Irrefutable proof God exists\ does not exist AND who He blesses\ does not bless\ I need help!

Hi everyone.

I'm a God believing Christian and I believe in a God who blesses me when I walk on His path and allows discipline to me when I do wrong things according to His wisdom. He only allows the discipline to show me the incorrectness of walking on the ”bad” path so I can go back to the ”good” path so He can bless me again because He loves to bless me and hurts when I need to be disciplined.

God's world, God's law.

I'm trying to gather information on different people with different stories for example is there a GENUINE Jesus believing Christian out there and a genuine muslim and a genuine atheist and a genuine roman catholic, etc.

Then from those categories I want stories of amazing blessings\miracles AND stories of tragedy and unexplained loss (also how you coped with miracles\tragedy) from the people who genuinely follow these faiths with all their hearts, stories from people of these faiths who are luke warm, stories from people who have abandoned their faith but are still following the law of love and finally stories from people who are in or not in some kind of faith who are completely off the path and involved in all sorts of “other things.“ (Like drug abuse, prostitution, homosexual relationships, alcohol abuse and or any other self destructive vice or similar.)

I want to study the info and publish an article with the findings to see if “obeying God's laws“ brings more blessing and happiness that “disobeying God's laws“ and to see if this is enough evidence to finally prove God's invisible existence, which I'm hoping (but I will be 100% objective with the findings.)

I'm also going to conduct thorough research in the area where I live over the next couple of months also in this on going project to prove (or disprove) substantially some sort of correlation between obeying Gods commandments and receiving blessings, with real time examples and evidence.

Look inside and be honest with these stories guys and please NO works of fiction as we are looking for TRUTH. Please include occupation, religion and current status in the religion, ie zealous, luke warm, back-slidden or off the bus and your age (and any other details you see fit) if you submit a testimony.

Many many thanks to all contributors for your on going contributions and support with this research (I'm not looking for financial contributions, just written testimonies) (also I'm not a professional writer, this is amature research so no financial gain, its just a pool of knowledge for the sake of seeking TRUTH.)

Please submit any stories of miracles or tragedy no matter how big or small, all are significant,

Many many thanks
HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

All I can say is that obeying God's laws will definitely yield more fruit in life than disobeying them. However, there are those who feel they have obeyed these laws in full, and thus they are above their fellow man. These are the very archetypes of the pharisees that Jesus himself railed against.

I have seen things that have led me to believe that I am saved, despite the sinful piece of garbage that I am. I have seen other things that have called that salvation into question, and driven a dagger deep into my side, causing a wound which will never heal.

That is all I have to say about the matter. Good luck with your thread, and may it be troll free.

Edit to Add:

Incase you couldn't tell, I have disobeyed, and paid a heavy price.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

Why would God only bless Christians, what about the rest of the population of planet Earth?

Another thing, given he/she/its implied omnipotence how come only 32% of Humanity follow Christianity in one form or another, what happened to the other 68%?

Try following Kant's "Categorical Imperative":

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction.

You will find that it works just as fine.

a reply to: andy06shake

God doesn't bless only Christians and I never ever said that! Show me where I sai that! I want stories of blessing and tragedy from ALL religions! Please read and understand the thread! Do you have a miracle and\or tragedy story to share? If so what religion are you and what's your age and status as defined in my opening thread?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Thank you very much. Would you like to share your story? Please include peramiters as described in my opening thread. I so interested to hear your story. It will be unique and teach us all a valuable lesson. Do you have any blessing\ miracle stories?

a reply to: ManFromEurope
Great how about a story of someone (how about yourself) of a miracle\blessing or tragedy happening while
Following what you said please. We all want to know! Please be so kind as to include in the parameterss described in my opening thread as well. Many thanks.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

Not to share in public (at least not here)

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

Why don't I save you the time of gathering evidence, and let you know that without God a person cannot logically explain why they live there life the way they do.

Its called Presuppositional Apologetics.

Because presupposing things is not proving that they exist.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

a reply to: Woodcarver

Oh but reductio ad absurdums do that quite well.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

Cool idea for a thread. I hope it stays on course. I've always found testimonials of one sort or another to be interesting.

