Part 1c - We are the fallen Angels in Human Form

a reply to: AlephBet

Early Egyptian, late second through to fifth century Christian-inspired texts are among some of the oldest surviving texts of Christian origin but are they actually Christian despite there Christian influence.

To understand my point I am going off slightly on a Tangent here.

At this time in the History of Egypt and this period in the history the Coptic Church Egyptian religion and philosophy was made up of many schools of thought and inspired by the already established and deeply entrenched fractious multi pantheist religions of both Egypt and the wider Roman world, at this time Egypt despite the loss of the great library century's before was seen as hub of wisdom, it was recorded that during the fire Scholars ran out of the building with there robes on fire carrying bundles of hastily gathered scroll's to try to save them from the revenge of the Roman army and laid down there lives in so doing.

In Egypt the Surviving scholars gathered what they could of the surviving works and this Gnosis (Greek-Knowledge) and Sophia (Greek-Wisdom) was not as dispersed as one would imagine in today's world, back then trade was the majority of transport and people would often stay in there homeland's so this meant that to protect what remained and fearing a second fire of Alexandria the scarce few surviving texts became closely guarded secrets of hidden enclaves of scholars, hidden sophist and gnostic movement's, some of course ended up being kept in the old pagan temple's of Egypt and maybe were lost in the religious war that later erupted between the Christians and the Pagans.

So any reference to early Christian texts of Egyptian origin must also be ware of the possible and indeed probably influence of these hidden Gnostic and Sophist School's of thought who wore the religion of the day as a cloak of convenience with there true loyalty being to there hidden knowledge which itself drew from pre Christian surviving texts from the great library but was watered down by both the previous religious codes of other religions in which they had encoded that knowledge to hide it and also by the tendancy of the human mind to form coherent patterns even in knowledge.

These Sophist and Gnostic School's of thought went on to spread around the early Christian world forming many off shoot's and reinterpretation's of the religion many of which were later declared heretical by other Off Shoot's but indeed the argument could be made are they too merely larger more dominant sophist schools, the answer to that argument is no.

Though texts do not survive so well when they are not hidden (by scholars in dry sand fearing they may be burned or destroyed by those who see them as heretical or blasphemous such as the Egyptian scholars who tried to save there library's) one of the oldest Christian tradition's in the world and perhaps the true mother church can be found in the form of the Syriac Orthodox Church who interestingly hold there Catachysm in Arameic which if you know was most likely the actual language that Jesus and the Disciples actually lived though then as now the scroll's would have been written in Hebrew.

Why is this important, well though in the Christian world there was a great crossover of knowledge the Syriac Orthodox church was founded by Peter who was the city of Antiochs first bishop before setting off to Rome and it was actually not a part of the much later Conclave of Nicenea though over time it's own scholars studied the works and catachysms of the other church's which they often disagreed with (Especially the Greek orthodox though there argument was not religious but territorial with them due to old feuds that grew quite bitter) they remained more or less identical to the other Christian church's in there overall view and after a major schim one half joined the catholic church whith whose catechism they agreed nearly totally.

Here is some information on these earliest and purest churches,
pluralism.org...

It is worth noting that a trick of Scholars was to hide there knowledge in plain sight, only those possessing the Key (Wisdom - Sophism - Enlightenment - Initiated) could then understand it and of course many early priests and members of the faith were actually scholars whose other faith and school of thought would have flavoured there approach to the Christian religion and so they may have encoded some of there knowledge within these early texts but they all saw the Christian way was TRUTH and this was held even above Gnosis and Sophism by All Scholars of all faith's.

You will see early Heretical or Gnostic Christian texts such as those Calling Sophia the Wife of Christ (Literally Wisdom not a woman) originating in Egypt from the third to fourth century.

You are correct to draw possible links between this text you reference and the early church as,

There were indeed Early Hebrew enclaves in Egypt and the Island of Elphantine has a remarkable discovery of a Jewish temple in Egypt that was possible burned down by Egyptian devotees of Khnum as the Jew's were sacrificing Goat's, then there is the very likely true claims of the Ethiopian orthodoxy that they are descendant's of Jew's and Jewish priests (Evidenced by there genetic markers which are beni cohen) who fled Judea to Egypt then up to lake Tana where to this day on an island in the lake there are Jewish sacrificial alters in the grounds of the Ethiopian orthodox monastery there where the priests would sprinkle the blood of the sacrificial goat or lamb on the congregation to wash away there sin's and they too deserve consideration in your research as it was among them that the lost book of Enoch was preserved (the one with Golden haired blue eyed angels and a blond blue eyed Noah who Enoch at first thought was not his son because he was like the sons of god that had come down and gone into the daughters of man and so he at first suspected his wife but God spoke to him about it and he knew it was his son), it is rumoured they still have vast guarded secret library's of early Hebrew and religions texts though likely they are passed on in there teaching's, if you get a chance go into an Ethiopian orthodox mass, you will feel the presence of god there.

