TPP : How America is about to sell its sovereignty to create a concrete NWO

a reply to: jacobe001

That's the problem with capitalism and individual liberties. You need some degree of cooperation and control systems otherwise there wouldn't be any safety or security.

In a world of pure free enterprise you could make a fortune selling your ineffective product (snake oil) and it's not your fault if people buy it. Alternatively a gang of people pissed about your product or jealous of your wealth could form a mob and lynch you and take your money.

They want the best of both worlds. They want the right to screw the people all day every day legally and guilt free but still have a private army in case people get mad about it.

a reply to: tavi45

Thought you might find this Doc. interesting. It's from 2010 so it's before the TPP but it shows what the previous "Free Trade Policies" were all about and laying the ground work for what the TPP is today. It's about 2hrs. so you'll want to pop some corn and fix yourself a drink or doobie and settle in for a bit.

It goes into the removal of Sovereignty and all that and this was only about merging the North American Union. The TPP will be a thousand times worse since it also includes so many others too. A big portion of it is being told from the Canadian point of view as well which is interesting. Anyway, give it a go if you'd like, I'm sure you'll find dome good info in it too.

United We Fall - Full Film

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: xuenchen

I don't trust paul. Can't really out my finger on it but for some reason I just don't.

I've never trusted him, he seems like a fair weather leaning politician. Well except in this instance, he's the enemy.
In all earnest, why is Obama behind this? This must be part of a true NWO. It seems like it would be more of a Republican agenda. If this goes down, Obama will have his legacy all right, the worst in the history of the USA and I believe that sincerely. We're talking traitor here. I felt the same way when our ports were being sold to foreign entities. Anyone who supports this is an enemy of the United States and all it's people and should be tried for treason. And we really should be sending letters now to our representatives letting them know how we feel.

a reply to: StoutBroux

It's because this isn't about Republican or Democrat Ideology. It's Corporate Globalization. New World Order. One World Government and the removal of separate nation states.

Almost everyone in Government today is just using the Rep. or Dem. label for image. They have all sold out to Big Money Donors which are Multinational Corporations.

This is the real NWO and the path that it will be taking to get there. Crash Currencies, Remove Borders, Centralize Control. Then rebuild it with One Currency, No Borders or Separate States Constitutions or Laws and all under the authority of a Centralized Global Administration.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Asktheanimals

"If TPP passes and become a lawful treaty I will personally consider this an act of war on the American people. "

If it is what it seems it is an act of war. That's why it's being kept so quiet. People would flip out if they knew the truth. Here is the text and video of Senator Elizabeth Warren subtly saying exactly that. God I love her.

Alright alright, I forgive her already for claiming to be of Native American Heritage. I'm definitely in her corner (or she's in mine) on this and will give her my full support.

a reply to: sirlancelot


You are fooling yourself if you think the loud-mouthed do-nothings called Tea Party plotiticians aren't bought and paid for by the same corporate interests pushing the TPP. Who do you think paid for their campaigns?

a reply to: StoutBroux

Lol, I wasn't trying to push her or anything, but she popped up when I was searching for more info from Congressman Grayson. I'm telling you man, she's for the people. You can disagree with some of her policies (she is liberal after all) but she doesn't serve any agenda except her own which is protecting and rebuilding the middle class.

a reply to: mOjOm

Thanks for the post. I'll definitely check it out. It should be interesting that it's Canadian. Canada generally has the most to lose and least to gain from these affairs. I feel so bad for them. They are getting sucked into America's gravity more and more every year. The rhetoric coming out after the recent Ottawa shootings sounded exactly like the rhetoric after any terrorist attack in America.

An interesting deal for sure.

As much as I do believe there is an agenda for an NWO, one world nation
the areas will still have a puppet leader in place, like in UK we have David Cameron
who plays one card to the public and another to the EU.
We (UK) are basically in an NWO, most people just don't see it, how much worse can it get?

The endgame is puppet leaders being ran by corporations who tell us they do everything for us,
working hard to make us better off.

So what will really change, other than more censorship.

As for that angle of censorship, as technology moves forward I say good luck with the censorship deal, they haven't managed
it yet, they try but then it's figured out. I have my hope in the computer techies who work hard for that freedom.

Censorship of information under dubious claims is the biggest nightmare to me, now that genie is out the bottle (In most places) it is better it stays out.

originally posted by: LowTechRedneck
a reply to: sirlancelot


You are fooling yourself if you think the loud-mouthed do-nothings called Tea Party plotiticians aren't bought and paid for by the same corporate interests pushing the TPP. Who do you think paid for their campaigns?

Granted all politicians are influenced by corporate money however regarding the TPP Cruz does not support it. On a side note the tea party cant get anything done because they are small minority but I can respect a politician that gets elected and VOTES are consistently in line with what he said he would do unlike most of the waffle heads in both the democratic and Rhino rRepublican parties! Big Governement does not work and waste tax payers money. I think we all can agree on that.

a reply to: sirlancelot

The really sad part is that the only people concerned about America's future are extreme right or extreme left. Everyone in the middle is bought out. It used to be that extreme left and extreme right candidates were nutjobs and only moderates got elected. They are still nutjobs but less crazy than their center counterparts. The polarization of America has been massively successful.

a reply to: tavi45

oddly enough...a few years back I had a thought that in the end...the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, the Black Panthers, etc. etc. would realize that they were one anothers best friends and comrades for a better world.

