Read Why the USS Donald Cook Crapped It's Pants and was 'gravely demoralized' in the Black Sea

a reply to: dragonridr

And for many counters, there is a counter-counter.

mwrf.com...

The cross-eye jamming requires substantially physically separated transmit antennae. This means aircraft. In a hostile environment, the counter for the Aegis on the destroyer is the air combat wing from the carrier nearby.

Incoming missiles are a threat, but no missile has a 40 foot wing separation to implement this.

The destroyer is the missile launcher and tracking system.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: dragonridr

And for many counters, there is a counter-counter.

mwrf.com...

The cross-eye jamming requires substantially physically separated transmit antennae. This means aircraft. In a hostile environment, the counter for the Aegis on the destroyer is the air combat wing from the carrier nearby.

Incoming missiles are a threat, but no missile has a 40 foot wing separation to implement this.

The destroyer is the missile launcher and tracking system.

Yeah I know we have certain people that want to make it that Russia can defy the laws of physics and have this super secret tech that can destroy US forces. Not realizing US tech is about 2 decades ahead of the Russians minimum

Here is what I was told, an order was in place that if the USS Donald Cook encountered any Russian aircraft it was to shut down its systems and not to take any aggressive lock on of any Russian fighters. The crew that knew this were upset they were not allowed to properly defend themselves and have become tired of the way the military has been ran in this manner. Now I have no way of officially confirming this but this type of action where our military has been ordered to stand down and show no aggressive posture has been happening all the time. As for EMP, well we have already tested and hardened our systems against this type of attack and right now nuclear detonation is the biggest non natural source of high EMP energy. Russia would never show their hand if they had a way of shutting down the Aegis system. We still have ships in the black sea so to say we have not been back there is hilarious.

originally posted by: USSGOBLiN
Here is what I was told, an order was in place that if the USS Donald Cook encountered any Russian aircraft it was to shut down its systems and not to take any aggressive lock on of any Russian fighters. The crew that knew this were upset they were not allowed to properly defend themselves and have become tired of the way the military has been ran in this manner.

There's probably a good reason: to preclude the use of gathering signals intelligence from the defense systems.

a reply to: Zaphod58

are you a Russian or a military person? you keep saying theres no way this and theres no way that but you dont know what they know (Americans and Russian) and I highly doubt you understand how Russians think..

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I do know that they're not stupid enough to give us any kind of clue about a major leap forward in systems that can take an Aegis down and give us a opportunity to counter it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

do you? again you don't KNOW jack. you don't get intelligence reports. you are not involved. and you are no strategist. maybe the americans KNOW it and the Russians know they know it and scaring the crew of the uss Donald cook and sending ripples through the military, intelligence, and civilian communities is a pretty smart move. maybe there is no counter and the Russians know it. why wouldn't they use it if there were no counter to it?

or maybe the united states just wanted to see if the could patrol the black sea unopposed and Russia showed them that they could not and everyone just went home and Russia took the opportunity to release some brilliant propaganda making themselves looks superior. Im gonna guess and say that the latter is the most likely case. and America should take notes. they keep making themselves look stupid and might actually have their own people behind them if they put some effort into it.

there are a million of speculative scenarios one could go through. all im saying is stop thinking you know anything. learn some humility.

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

I don't think I know everything, and am the first to admit when I'm wrong. I'll gladly admit it when I'm wrong in fact. I've also spent almost 40 years studying both the US and Russian militaries, the tactics they use, etc. And I have a healthy respect for both sides.

The Russians have never unveiled a game changing piece of hardware, that I've seen or read about, on a soft target like a single Destroyer.

The system described has been studied in great detail on multiple sites that I follow, and all the non-classified information has been torn into.

So no, I'm not in Intel, and I don't know it all, but I am fairly confident that this was nothing but propaganda. Show that I'm wrong and I'll gladly admit it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

and I agree with you. but my point is is that you don't know. don't act like you do. everything you've read on that system might be bull#. just more propaganda. it might not exist it might be totally different than what you have read.

and if you've studied the Russians you would also know that they often act in unexpected ways when the situation calls for it. they love to confuse and they love catching their enemy off guard. and most obvious of all is they are very territorial.