Also remember the whole controversy that led to entire and today forgotten bloody and merciless wars and unforgivable act's by the later and less Christian church in the west based on arguments about reincarnation, the interpretation of early scriptures etc.

For example in the early western church Spaces were not used between the word's in there scriptorium's to save on parchment (usually cured lamb or goat hide but rarely actual very expensive parchment) and this led to an argument about the Holy Grail (the holy grail may actually be a western mistranslation though the cup that Christ drank from would be of immense importance to all Christians it was more about what was in it not the vessel itself.

In the texts in latin it would have been written thus sangreal which depending on which side you place the space on the letter g has two meanings, San Greal - HOLY GRAIL and Sang Real - BLOOD ROYAL (I think we would agree it was the Blood that was important).

The problem with Gnostic texts is these little errors are often deliberate so that the uninitiated will stumble and take the wrong path?.

When Nimrod fell, the fallen angels took control of the 70 tibes of the earth, while Yehwah-Elohim had to redeem the firstborn of Israel from Egypt, for Himself.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest I am not sure you have this quite right . In Daniel the angel comes to him but was later then when he started out to speak to Daniel . He mentions having to go help another angel .It could be that some of the tribal angels were either fallen or something else happened but it doesn't seem that all of them fell . imo peace

a reply to: AlephBet

Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: AlephBet

Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?

implying he isnt of the other variety.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

What if we are fallen angels and when we repent that is a fallen angel being "replaced"?

Mankind is fallen, look at the world we live in: perpetual war, propoganda, lies, deception, etc., all on the shoulders of man. Be the change you want to see in the world and you are no longer fallen.

If you truly love others and forgive their trespasses against you then you are also forgiven. If everyone acted in this way then Earth would be a paradise.

It starts on an individual basis though, no need for belief in anything, if you're a truly good person then you're a part of the solution not the problem.

a reply to: AlephBet

I enjoy the thread cause it raises many questions. I do not think the translation of they married women is correct. They came into the daughters of men and married souls. Meaning youu take it as a physical bond when it may be a spiritual one like puberty.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You cant produce good if your nature is fallen. First you must be redeemed by a non-fallen being, hence faith in Christ.

It starts on an individual basis though, no need for belief in anything, if you're a truly good person then you're a part of the solution not the problem.

If we are the fallen angels, then what do you call the evil transdimensional entities that attack us, and pull the strings behind the geopolitical curtain.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

19 “And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. 20 “But the LORD has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, from Egypt, to be a people for His own possession, as today.

The worship of fallen angels associated with astrology was given to the Gentile nations. They were ruled by fallen angels. God called Israel out to be sanctified.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So basically what you're saying is that if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins then you can't do any good? Or are you saying no one can do good at all? Either way you're wrong, just thought I'd ask.

Me giving to the needy isn't considered good? Me paying for the guy behind me's meal isn't good? What about someone who risks their life to save a stranger? Is that not good?

What evidence is there for these interdimensional entities? Occam's razor, there's no evidence that suggests anyone other than men are behind the curtain and pulling the strings.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I mean to say that man's definition of good and God's definition are two different things. A little speck of leaven ruins the whole loaf.

What evidence is there for these interdimensional entities? Occam's razor, there's no evidence that suggests anyone other than men are behind the curtain and pulling the strings.

Ive come in direct contact with these entities on dozens of occasions. Both my immidiate family, and my non-genetically related friends have experienced these entities as well. They haunt my bloodline for some reason, and it bramches out to my closest friends. So that rules out genetic psychosis and shared dilusion. Occam's razor needs sharpening. These entities have a hand in the Military-Intustrial Complex.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I mean to say that man's definition of good and God's definition are two different things. A little speck of leaven ruins the whole loaf.

What evidence is there for these interdimensional entities? Occam's razor, there's no evidence that suggests anyone other than men are behind the curtain and pulling the strings.