Polarization has a point it seems...

a reply to: tavi45

There are a lot of problems with the TPP, but loss of sovereignty is not one of them. I do not like that the negotiations have been taking place behind closed doors, but then, all such negotiations are conducted in that manner. Hopefully, the real issues involved will be debated publicly on both sides of the Atlantic before the treaty is ratified. (Most of the issues involve harmonizing environmental, labor, and "consumer protection" regulations, not fiscal, social, and diplomatic policy.)

a reply to: DJW001

If other nations or multinational companies can trump American law, that is a loss of sovereignty.

It would seem that the predictions I made about the TPP being pushed through are coming true.

New Zealand's trade minister had this to say.

“With the end coming into focus,” the statement said, “we have instructed our ministers and negotiators to make concluding this agreement a top priority.”

m.wsj.com...

Obama also is trying to get this pushed through, as predicted.

"To ensure that TPP is a success, we also have to make sure that all of our people back home understand the benefits for them — that it means more trade, more good jobs, and higher incomes for people throughout the region, including the United States," Obama said.

thehill.com...

McConnell seems to be on board and working with Obama though he didn't mention the TPP explicitly.

"Trade pacts," McConnell said at a press conference Wednesday. "The president and I were just talking about that, right before I came over here. Most of his party is unenthusiastic about international trade. We think it's good for America, and so I've got a lot of members who believe that international trade agreements are a winner for America."

m.huffpost.com...

But the treaty would not necessarily "trump" American law. Just because the United States agreed that for purposes of commerce, communications and science, a kilogram would be defined as a mass equal to a particular chunk of brass in a vault in Paris, that doesn't mean that the United States abandoned its sovereignty to France. There are profound philosophical differences between the US and the EU in respect to things like risk, privacy and the relationship of the individual to the community, but none of these issues are likely to upend American law. A reply to: tavi45

I have been reading and going through some of what we know about the TPP. Am I right to assume that the TPP is a multinational corporations takeover? We have both Dems and some Republicans pushing this agenda into action, which could put most people from the 11 known countries into slave labor.
Some of you especially the OP seems to have done more reading and has a better understanding than I do. My questions is...
1. Since It's cloaked in secrecy is there anything we the people can do about it?
2. Do you think this will be put into place before Obama leaves office, or is there a chance the next President could end it or continue?

Never mind, I just read the latest replies and I think my questions have been answered.

a reply to: DJW001

I suggest you read the article I posted but here are some points from it.

"Of course the TPP is not about free trade, in most cases the formal trade barriers between the countries negotiating the pact are relatively low. The main thrust of the negotiations is to impose a regulator[y] structure in a wide range of areas — health, safety, environmental — which will override national and sub-national rules. This has little to do with trade and in some cases, such as the increased patent protection for prescription drugs being pushed as part of the deal (which is noted in the article), will actually involve increased barriers to trade."

"Yet in a manner that would enrage right and left alike, the private “investor-state” enforcement system included in the leaked TPP text would empower foreign investors and corporations to skirt domestic courts and laws and sue governments in foreign tribunals. There, they can demand cash compensation from domestic treasuries over domestic policies that they claim undermine their new investor rights and expected future profits. This establishes an alarming two-track system of justice that privileges foreign corporations in myriad ways relative to governments or domestic businesses. It also exposes signatory countries to vast liabilities, as foreign firms use foreign tribunals to raid public treasuries."

www.nakedcapitalism.com...



This handy map shows all the foreign companies in America that be able to circumvent American law with foreign tribunals. American companies can do the same and the article shows that too.

www.citizen.org...

a reply to: RunForTheHills

We have as much chance to stop this as any policy out forth by the government. New Zealand has had major demonstrations over it and their trade minister is giving it highest priority.

My opinion (remember it's the opinion of a layman) is that this will pass and that it will be the final nail in the coffin for freedom and equality. The TPP will give corporations greater power than governments.

If you think the government is bad, wait till you are ruled by corporations

This is so far out and so major which makes it looks like the makings of a syfy movie. Most of my family and friends are so closed minded that they would not believe it if they knew, which I hope doesn't reflect on the whole population in general. Which is one of the reasons it concerns me the most. It will actually have to directly affect people for them to even have a small understanding of what is going on and not sure now if many would even care as long as they continue to receive their government assistance.

It is hard to gain hard evidence in something that is closed to the people. Although I do believe that anything that is done in secrecy can not mean it is for our best interest. Not sure where this will lead to after the Corporations have all the power but one thing I am sure of is...everything will be for the benefit of the corporations. It will be, what can you do for them not what they can do for you. The future looks so much worse than I had imagined.