What is the evidence for evolution?

a reply to: peter vlar

Also we are not decended from the modern apes, we share a common ancestor. I am not descended from my cousins father (for example), but they (and he) share a common set of ancestors (my now dead grandparents). Its one of those common fallacies that anti-evolutionists try to perpetuate to muddy the waters. Along with "violates the second law of thermodynamics" and "why can't we observe it" oh and the dreaded "croccoduck".

Apparently, this is a nice topic to argue in favor of.

Any/all evidence I can find against the theory of evolution is from "reading between the lines" so to speak, and picking up information that the scientific community has chosen to neglect and skip over. This, would take a lot of time to research and unravel, which I unfortunately can't do at work, so I'll have to take some spare time and strung together a thread when I have a chance...

I wish it was as easy as typing "evidence against evolution", but when you do that, all you get is a bunch of bible thumping websites saying " hey everyone, arm yourselves with the power of the almighty against Satan and his evil scientific army of heathens!" "God made everyone and everything, including scientists to test or faith!"

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a reply to: dothedew

I wish it was as easy as typing "evidence against evolution", but when you do that, all you get is a bunch of bible thumping websites saying " hey everyone, arm yourselves with the power of the almighty against Satan and his evil scientific army of heathens!" "God made everyone and everything, including scientists to test or faith!"

I guess it would be pretty hard to sift through that. I will let you know though you made me lol when I read that.

a reply to: Noinden

yes. its logic....

...you don't know anything, but you've spent a great deal of time and effort getting to that place, so you're not changing course.

I feel you bruh...

a reply to: michaelbrux

Back to the logical fallacies I see. Every one seeks comfort in what they know I guess.

So I don't know anything? Care to prove that? That would of course require you to do some leg work. Refute the facts put down by myself and others, and I mean using logic, not rhetoric (fallacy filled at that) or "because I say so" and we will talk

a reply to: Noinden

Come now the guy seems to be a genus (ha) he seems to be able to replicate any science (real science) in his kitchen.

We should be cool with him and get him to build some nuclear reactors or something. One could make a fortune.

Piss him off and he will build a nuke along with a B2 to drop it on us. It sounds like he has some bad arse kitchen cabinets. It must be like narnia in there.

Or could be trollin.

a reply to: Grimpachi

You know I feel fairly safe down here from anything he might build I pity his neighbours however

a reply to: Noinden

i'm sorry to tell you, but I don't consider anything you posted to be of great value.

thinking about it or its consequences measured against the bigger picture seemed a waste of time.

I could be wrong, but my kids keep asking me to do stuff and pay attention to them while i spar with you all, so I had to go with that which is of greater long term value; an evolutionary response.

so i've been choosing my little ones at the expense of your 'knowledge'. but, when they get older...i promise to suggest they take a class in evolution.

a reply to: michaelbrux

I really don't care what you consider to "be of" or "not to be of" "great value". Simply because you've shown no real ability to sensibly engage in this discussion.

You are now adding a new logical fallacy to the mix. What a shock. Its now "lets mention my family to gain sympathy".

If your children are important? Go be with them. My odd daughter (its like god daughter but I'm a pagan, and she's an atheist) has a parent in her life who is too invested in the interwebs. Its screwing her up. Don't be that parent eh?

a reply to: Noinden

that's always a concern...about being 'that' parent...but evolution has to be applied at some point.

if its not applied, then its like knowing every recipe in a cook book, but not actually cooking.

what logical fallacy did i commit in my last response...i mean what's its name in that list...

...do you know or are you just saying mean things?

is Parenting a part of the Evolutionary Process? what does the book you read say about it?

a reply to: michaelbrux

You did "appeal to emotion" by needlessly invoking your offspring. There was zero need to bring them up, and it would appear to be a "escape hatch" being built in.

You still are skirting around all sorts of pertinent things in this discussion. But at least you've stopped some of the more blatant things you've tried. It remains that you obviously have a vested interest in this discussion, but are too timid to declare it. I've declared mine (and I've declared it in a thread on the myth of race too). I'm an intellectual elitist, and abuse of facts irks me.

a reply to: Noinden

its an evolutionary statement...

...contemplate the following scenario.

I don't know anything of Evolution, as has been stated repeatedly and you know everything about it.

in 1000 years, however, I'm still here, through my offspring, but your line died off.

who knew more about Evolution?

i think you stole my ideas concerning the falsehood of race.

a reply to: michaelbrux

First is is not an evolutionary statement, as you've not talked about how your offspring have inherited anything from you.

None of us have said we know "everything about it", we do however know evidence to support it, which you ignore or try to make "about how it benifits the cow".

In 1000 years you may or may not have descendants still around (who knows, lines die out). You don't know more about evolution because you have had kids. Poor old Homo neanderthalus lasted a long time, interbreed with the Denisovians and many of Homo sapiens members, but still did not know more about evolution.

You are trying to "move the goal post" again "bruh". You can't debate the facts, you can't engage with out doing these little games. SO back to you, what tactic will you try next?

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: peter vlar

Also we are not decended from the modern apes, we share a common ancestor. I am not descended from my cousins father (for example), but they (and he) share a common set of ancestors (my now dead grandparents). Its one of those common fallacies that anti-evolutionists try to perpetuate to muddy the waters. Along with "violates the second law of thermodynamics" and "why can't we observe it" oh and the dreaded "croccoduck".

Oh absolutely, I stated exactly that, that we share a common ancestor with the other great apes. not only that but there is a great deal of evidence that all life on earth shares common descent. its why creationists are able to pull out non sequitors like how we share DNA with bananas, as an argument against evolution which is always a smack my head moment.

Just a side note on your earlier post at the bottom of the previous page regarding evolution in a lab, Richard Lenski has demonstrated evolution using E. Coli with some amazing results including one strain that developed the ability to grow on citrate under the oxygen-rich conditions of the experiment. Wild-type E. coli cannot grow on citrate when oxygen is present due to the inability during aerobic metabolism to produce an appropriate transporter protein that can bring citrate into the cell, where it could be metabolized via the citric acid cycle. The consequent lack of growth on citrate under oxic conditions, referred to as a Cit- phenotype, is considered a defining characteristic of the species that has been a valuable means of differentiating E. coli from pathogenic Salmonella. His experiment has been running continuously for over 20 years now and has produced 10's of thousands of generations of offspring from he original population. He also will give out samples for independent testing to any credentialed professional or lab to show he has nothing to hide and the results are completely legit. Thus the creationist knack for crying out about he inability to observe evolution is pure crap. myxo.css.msu.edu...

a reply to: Noinden

i'm not going to die out, dude. bet on it.

you keep reading though.

maybe you can hook up some type of device that prolongs your existence...maybe even long enough to see Evolutionists finally provide evidence of their faith.

a reply to: michaelbrux

I tend not to bet on statistical likely hoods. I also don't base my science on faith, I think you still mistake religion and science

Obviously you are also out of diversionary tactics

a reply to: Noinden

its a scientific fact...that i will always be here to argue with you...

by 'here' i mean, a place with food and comfort and good stuff.

i inserted the caveat because your 'here' and my 'here' will probably not always be the same place.

Wasn't he supposed to start spending time with his kids almost an hour ago?

On topic: Falsifying Phylogeny

a reply to: michaelbrux

Scientific, that word, I don't think it means, what you think it means....