I am currently unemployed. I do 3D design though, and sell my models online. Nothing too fancy or impressive, but it's work towards a more rewarding end goal. A former Christian who now has no religion or belief in any claimed Gods or Goddesses. I was born June 25th 1987. I live at the end of the Oregon Trail (woot! history!). My parents became Christians after conceiving me, and helped build the small community baptist church I would end up going to for about sixteen years of my life. I have a lot of fond memories. There was never any indoctrination or pressure. Nor any hellfire and brimstone. Though those things weren't ignored. They just weren't ever used as fear tactics. It was a very warm and pleasant environment. Around the age of seven, while playing computer one day I decided I wanted to accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior and become born again. So I went into a dark place (the back of my parents closet) and prayed. I can't recall my exact words now but I admitted I was a sinner. I asked for forgiveness and asked that my sins be washed away. I wanted to be made white as snow. What I experienced next is a little hard to describe. I felt a "rushing of wind" within me, as if something was coming into my body and filling it with love, and acceptance. I broke down in tears of joy. A few minutes later I left the closet to tell my mom what I had done. Growing up I memorized Bible verses and lessons, and did daily devotions. Sometimes I would give my allowance to charities for hungry kids, or save the whales (HUGE fan of the ocean here). Of course some of it would also go to tithe. I was taught growing up that drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol were things I should never try. They were destructive to the body, which is a temple. Church was good growing up like that. Around fourteen I saw a member of the band my dad was in take a cigarette break, and was shocked! It's funny now ofc but up until that point I had never seen a Christian smoke or drink and assumed none did. No biggie though, just a bad habit. I started seeing hypocrisy in the church and then it hit home. It turned out that my dad was having an affair with my moms best friend. There was a lot of drama between the two families (my moms friend was also married). That in itself is a huge story that I won't dive into here. The end result however was divorce. The other family stopped going to that church, and so did my dad obviously. The church however, pretty much started the process of ostracizing my mother, two brothers, and I. It was a huge deal to the whole church as my dad was a leading member in some capacity. By that time I was tired of going to church anyway so I stopped. I became luke warm. I prayed on occasion. One day on the school bus home, there was an older girl teasing me. I wasn't in the mood that day. My first utterance of a curse word passed my lips as I told her to f off. Very strange though. I almost had to force it out. The same feeling of a rushing wind came upon me, only without the overwhelming joy. So I stayed luke warm for years. Eventually I started questioning my faith, and came to realize I saw many things that didn't make sense. Still, I couldn't bring myself to abandon it. I didn't realize it had a name at the time but, I was using Pascal's Wager on myself. One day I heard something on the radio from an unbeliever that registered with me. I was able to let my faith go. A few months after that, while searching the net for some extra terrestrial conspiracies I came across Dr. Scott Johnson. A zealous Christian that re-lit my fire. His take on the "big picture" of New World Order, aliens, fallen angels, etc. was right up my alley. So it was like that for a few months. I prayed for lengthy periods of time. I asked for forgiveness in ever abandoning my faith, and Jesus. I prayed for more faith, and guidance. I begged forgiveness for having Freemasons grandparents. I didn't want any of that generational sin! I prayed that any metaphysical connection to my pineal gland be severed so that I could never astral project, on accident or by intent. I started reading the Bible again. I read up on all the conspiracies within religion (some I'm still convinced of actually). I gave up any shows and video games that were unbiblical in the slightest. I did this.. I did that.. And you know what? Nothing. After a long time of nothing, I got tired of it. I decided that, I must be one of those people that is predestined to hell, conscience seared with a hot iron. I came to this conclusion because of my analytical thought process. I figured God doesn't want me because I ask too many questions. Too many questions and not enough faith. So I resigned myself to accepting my doom and went back to being luke warm. I still kept asking questions and found many faults with Christianity, and the Bible. I gave it up again. I called myself an agnostic (which is technically an atheist, let's be honest here) for a few months. One day I came across some atheist content on YouTube and realized that's where I actually fit. I also realized I'm becoming a skeptic in general. I now consider things differently than before. At any rate, a weight lifted off my shoulders when I finally admitted to myself that I see no evidence for a God, and shouldn't feel guilt or fear in concluding he doesn't exist. I don't base my conclusions solely on personal experience. Just f.y.i.

a reply to: andy06shake

You can "follow god's laws" without proclaiming yourself to be a Christian. You can follow God's laws without even realizing you're doing it, just by being a good person. I don't believe in a god who punishes you for accidentally believing the wrong thing. There are so many variations on "faith", and it would be rediculous to have some requirement that you have to believe in some exact combination of things in your head.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

"God doesn't bless only Christians and I never ever said that!

My apologies, the implication is there however, just look at the beliefs Christian priests instilled upon the crusaders who were essentially told that to kill an infidel is not Murder rather it is the path to heaven. One does not bless their enemy.

"I want stories of blessing and tragedy from ALL religions! Please read and understand the thread!"

