What is a feminist, what is feminism, and what is a 'feminazi'? Do you know what they are?

originally posted by: nenothtu
BTW - accuse me of being "sexist" all you like.

YOU DICK!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

I don't think it's "cute", either - I think that it borders on downright evil, and certainly unfair! That's just the way it is, though.

But, you are not acknowledging the other point.

" When women had no legal rights, they only had themselves"

Feminine Wiles was born out of necessity.

And it worked better than any law could ever hope to.

With a lot less paperwork.

No, it didn't. And it doesn't.

They must not be doing it right around there, then. It gets results here - quick, fast, and in a hurry. No waiting for someone to break a law so that it needs enforcement, no waiting on a cop to enforce anything, no endless hours sitting in a courtroom. Just a done deal.

Maybe these women around here oughtta give lessons? They're very efficient, and absolutely ruthless - in a nice sort of way.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: nenothtu

SHHHH!

You'll ruin my reputation!

Besides - there's a live one on the hook!

Giggle ... and shhh don't tell Tangerine I'm not a "He" It might blow his/her stereotype of me as a sexist troglodyte

I won't - wasn't going to mention it at all. I thought the avatar should have been a big clue, but so many people miss so many details...

originally posted by: ErgoTheAbsurd

originally posted by: nenothtu
BTW - accuse me of being "sexist" all you like.

YOU DICK!

I'm so ashamed... BTW, I liked the pre-edit version better - it was more inclusive!

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: diggindirt

I appreciate that you mentioned your friend who was 10 years older then you, and how that 10 years really made a difference.

As I am the same age as your friend, I concur. IMO that age was at the tail end of women's oppression in the US, and the beginning of freedom and equality.

Some activist Femnists from that early era feel hurt that young girls today take it for granted. But, that's how it goes. Just because I actually lived it, and fought for equality, does not need to be a burden on their young shoulders. They just need to take their freedom/equality and soar with it.

Paving the way often goes unrewarded.

A ball set in motion usually keeps on rolling. Fighting it with antiquated ideology is not going to stop it, probably not even slow it down.

Isn't it a better idea to get onboard and help steer it?

For me it is a ship that can sink without my help and it's certainly not one I'd go down with.
To me, the whole scene parallels the Temperance Movement and the stories I heard handed down about how my great grandmother, the suffragette, was a part of the Temperance Movement when it was a movement to promote moderation in consumption of alcohol. She left the movement when they abandoned the idea of moderation and became prohibitionists. Wielding axes at the local beer hall was just a bit much for her sensibilities.
I find the idea of encouraging the routine making of babies in test tubes to be a bit much for mine. While using test tubes and perti dishes might be a rare. last resort for some, it will never match the wonder and beauty of babies made the way the Creator designed it.

originally posted by: nenothtu

Maybe these women around here oughtta give lessons? They're very efficient, and absolutely ruthless - in a nice sort of way.

I can do it. I choose not to. But, that's not the point.

The fact that you don't understand says more.

originally posted by: nenothtu
A "civil right" is not a "right" at all, because it can be revoked by the same government that issued it to begin with. "Civil rights" are just "privileges" with a fancy name to obscure their real nature.

And thus we reach the true struggle.

originally posted by: nenothtu
I'm so ashamed... BTW, I liked the pre-edit version better - it was more inclusive!

It was more dickish... and I'm deeply programmed to feel ashamed ahead of time in order to ensure I will pre-edit it out of all commentary I will commit to herstory.

a reply to: Annee

I'm sure it does say more - the question is, have you yet figured out what it means to me? You should have. I've made it abundantly clear. While you all are waiting on some man to pass a law in your behalf, and then waiting on another man to enforce it for you if yet another man breaks it, these gals are getting it done without all that.

On their own. Under their own power.

originally posted by: ErgoTheAbsurd

originally posted by: nenothtu
I'm so ashamed... BTW, I liked the pre-edit version better - it was more inclusive!

It was more dickish... and I'm deeply programmed to feel ashamed ahead of time in order to ensure I will pre-edit it out of all commentary I will commit to herstory.

having read the pre-edit version, I see what you did there!

originally posted by: nenothtu
having read the pre-edit version, I see what you did there!

It's almost like I was strategic.

/salute

originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: Annee

I'm sure it does say more - the question is, have you yet figured out what it means to me? You should have. I've made it abundantly clear. While you all are waiting on some man to pass a law in your behalf, and then waiting on another man to enforce it for you if yet another man breaks it, these gals are getting it done without all that.

On their own. Under their own power.

The southern belles were not the force in the Feminist movement. Far from it.