Ive come in direct contact with these entities on dozens of occasions. Both my immidiate family, and my non-genetically related friends have experienced these entities as well. They haunt my bloodline for some reason, and it bramches out to my closest friends. So that rules out genetic psychosis and shared dilusion. Occam's razor needs sharpening. These entities have a hand in the Military-Intustrial Complex.

there are an awful lot of things that doesnt rule out though. like the power of suggestion and gullibility. and without proper scientific investigation we have to assume that all possibilities are equally likely until we have successfully eliminated them. observer influence is a tricky thing to get around.

a reply to: TzarChasm

If I had any documentation, I would provide it, but its really something you have to experience on an individual level. I will say that inanimate objects have gone sailing across my bedroom at night, and sometimes I do get pulled out of body. The unexplainable happens to me.

Without jesus in your heart and guiding you you can not know if the good you do serves the greater good in the long term. Deeds may seem good but who knows perhaps that person chokes on that burger and dies when all he wanted was some fries. If you are not serving the lord then who are you serving givin that we know not everything. However being good does seem to be better for everyone. Works without faith are dead.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Men are behind the MIC, not some interdimensional entities no one has ever seen. There's no reason to turn something natural into the supernatural. Men like power so they trick others for their own benefit, nothing more nothing less. That's what you see in places of power, men wanting more of it, not interdimensional aliens invading their minds.

Also, the fact these entities are interested in your bloodline actually points more toward a genetic defect rather than something invading your mind from the outside. It could also be a case of the beliefs of the family, they see anything out of their comfort zone or belief system as "evil".

People raised to reject anything outside of what they've been raised to believe usually see things that make them question their convictions as "demonic" when in actuality it is their own soul trying to wake them up to reality.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Maybe you didnt read my reply too well. My friends, who are not blood relatives are affected too, and they used to be athiests, now they're agnostic. They thought I was nuts, now its an everyday thing for them.

As far as the MIC is concerned, I had a distant relative that died of radiation poisoning who would disagree with you.

Ive lost one chlidhood friend to demonic possession (Im talking supernatural crap). Another chlidhood friend is well on that path, and my half-brother is now a believer in the paranormal. These are all "Occam's razor" types, yet their association with me has shattered that line of thought, and it wasnt my doing, they still dont believe in my theology.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

"Demonic possession" is schizophrenia in my opinion, a chemical imbalance in the brain. "Supernatural" is just the natural with human imagination added to it. Just my opinion.

And what does radiation poisoning have to do with interdimensional entities? Radiation poisoning is the result of overexposure to radiation, not interdimensional entities.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Job 19 is a condemnation against those who would conspire against Christ, it does not by any means imply that Christ (even as Yehwah) was guilty of anything.

Ezekiel 28 is the story of the fallen guardian cherub. Ruth is the story of the Guardian Redeemer. Job 19 tells you the story.

Job 19

25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

---The topic is the Redeemer. Clearly, the HIM below this is the Redeemer that Job knew.

28 “If you say, ‘How we will hound HIM,
since the root of the trouble lies in HIM,’
29 you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.”

Subject / Object. You must read it for what it says and about who it is speaking.

Yehwah was not the Lamb in the OT form, but He did know that He would become the Lamb, and He even planned on it. The temple rituals of the spotless lamb slaughters were His ordinance, those were designed to teach that Yehwah would eventually incarnate, and pay for the sins of man.

Genesis 8

YAHWEH SPEAKS - Scholars call this the J voice for Jehovah.

20 Noah built an altar to Yahweh. On it he made a burnt offering of each type of clean[a] animal and clean bird. 21 Yahweh smelled the soothing aroma. Yahweh said to himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of humans, even though from birth their hearts are set on nothing but evil. I will never again kill every living creature as I have just done.

22 As long as the earth exists,
planting and harvesting,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never stop.”

Now, we go to the E voice of Elohim. Scholars note that there are two voices speaking throughout the Torah.

Chapter 9
9 Elohim blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fertile, increase in number, and fill the earth. 2 All the wild animals and all the birds will fear you and be terrified of you. Every creature that crawls on the ground and all the fish in the sea have been put under your control. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be your food. I gave you green plants as food; I now give you everything else.

---Here, Elohim blesses Noah and his Sons. He lifts the vegetarian diet.

4 “But you are not to eat meat with blood in it. (Blood is life.) 5 In addition, I will demand your blood for your life. I will demand it from any animal or from any person. I will demand the life of any person who kills another person.