Christianity along with all other organised religions are synonymous with tragedy, as to blessing that's just seeking approval.

"Do you have a miracle andor tragedy story to share?"

I exist therefore i am, some may well consider that very notion to be miraculous in itself. As to tragedy, well they do say life is pain.

"If so what religion are you and what's your age and status as defined in my opening thread?"

I was brought up in a Presbyterian household but these days i have to say I no longer subscribed to Christianity's interpretation of a Judeo Christian God. Which is not to say i harbour no belief in a God/Gods, I just cannot go the nonsensical rants regarding humanity's interpretation of such, aka our organised religious belief systems.

May I ask why you require my age and status, your not going to try and sell me something are you?

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
Ok I'll just give up then... Not

If you're so sure then I'm sure any evedance I garner will point to what you're saying without reproof. Or perhaps not. Let's just continue the research and see where it points and draw conclusions from actual real life situations of miracles\blessings vs. Tragedy\unexpected loss shall we?

I mean what have you got to loose?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Surely you realize you just gave up one faith for another?

Ok, so I think we can both agree on the statement, "If the foundation is flawed, then no applicable conditionals will be yielded."

What the OP has truly done is ask everyone to come, and express their world views. You used to hold a Theistic World View now it has become and Atheistic World View. So now the question becomes what is the foundation for an Atheistic World view and does it rely on faith? I can save you a lot of time by just telling you yes, but if you don't agree I suppose I would have to show you.

a reply to: wakeupbeer

Thank you for sharing and good luck in your business.

If I might add: I see a lot in your text that happened to shake your faith in Jesus and because of it you chose to put your faith in athiesm. I will be analizing your data carefully to add to the conclusions of my research. I'm not knocking you. You can believe what you want to believe I believe its between you and (in your case no one?)

I wish you jubilation through your life and salvation and peace in the afterlife (if such a thing exists)

Thank you for your bravery in sharing I'm sure we will all find in it the things we all look for in everything,

Regards
HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

Appologies to wakeupbeer. This reply is for you.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I couldn't get past the whole discipline thing. God doesn't hurt you, what he does is ALLOW things in your life. God allows life to happen. Because that is how we learn. Can he prevent bad things in our lives? yes... but can He give everyone everything they want in this life? No... so he gives us what we NEED.. and that is more.

Life is a learning process, and without the events that happen in your life, you wouldn't learn. But that doesn't mean God causes these things, we are the cause. Not just you, but every single choice you make, and all the people around you and the choices they make.

Sometimes, God puts the right person in your path, or prevents a thing... but that is not always. Life must happen, if we are to learn. But God places us in the best possible position to learn.

Not to punish.

I'd be afraid to tell you about events in my life that I see as a blessing, because you only see punishment.

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

I will gladly add to the discussion, an atheists outlook.

When you assume a world created and run by a god that is loving and just, you would expect fairness and consistency when he deals out reward and punishment. You say yourself that when you are following his lessons that you feel like he rewards you and vice versa. That would be consistant with a fair and just god.

But is that the world we live in? Where bad people get what they deserve, and good people are rewarded appropriately? Consistant responses without fail?


Is that testable? Well yes it would be. If you know what the rules are and what to expect as a reward or punishment. you should easily be able to tell who is following the rules because god would never have to punish them right? And bad people would never have an easy time of it?

Basically you are saying that kids deserve the cancer that they get. Or the burns from house fires that happens so often. And your ok with it and support gods decision to deal out punishment in this way.

Unless as most people claim, that no one is perfect, therefor everyone deserves punishment at some point right? So if god is fair and just, why would he make us in such a way that he knows he would have to deal out punishment. That seems like he has set us up to fail. Which is not fair or just.

Why would god ever punish someone who never veered from the path? Well ... To prove a point. Like with The story of Job. The story says that Job was beyond reproach and followed the rules to a tee. God still punished him because Satan dared him. Is that some thing he deserved? Is that something a fair and just god would do?

If god is not consistant when he deals out punishment and reward, then what is the point of following his rules? He may punish you on a whim, or elevate someone who has done something horrible to you.

Nothing in the bible shows me that the god it portrays is either just or fair. It is more of an example of something that should be shunned and fought for our own well being. It's commands, punishments, and rewards, are heinous and cruel. Nothing approaching fair and just. I would never worship an unfair god. I would fight him as i would fight any oppressor or slave master.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

OMG! Sorry but what I'm asking for are specifically stories of miracles\blessings or tragedy\loss as they relate to your specific religion, age, occupation, gender, etc.

Don't know why I'm so misunderstood by some, its not rocket science. Can we please stay on track, huh?