Jesus Christ Had Two Kids With A Prostitute, ‘Lost Gospel’ Claims

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: daaskapital

I also just noticed this claims that Mary Magdalene was the wife (which is the most commonly accepted person as she is referred to as his companion), but Mary Magdalene was NOT a prostitute...

Source

Anyone with any knowledge would not claim Magdalene was a prostitute, which makes me further question the credibility of the authors.

Mary Magdalene was not, but Mary of Bethany was.

You find no disgrace about her when Jesus treats her fairly in front of the Pharisees.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Do you consider Samson to be a type of Christ ? They were both Nazarites and both lead/overshadowed by the spirit of God. Why was Samson involved with Delilah ? He obviously knew what she was ?

a reply to: WarminIndy

Where do you get your information from, conspiracy theorists? Please, search Torah and when you show us the law, we will be more than pleased to look at it.

What on earth are you going on about?

You own post tells you the origin of the law!

The first positive commandment of the Bible, according to rabbinic interpretation (Maimonides, "Minyan ha-Miẓwot," 212), is that concerning the propagation of the human species (Gen. i. 28). It is thus considered the duty of every Israelite to marry as early in life as possible.

"Be fruitful and multiply" is the first commandment that God gives, period. No one was exempt from God's commandments, not even Jesus.

Then, from your own source!

Age for Marriage.
The first positive commandment of the Bible, according to rabbinic interpretation (Maimonides, "Minyan ha-Miẓwot," 212), is that concerning the propagation of the human species (Gen. i. 28). It is thus considered the duty of every Israelite to marry as early in life as possible. Eighteen years is the age set by the Rabbis (Ab. v. 24); and any one remaining unmarried after his twentieth year is said to be cursed by God Himself (Ḳid. 29b). Some urge that children should marry as soon as they reach the age of puberty, i.e., the fourteenth year (Sanh. 76b); and R. Ḥisda attributed his mental superiority to the fact that he was married when he was but sixteen years old (Ḳid. l.c.). It was, however, strictly forbidden for parents to give their children in marriage before they had reached the age of puberty (Sanh. 76b). A man who, without any reason, refused to marry after he had passed his twentieth year was frequently compelled to do so by the court.

I suppose you think that Jesus would qualify for this exception, below, but according to the story, Jesus didn't start his ministry until he was 30. Plenty of time to do his bedroom duty and have an off spring.

To be occupied with the study of the Torah was regarded as a plausible reason for delaying marriage; but only in very rare instances was a man permitted to remain in celibacy all his life (Yeb. 63b; Maimonides, "Yad," Ishut, xv. 2, 3; Shulḥan 'Aruk, Eben ha-'Ezer, 1, 1-4; see Celibacy).

Why would Jesus need to be occupied by the Torah? He knew it better than anyone, right!

Now, you say this citation, above, is too modern to apply to the 1st century culture. I say they were even stricter about Jewish bachelors running around unmarried during the 1st century. After all, they were still stoning adulterers! Middle ages priests, monks and celibacy were a catholic thing, not a Jewish thing.

Seems to me, I recall God killing Onan for refusing to have sex with his brother's widow, his new wife. And then there was the Benjamin brothers who didn't get wives in the last killing spree so did what ever it took to meet the Mizpah! www.biblegateway.com...

a reply to: WarminIndy

Right, the source I linked says that.

The article in the OP says Magdalene though.

a reply to: daaskapital

LOL "lost gospel." More like invented satanic trash to temporarily ease the guilt and expectation of hellfire. Very temporary I might add.

originally posted by: HarryJoy
a reply to: WarminIndy

Do you consider Samson to be a type of Christ ? They were both Nazarites and both lead/overshadowed by the spirit of God. Why was Samson involved with Delilah ? He obviously knew what she was ?

No.

Samson was also a drunken slut.

a reply to: windword

You are talking about the Levirate Law, which was already in place in that Canaanite culture long before the law came into being, and Onana lived before Moses.

When you say "LAW", that means you are referring to the 630 laws of Moses. And go ahead, tell us about Levirate law.

Levirate law was enforced long before Moses and long before the Jewish community. It was invoked by Ruth and Boaz, however, Ruth was from Moab. She was married to one of the sons of Naomi, but at widowhood, only converted to Naomi's religion in order to go with her back to Judah.