Could be some kind of disclosure, I remember years ago when ships defense systems were locked to the satellite constellations using something like the old rubidium clock standard. The Russians have at times been ahead of the US in space systems and more recently have worked with the US and other countries. There is undoubtedly an International kill switch up there thats controlled by the multinational entity (at least since the 60's).

Why disclose now, that would be my question?

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

Just a friendly tip here. It is well known here on ATS and in some circles of the internet and outside of it, where people really know what they are talking about in regards to aviation that Zaph really, kinda, sorta knows his stuff. Enough to make you wonder sometimes why he even bothers with threads like this one. The stuff that guy knows and CAN'T tell us would probably make all of our heads spin.

PS there are quite a few members here at ATS that really, really know what they are talking about in the subject matter of their expertise.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Zap kind of hinted that this would have to be some kind of warning against any crews thinking of implementing a rogue ship attack.

a reply to: Zaphod58

russians are working on a home brewed dual core processor.

yummy if it performs as well as the specs say it does.

a reply to: cenpuppie

They're catching up fast in EW. The West still has an advantage, but it's largely because of processor speed. This will go a ways towards leveling the EW field. The West still has a couple tricks up their sleeve, but that sleeve is getting shorter fast.

One of the worst things the Pentagon did was to kill the Raven and Weasel after Desert Storm without a replacement. The F-16 does the Weasel mission now, but they're using single seat versions, not the two seat that they used before, that were so effective.

Without the Raven, the Air Force eventually had to go hat in hand to the Navy to put crews on the Prowler. It set back EW years.

a reply to: Zaphod58

doesnt the new f-35 have an EW suite onboard? one of the variations do, i believe.

and is it true what i've read, that russians missles couldn't hit the broadside of a barn without them finally getting the right chips from us to improve accuracy?

a reply to: cenpuppie

There are a couple amazing EW suites out there that the US has in their pocket. The Air Force just doesn't have a dedicated platform anymore.

The US deliberately gave the Soviet Union some missile technology for their ICBM force in the 60s. One of them was the PAL system to prevent someone that shouldn't from launching a missile. Some of that probably could have been converted to other missiles.

a reply to: Zaphod58


" There are a couple amazing EW suites out there that the US has in their pocket. The Air Force just doesn't have a dedicated platform anymore. "



"But Zaph what about the..." (GGKKKHHHH!!! Bass grabs collar like he's choking GHAAAACKK...GGGK!!! Slumps out of chair and passes out onto the ground.)

Cuts to Zaph doing the Jedi Force Choke towards his computer screen, satisfied smile on his face.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

That sad devotion to the ancient religion of dedicated.

We find your lack of faith disturbing.

originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: BASSPLYR

That sad devotion to the ancient religion of dedicated.

We find your lack of faith disturbing.

mhmmmyes...faithless you are hmmm.

Looks like there may be something to this after all...

Russia claims to have developed secret 'superweapon' capable of switching off foreign satellites and enemy weapons
Krasuha-4 system can suppress cruise missile's guidance systems
Ground tests expected to begin within months
Weapons will be mounted on jets and warships


Russia has claimed to have built a revolutionary new weapon system that can render enemy satellites and weapons useless.

Its Russian makers say it is a ‘fundamentally new electronic warfare system’ which can be mounted on ground-based as well as air- and sea-borne carriers.

However, it has refused to reveal how the system works.

It is described as ‘a fundamentally new electronic warfare system capable of suppressing cruise missile and other high-precision weaponry guidance systems and satellite radio-electronic equipment.’

‘The system will target the enemy’s deck-based, tactical, long-range and strategic aircraft, electronic means and suppress foreign military satellites’ radio-electronic equipment,,’ Russia’s Radio-Electronic Technologies Group (KRET) Deputy CEO Yuri Mayevsky told Russian news agency TASS.

www.dailymail.co.uk...