I consider it somewhat delusional to side with their methods.

Yes, women -- all women -- know how to get things done. Still need the legal system.

Annee - all haggling and wrangling aside, I know that it won't work out there as well as it does here. I lived around out there for 30 years or so. It's a different culture, and the way it gets done around here won't work out there.

Y'all let your men get too far out of hand, a long time ago.

Here. from an early age, men are trained to "respect and protect" women to begin with. It gets ingrained. Now, that's not to say they are delicate flowers, because generally they're not - they just give that impression. Most of them can throw a hog just as far as the boys. BUT we are predisposed through early training to "respect and protect", nonetheless. it's for things that many feminists find distasteful. It's because they are our mothers. Our sisters. Our daughters. We respect them. They are the ones who bandage our hurts when we're little, and dad just says "Ah hell! Rub some dirt on it and keep going!" They are the ones who take care of us when we're out for the count, and can't take care of ourselves.

That gets projected onto every woman in sight. Each one of those is SOMEONE'S mother, or sister, or daughter. We try to look out for theirs, and they try to look out for ours.

Just like the women look out for the men as well as themselves. See, it's a mutual thing, a cooperation. We're all in it together.

If it weren't for our women, we wouldn't be here at all.

Besides, they might just jerk a knot up in our asses if we get too far out of line.

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: Annee

I don't think it's "cute", either - I think that it borders on downright evil, and certainly unfair! That's just the way it is, though.

But, you are not acknowledging the other point.

" When women had no legal rights, they only had themselves"

Feminine Wiles was born out of necessity.

And it worked better than any law could ever hope to.

With a lot less paperwork.

No, it didn't. And it doesn't.

They must not be doing it right around there, then. It gets results here - quick, fast, and in a hurry. No waiting for someone to break a law so that it needs enforcement, no waiting on a cop to enforce anything, no endless hours sitting in a courtroom. Just a done deal.

Maybe these women around here oughtta give lessons? They're very efficient, and absolutely ruthless - in a nice sort of way.

My Daddy taught his children, three females and one male, that the remedy for a man beating on a woman was a shotgun.
My Mama taught her children, three females and one male, that no man should ever be shot by a female while washing the dinner dishes.
Now you should understand that these things were said in jest---kinda---and my father didn't advocate killing the man dead, just making him wish for it with a load of coarse salt. If, however, that didn't serve to teach him the needed lesson...
I would hasten to add that it was not my parents' words that convinced me of anything, it was the respect, love and kindness they showed to each other on a daily basis that convinced me that they had some correct ideas.

originally posted by: Annee

The southern belles were not the force in the Feminist movement. Far from it.

Nope, they weren't. As a matter of fact, they were barely, if at all, even peripheral to it. That might deserve a bit of delving into as to why.

I'm making the claim that it was because they were too busy getting on with life, and getting actual stuff done, rather than waiting on a legal system which, around here, was an hour away on a GOOD day, to get stuff done.

I consider it somewhat delusional to side with their methods.

I understand that, and agree that there is no way in hell their methods would work out there. That would make those methods, to you, be "delusional". No argument there.

Yes, women -- all women -- know how to get things done.

I'm going to have to differ with that opinion - not enough practical evidence, and too much flurry and motion for what IS there. To me, it's kind of like watching a person drown - a lot of splashing and flailing, more than is necessary to tread water. After a while, it even gets counter-productive, and they wear out and sink.

Still need the legal system.

Of course we do! I'm not saying the legal system has NO purpose. Just not as massive of a one as we have, and certainly not one that we will accept "rights" as coming from - because, like I said, any "right" that the system gives you, the system can also revoke.

I'm not entirely convinced that's the sort of "rights" that feminism is seeking.

originally posted by: nenothtu
Nope, they weren't. As a matter of fact, they were barely, if at all, even peripheral to it. That might deserve a bit of delving into as to why.

a reply to: diggindirt

See there? I KNEW there was some logical reason that I occasionally let my wife "catch" me doing dishes!

She caught me mopping once, too - but I try not to let that get too far out of hand!

originally posted by: nenothtu

I'm making the claim that it was because they were too busy getting on with life, and getting actual stuff done, rather than waiting on a legal system . . .

Now there's an assumption.

Didn't know the rest of us froze in place waiting for man made laws.

a reply to: Annee

I'm sorry - I obviously missed something in the exchange.

What action ARE you advocating, then, and why were you bringing the legal system into it? You know - the whole "women didn't have any legal protection" argument.

a reply to: nenothtu

Not leaving you hanging. Maybe someone else can jump in.

High functioning spectrum 6 year old. I'm exhausted at the moment.