The law stated that a brother of the dead husband could marry the wife, but it was for her protection, otherwise she would have no property to live on. But this was well established long before the rabbinical tradition, because in those days, the Danites were still judges. Show me in the 630 laws of Moses that young man HAD to marry.

No, he did not have to marry, and he could at any time choose not to redeem the wife as the kinsman and passed it off, that's why Boaz got to marry Ruth, because the man closest in kinsman to her husband didn't want her because she was from Moab, so he threw his shoe at Boaz, which was a cultural tradition long before Moses.

So, tell us, in the 630 laws of Moses, where is the law that young men had to marry?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: WarminIndy

Right, the source I linked says that.

The article in the OP says Magdalene though.

I like Mary of Bethany, and the Bible does say that Jesus said wherever the Gospel is preached, there is to be a memorial to her, because she represented what we are to be, the one most forgiven is the one most thankful.

a reply to: WarminIndy

So, you think that once Moses came along, God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply no longer meant anything, because that command wasn't included in the 10 Commandments? Or was Moses' God a different God than the God of Adam and Eve and of Noah?

A man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife, and they will become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24)

Oh, I guess you're right. God probably meant some men, shall leave their mothers!

Although he did, supposedly, create man and woman, he created them both, male and female, and he blessed them and commanded them to be be fruitful and multiply, but that can be accomplished by rape and sexual philanthropy! Right?

I guess when God commanded Noah and his family to be fruitful and multiply that really only meant, if you feel like it!, right?

But if a Jewish boy, age 16-20 didn't feel like getting married, no problem! Yeah right! LOL You think that your fully human Jesus, at age 16-20, was exempt from God's mandate to be fruitful and multiply?

I think that you're just making stuff up to make excuses for your mythical virginal Jesus and how he would never have participated in icky messy sex. His poop didn't stink either, it came out like pure white fluffy marshmallows and angles kissed his butt clean.

Bah, this has been in the mainstream Bible the entire time. That whole "washing his feet with her hair" thing?

Scripture often uses euphamisms. "Feet" for instance, is a catch-all for everywhere below the navel. It can really mean feet, yes. or it could be something that isn't usually measured with feet.

Ever tried to wash anything with a handful of hair? I'm a long-haired guy who enjoys a good shower. it doesn't really work.

But if we understand "feet' to mean... something else, and "washing with hair" to be a clever metaphor... we're looking at the Big J getting a BJ.

a reply to: TheTengriist

Well, that's a completely different Mary, and no, it was absolutely the feet.

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a reply to: Kantzveldt

The text states that Joseph became king of egypt for 47 yrs....

Which pharaoh would that make him then?

a reply to: combatmaster

He was second to Pharaoh. There were a few kings, but only one Pharaoh.

a reply to: raymundoko

And Pharaoh [9] died at [10] the age of one hundred and nine; and he left his crown [11] to Joseph. 11. And Joseph was king of Egypt for [10] forty-eight years. 12. And after this Joseph gave the crown to Pharaoh's grandson; and Joseph was like a father to him in Egypt.

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It clearly states that pharaoh handed down the crown to joseph.

a reply to: combatmaster

Oh, I completely missed the source, I confused posts. My fault. I'll have to read it.

I will firstly say that I am not a Christian, I was raised Jewish (currently see myself as a deist, as I can not subscribe to a religion as I see it as mans invention to control people). If you look at Christ from a purely historical perspective then he would be a "Rabbi" and as such it would have been expected of him to marry and produce offspring!!! Now without any intent to offend any Christians, the bible has been edited and translated many many times so it can only serve as a tool of faith rather than as a historical document. To a Jews eyes it makes perfect sense that he would be married.

Wait a sec - the Pharaoh of Egypt married them? That makes no sense whatsoever - the last Pharaoh was Cleopatra! Egypt had been under the personal rule of the Emperor of Rome ever since Augustus won the last battle of the First Century BC civil wars!

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Not Jesus, Joseph. The OP is trying to say Jesus was Joseph...Which makes no sense.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Not Jesus, Joseph. The OP is trying to say Jesus was Joseph...Which makes no sense.

None of it makes any sense. Cleopatra had been dead since 30 BC and she'd been a bit busy helping Marcus Antonius with the little matter of a massive war against Augustus.