't say I don't think Christians are being persecuted. I said on a mass scale of the type you describe. As in, a concerted effort put forth by the various powers that be and powers behind the scene. A prophesied end times type of persecution turning you all into martyrs for Christ. I know that the evidence will show that the persecution isn't exclusive to Christianity. I am unaware of the statistics but I don't think the numbers will show that Christians are more or less persecuted than any other various groups. At least not significantly. I am equally confident that Christians are just as guilty of persecution. And I'm not necessarily talking about the ME, or stuff in the past either. Like I said, I intend to do more research before making a more informed post.

originally posted by: TechUnique

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: TechUnique

Dude being gay is not like cheating on your wife or stealing or killing. It's a part of who the person is. More than that it's a form of love. Love is never wrong therefore it's not a sin.

I don't have to prove anything. This isn't science. This is spirituality. Your spirit is dirtied by inflexibility and a lack of love. It's just the way it is.

Sorry for disrupting your carefully maintained mental gymnastics. Grow up and learn Jesus' real message. Use your soul and your heart in your mind not your faulty manmade manual to life written by a bunch of Romans who hated Jesus' message.

Sex isn't Love.

2 guys can love each other. Sure. But Them having sex is not expressing love it is expressing lust. Same as a straight couple. Only a husband and wife can express their ALREADY ESTABLISHED (in god) LOVE through sex.

It's as simple as that dude.

Like I said already. I hope you can break through that ultra powerful brainwashing someday. You'll be a lot happier for it.

Love does not need a priest to ordain it. Marriage isn't about God. That's a lie outright. By your definition no one who is not your EXACT brand of Christian can have love. Monopolizing love sounds very un jesusy to me. What do I know? I'm just a worthless garbage person right?

Rationalize it all you want. You are not a true Christian. Your soul and heart is enslaved by the machinations of men and you are too indoctrinated to realize it.

originally posted by: TechUnique
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2 guys can love each other. Sure. But Them having sex is not expressing love it is expressing lust. Same as a straight couple. Only a husband and wife can express their ALREADY ESTABLISHED (in god) LOVE through sex.

It's as simple as that dude.

That is SO wrong. Only after a wedding sex becomes magically a Love Thing? And you really believe that?

Let me tell you that I had amounts of sex before my wedding. And it was coming from our love to each other. It didn't feel any other after the wedding.

Now take that nonsense and stick it back in that stupid old book!