Most insane, ignorant, evil thing I've ever heard...

Interesting...

Like so many other missives, I will save this for any possible prosperity; such as...

When they shut down all oil production and millions are left out of work; lose their homes and begin living on the government dole that without oil production will soon dwindle to nothing.

See, Socialism does not work for this very reason. Soon those employed learn that they have nothing to gain when their neighbors can sleep in while they get up to make the money the government gives the non-workers for free. Eventually the workers quit to join the non-workers and then where does the government get the money? Oh yeah, they print more... LMAO LMAO..

While the big oil execs do in fact make a tidy profit, I sense much jealousy and wonder if you were making that kind of money would your priorities be the same.. Of course all will say YES, but in real life that's not true.

So we shut down oil exploration and future drilling and what happens?

Convenience Stores all across the nation shut down.. Millions unemployed
Gas stations, Millions More
Truckers.. MILLIONS Out Of Work
Millions more can not afford the gas to even go to work.. Millions more unemployed

Products lost to us..

Plastics
Nylon, Solvents, Diesel fuel, Motor Oil
Bearing Grease, Ink, Floor Wax
Ballpoint Pens
Football Cleats
Upholstery
Sweaters
Boats
Insecticides
Bicycle Tires
Sports Car Bodies
Nail Polish
Fishing lures
Dresses
Tires
Golf Bags
Perfumes
Cassettes
Dishwasher parts
Tool Boxes
Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet
Caulking
Petroleum Jelly
Transparent Tape
CD Player
Faucet Washers
Antiseptics
Clothesline, Curtains, Food Preservatives, Basketballs, Soap, Vitamin Capsules, Antihistamines


This is VERY much a partial list, think 2%; yet all would suffer and eventually disappear if we stop oil production..

Or how about we get the government to control oil production... HHHHMMMMMM Good idea?

Let's look at some government programs and see how successful they are..

Obamacare - Current Cost 2.6 TRILLION.. (Yep with a "T")
Prohibition
Immigration Reform - Billions
War on Drugs - Billions
Farm Subsidies
Ethanol
Green Jobs

Well I could go on, but the point is made.. Anything the government controls, is FUBARed and costs us the money we need the Big Oil Companies to make the jobs we work to pay the taxes so the government has the money to screw up more programs..

WHAT???????

I teach survival, and I bet spend more time in the forest than most here, and there is NO ONE here that loves our rich natural resources more than me; but there is a fine line between knee jerk reaction and over-action.

We need oil... There is enough oil for our needs if handled correctly and it is OBVIOUS the government will only screw it up, take our jobs and bankrupt they nation if we let them have control.

Lets look at some examples of bright ideas...

Wind energy - Maybe one day but the tech is not here yet
Solar - Same
Electric Cars - ?????? GOOD LORD PEOPLE YOU PLUG THEM IN...... Where do you think the electric comes from that charges them????? Oil and Coal... YES.. OIL and COAL...

I don't have the answers, if I did I would be rich. I do however, understand the answer is NOT government control or the cessation of drilling..

The truth is painful at times..

a reply to: semperfortis

just wanted to add that all those plastic petroleum products can be replaced by plastic non petroleum products, so the product loss isnt really an issue, however they certainly aren't as profitable so companies might not be willing to bother producing them. but yes there are many ways to make plastics without petroleum.

a reply to: pryingopen3rdeye

Agree....

As long as we are willing to ....

1. Absorb the increase in cost production

2. Absorb the MILLIONS that lose their jobs in the "Petrol Plastic Industry"

3. Accept inferior products

Semper

originally posted by: semperfortis
a reply to: pryingopen3rdeye

Agree....

As long as we are willing to ....

1. Absorb the increase in cost production

2. Absorb the MILLIONS that lose their jobs in the "Petrol Plastic Industry"

3. Accept inferior products

Semper

1. is not something you can really readily know without writing out the whole business plan, unless your privy to such?

2. would the difference in employees needed really be so much different? again privy to some plans?

3. inferior in what way? that most of the alternatives biodegrade? sure they wont be sturdy for as long, but then they dont pollute either so thats an arguable win loose situation.


anyhow its all pretty mute since the only time any of that is gonna happen is once there is no more oil left anyhow and we have no other choice,

a reply to: pryingopen3rdeye

1. Just investigate and compare the cost production analysis between the two products..
Easy to do and dispels any conspiracy crump

2. See above / Production is dramatically different and would require different production facilities (More money.. MILLIONS), differently trained employees (Millions More) ETC

3. Inferior in every way until technology catches up...

Google is your friend

Semper

originally posted by: semperfortis
Lets look at some examples of bright ideas...

Wind energy - Maybe one day but the tech is not here yet
Solar - Same
Electric Cars - ?????? GOOD LORD PEOPLE YOU PLUG THEM IN...... Where do you think the electric comes from that charges them????? Oil and Coal... YES.. OIL and COAL...

Wind, Solar, Tidal, and yes, even Citrus Fruit energy are all ideas. Ideas that do not get explored for the very reason you put so much emphasis on jobs. If you replace Oil, you replace America.

Oh I even forgot about Tesla. Not the cars, but Tesla himself. We could of had wireless energy but look at what happened.

The problem with any living being is its inability to accept when any other being is able to outdo, or out perform it. So we created a world where there is a superficial. There is a limit. There is a huge thorn in the side of America's real growth and we put them there because that is what we are best at. Patent office, Endangered Species Act, Income Tax, Police, Government. Everything about this country is hindering progress. It is keeping things the way they are because people hate it when someone tramples on their pride.