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

7 Be fertile, and increase in number. Spread over the earth, and increase.”

---Verse 6 is the key. Not only is he telling Yahweh what will happen to him because of shedding Adams blood and taking the rib to form Eve, he reminds him why. BECAUSE in His Image, Elohim made humans (both male and female). Not divided, but unified. What does Yahweh then do to mankind to further divide him? He chooses ONE nation, causing war. How does Elohim respond to this eventuality?

8 Elohim also said to Noah and his sons, 9 “I am going to make my promise[a] to you, your descendants, 10 and every living being that is with you—birds, domestic animals, and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ship—every living thing on earth. 11 I am making my promise to you. Never again will all life be killed by floodwaters. Never again will there be a flood that destroys the earth.”

12 Elohim said, “This is the sign of the promise I am giving to you and every living being that is with you for generations to come. 13 I will put my rainbow in the clouds to be a sign of my promise to the earth. 14 Whenever I form clouds over the earth, a rainbow will appear in the clouds. 15 Then I will remember my promise to you and every living animal. Never again will water become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember my everlasting promise to every living animal on earth.”

17 So Elohim said to Noah, “This is the sign of the promise I am making to all life on earth.”

---The Rainbow is the promise that ALL nations will be blessed. Remember, Noah was with His Sons as the only people on Earth after the flood. This is a prophecy of what Elohim will do in our day and age to keep the Son from destroying the world. When Yahweh told Jonah that Nineveh was an important city, he spared the city. A few prophets later and he utterly destroys it. We know the history of this event. Nineveh is gone today, as are their descendents for the most part (scattered).

This story is not over yet. Yahweh became a new creation. He was. As Christ, He is. He still must be the one to come. Was, IS and IS to come. What does Job say of this number three?

Jonah cries from the belly of the Earth/Fish. What does he cry and what is the answer?

Job 33 (How old was Christ at death? 33)

v26 He will pray to God and God will answer him.
He will again be God’s friend.
And he will enjoy that.
God will know him to be a good man again.

v27 Then he will say to people, “I did wrong things.
I did not live the right way but God *forgave me.

28 He saved me from death.
And now I will live to enjoy the light.”

v29 God does all these things to people.
He does them twice and sometimes three times.

v30 He saves them from death.
Then he lets them again enjoy their lives.

God forgave me. Elohim forgave Yahweh. Two, sometimes Three times it takes.

a reply to: LABTECH767

It is worth noting that a trick of Scholars was to hide there knowledge in plain sight, only those possessing the Key (Wisdom - Sophism - Enlightenment - Initiated) could then understand it and of course many early priests and members of the faith were actually scholars whose other faith and school of thought would have flavoured there approach to the Christian religion and so they may have encoded some of there knowledge within these early texts but they all saw the Christian way was TRUTH and this was held even above Gnosis and Sophism by All Scholars of all faith's.

I get all that you say, but I have already deciphered the ordinances leading to the questions of the Catechism. The truth hidden in plain sight is the symbolism I have unraveled for the better part of my life. My view of the outer scriptures is guided by this knowledge. There are only a handful of documents you will ever hear my quoting. By necessity, they hold keys to the symbols scribed into the Bible. I am also guided by a hermeneutic founded on the Seven Rules of Hillel. My adherence to these rules keeps me grounded in the truth, able to filter what is counterfeit to it. By practice, my view has taken shape according to the rules of the scribes themselves.

Your warning of the Gnostic view is warranted, but so is it valuable to glean from their field. Chaff and wheat can be sifted.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: AlephBet

Did it hurt when you fell from heaven?

There are two bodies on Earth. The Sons of Darkness and the Sons of Light. This document gives you the outline: Document Belonging to the Instructor.

Read it and you will know which I am and possibly which you are. I wouldn't pretend to know about you, but I do know about myself.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

There is schitzophrenia, then there is possession. Possessed people know things they shouldnt know, they have the strength of multiple people combined. Thats what Im talking about.

My grandfather's brother tested nukes for the govt, before the harmfull effects fallout radiation were common knowledge. He would black out and claim that he and the govt were in contact with aliens and gaining knowledge from them. The some of signs that he exibited, I have noticed in my friends. To my knowledge, he died an unbeliever. My friends were all fine until I became a christian and began studying the angelic conflict in the bible. None of them had prior histories of psychosis. Not everything can be explained by psychology.