If only we could just accept the fact that someone can do it better, then the world would become a better place. But society hates that. HELL NO I MADE IT! I'M THE BEST. HEAR ME ROAR WITH MY LOBBYISTS AND PAYOFFS!

Everything about America is about keeping things exclusive. And instead of integrating, people begin to garner a hatred inside of them against others. It can be something as simple as a choice of favorite colors, to the point where someone thinks the other isn't smart enough.

This world will continue to stunt its own growth until we learn how to really make things a better place, absent the minds of the superficial.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: FyreByrd
Honestly, I don't mean to be snarky but----

And it is just such short-sighted nationalistic viewpoint that will - not only deplete, as you say, vital resources, but actually increase dependence on petroleum products. That is what sickens me; the ignorance of the scope of oil addiction.

Drilling is a dirty business, mining of any kind actually, no matter what you hide from view. But the process isn't the ultimate problem. It is the pollution that is directly attributable to all stages of oil production from the manufacturing of drilling and fracking equipment to hosing off the spilled oil on your car after a fill up.

And being short-sighted only exacerbates the problem and could lead to a point where the world has to go 'cold turkey' when the oil is gone.

There are things that are petroleum based - such as plastics that are truly beneficial in specific areas (medicine). With wisdom and compassion we can pull back from the brink (maybe - it's not a sure thing any longer) rather then rush hell bent for money into the zombie apocalypse that so many seem to eagerly await.

a reply to: semperfortis

But you never mention the millions of new jobs in new industries with new clean technologies - most start-ups that will put there money into circulation in local economies.

You don't mention how localized energy production is a more robust, dependable and efficient system that keeps money flowing in the local economy. The US army is planning and implementing base energy self-sufficiency as we speak.

Money isn't the problem, technology isn't the problem. The problem is fear. For the big business interests - who suck money out of local economies like a huge vacuum - they fear for their very existence and should (the railroads have all but died), the wealthy fear losing their privledge. For the common person - it's fear of the unknown; like a battered woman clings to her abuser for fear of something new. The known however bad is preferable to the vast unknown.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: FyreByrd
Honestly, I don't mean to be snarky but----

And it is just such short-sighted nationalistic viewpoint that will - not only deplete, as you say, vital resources, but actually increase dependence on petroleum products. That is what sickens me; the ignorance of the scope of oil addiction.

Drilling is a dirty business, mining of any kind actually, no matter what you hide from view. But the process isn't the ultimate problem. It is the pollution that is directly attributable to all stages of oil production from the manufacturing of drilling and fracking equipment to hosing off the spilled oil on your car after a fill up.

And being short-sighted only exacerbates the problem and could lead to a point where the world has to go 'cold turkey' when the oil is gone.

There are things that are petroleum based - such as plastics that are truly beneficial in specific areas (medicine). With wisdom and compassion we can pull back from the brink (maybe - it's not a sure thing any longer) rather then rush hell bent for money into the zombie apocalypse that so many seem to eagerly await.

WOW! Who gets to decide what is "truly beneficial" and can be manufactured of precious resources? What basis will the deciders use to define beneficial?
You can call me all the names you like, but I noticed that you didn't answer my inquiry about whether or not you've ever seen a modern, actual, working oil well.
You seem to be living in the Dark Ages here, unaware that anything has changed in the past 40 years. I know because I heard those arguments, hell, I made those arguments many times, 40 years ago. It was true then and we had photos showing the damages. But laws were passed, technologies were advanced and the methodology was cleaned up.
If you want to go about holding "The End is Nigh" signs, that's certainly your right but science and technology just might sneak up and save us all. So, in the meantime, my position is that if I am going to be buying things made from fossil fuels, I'd rather my brother and sister citizens reap the profits from those resources rather than sending them to people in far away countries who just don't have much liking for us.
Drilling and mining are dirty businesses, no doubt about it. So are many, many other businesses---animal slaughter, farming, handling waste products....but the thing about our wonderful minds is that we can use them to make those processes, if not less dirty, then safer in the long run if we apply what we have learned in the past. Sitting around grousing about things that happened 40 years ago and pretending it is still happening just isn't productive. Getting income streams cut off for literally thousands of families who own mineral rights isn't a nice thing to do to a country with a struggling economy. You may be sure that Big Oil hasn't suffered. That's what you hear about on the news...all their profiteering...but what you didn't hear about were all the small, independent folk out there who didn't have the capital for the bribes needing to be paid to stay in business when some branch of some governmental agency knocked on their door.
There are literally thousands of wells in the US, already dug, already modernized and non-polluting, that have been idled because there was some government agency that made a declaration saying there was a possibility of pollution occurring. There is no logical, scientific reason for those wells to be shut down and revenues from them lost. The landowners and the leasing companies have no say in this unless they want to spend millions of dollars to fight whatever federal agency in on their list.
Do you honestly believe that one fine day we'll wake and to an announcement that all the oil wells in the world have gone dry? or is that "cold turkey" stuff the same as zombie invasions?
Of course, we as a thinking people will figure it out just as civilizations before us figured out how to adapt to changing conditions. There are small groups of people all over the world today figuring it out, figuring out what will work for them and working to implement the solutions. They are the people that realize that the gubermint's idea of "one size fits all" just doesn't work efficiently.
Would you have us hoard our resources and put government in charge of the hoarding? How far are you willing to extend that net?

a reply to: FyreByrd

I'm not sure how to answer this with you showing such a complete lack of understanding of both economics and business systemics...

Perhaps in 1947 or 48 some of what you say would be at least partially accurate; but now it is all nonsense..

Calling for the complete overhaul and revamping of one of the single largest business systems in the world and replacing it with "start up" is foolish and showing a complete lack of understanding the present world economy..