Republicans Take The Majority Back In The Senate

originally posted by: jimmyx


uhmm....no, you're wrong....here at ATS, we have a saying that has applied to UFO's, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"...

Erm he is right.

You dont need any extraordinary evidence as you can see it right now happening.

1) The patriot act still in effect
2)NSA spying is still rampent
3) The Police are are getting more and more militant
4) NDAA was continued
5) GITMO is still open
6) USA is still neck deep in military action in the ME
7) USA is still sucking up to Israel
8) Fed reserve still hasn't been audited
9) USA (Land of the free) still have the biggest prison pop in the world
10) Banks are still trading recklessly
11) Standard of living is still going down
12) The debts still rising
13) Tax avoidance is still going on
14) The failed war on drugs is still being pushed
15) Tax courts are civil forfeiture that go my the principle guilty until proven innocent are still in effect.
16) rich and poor are still treated differently in courts
17) Mass shooting are on the rise
18) Illegal immigration is still on the rise
19)Lobbying is still in practice
20) Health bills are still expensive.
21)Police brutality is still on the rise.
22) Jobs still being lost overseas.
23) Pointless alphabet agency's are still sucking in money.


I rarely agree with Neo but hope and change from Obama? Your joking right?!!!!!!!!!![

Republicans may have started it but your messiah Obama hasn't exactly sorted itor changed anything now has he now?

a reply to: crazyewok

Republicans may have started it but your messiah Obama hasn't exactly sorted itor changed anything now has he now?

Rarely we do agree.

And we agree on that.

Some people need to wake up, and realize all roads lead to that place in Washington DC.

Government isn't the solver of our problems.

They are the creators of them.

Pretty much to give those shills on capitol hill 'job security'.

The only time our government seems to act with the interests of the people in mind is when one party controls congress and the other party has the presidency. But we will see. The rule of law demands that there be consequences for illegal actions. The president has provided Al Qaeda/ISIS with arms. Al Qaeda/ISIS is our enemy and the President has committed this crime and dozens of others. Either he is impeached pronto for Benghazi, trading with the enemy and fast and furious, or we can sit back and wonder and the increasing schism between The People and the American aristocracy. One law for us and no laws for them.

The rule of law and our constitution demand otherwise and I am no fan of Nixon's "if the the president does it its not illegal" spiel. Right now the progressives in both parties are enchanted with "the cult of the presidency" and ascribing to the office powers that are leading us towards dictatorship, building a throne for something darker.

originally posted by: crazyewok
But safe guards need put in place so states dont go and screw up and go full corporate fascism/ Soviet communist or just plain out right fail in a Greece like ball of debt.

Agreed. Although I'm a big states' rights advocate, I also realize that you can't give them full autonomy on domestic matters within their borders. In doing so, you would invite undesirable extremist viewpoints from both angles. That said, I do think the US Constitution and the protections afforded by many of the amendments would already provide a basic framework by which such a thing could be successfully implemented.

Alternately, we could just dump the direct election of US Senators and let the state legislatures appoint them. Doing so would greatly increase the power of the states and give the state legislatures a direct voice in how the federal government operates. This would be incredibly unpopular with the masses, obviously, which is why it'll never happen, but that's exactly how we did it before the 17th amendment passed in the early 20th century.

Of the two solutions, though, I think it would be much more desirable to just cut the states loose to some degree on domestic policy.

originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: jimmyx

Considering that just two posts above yours, I've strongly implied that the GOP leadership is composed of morons, I'm not sure where you think I'm defending them.

My response was to your whining. Get over it. Your side lost this one. But again, its not the end of the world. Political winds shift. Your side lost this one and I'm very happy about that. But I'm not fool enough to think they'll never win again. They will. Yet some of you guys seem to think the Dems had a permanent majority locked up. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

actually, the GOP leadership have been brilliant in what they have done, they know what short emotional catch phrases to use to make their point, regardless of the actual data. they do not discuss the "causality" details of their legislation in public, they have stuck to the mantra of less taxes and regulations on the wealthy and corporate, since I became aware of it in the 1960's, while at the same time, they have continued to stagnate benefits and wages for the middle class and poor....and no, "we guys" haven't had a permanent majority in congress since the years between LBJ and jimmy carter, some 35 years ago....by the way, I have a spine, unlike some mealy-mouthed democratic politicians, and I will continue to voice my opinion, regardless if it pisses off conservatives.

reply to Jimmyx


Um, no I am NOT wrong, with this administration we had the NDAA, increased spying on the public, secret trade meetings with the trans-pacific partnership, another job exporting agreement with no oversight, bank bailouts and NO Wall Street criminals were jailed. Not to mention all the appointments of Those very same Wall Street operatives into key positions in his administration. And his biggest contributors? Lehman brothers and Goldman Sachs. He is just a different puppet with the same handlers. If we are to fix things we have to see things as they are. Be loyal to the country first party second (and only if they earn your loyalty)

a reply to: neo96

I agree with your post except for this part:
"4. Leave the IRS alone. "

Absolutely not. There needs to be prison for those involved. That sort of behavior cannot go unpunished.

Oh, and I couldn't care less about the presidency. They just need to restore the legislative branches powers to check the executive, which they can do through punishing the executive offenders for crimes and over reaches as they've committed.

I would like to remind us all we are in a COLD WAR and OBAMA seems to have over extended his office. IF the Republicans take over.
I don't want to see a war with Russia. IT IS the M.O. on these economic issues.
THE Scariest thing is PUTIN against a "Le MAY" type and another draft.

a reply to: Dfairlite

If the Gop makes it all about the scandals stick a fork in them they are done.

There are other ways of dealing with them than making it them pubic spectacle's.

Their first priorities should be restoring 'free' speech in the senate.

Then do something about the economy.

Actually put them on the back burner for the next two years then deal with them in 2016 by taking the presidency.

Republicans get too big of a head on them like the democrats did.

We will be right back in the same boat.

a reply to: crazyewok

don't worry, after the republicans take over the government in 2016, all those points you listed will be fixed, right?

a reply to: vor78

It does. Read the 9th and 10th Amendment. The states cannot do anything that take away the rights already reserved to the people and the narrow rights of the Fed. This is why Chicago and DC got smacked down on their gun ordinances by the SCOTUS.

In return, the Fed is supposed to play the role of referee between the states and to be the arbiter between the states and the rest of the world, not the overlord of us all.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Dfairlite

If the Gop makes it all about the scandals stick a fork in them they are done.

There are other ways of dealing with them than making it them pubic spectacle's.

Their first priorities should be restoring 'free' speech in the senate.

Then do something about the economy.

Actually put them on the back burner for the next two years then deal with them in 2016 by taking the presidency.

Republicans get too big of a head on them like the democrats did.

We will be right back in the same boat.

The Republicans can deal with a lot of the overreach simply by passing and sticking a budget. There's a lot that can be tamed by having funds cut.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: crazyewok

don't worry, after the republicans take over the government in 2016, all those points you listed will be fixed, right?

No they wont ! They will continue with the same Crap!

Are you blind?

If you bothered to read I despise BOTH parties.

Why do you think one has to be Republican or Democrat?

Why cant you get BOTH PARTIES ARE FULL OF BS!

You need to do a huge clear out and REAL change! Change the democraps and Republicons cant deliver. Abandon both party's!

a reply to: crazyewok

Ah, I see now. Then why were you so disappointed to see the GOP being able to push back against an unrelenting rogue Prez who oversteps his bounds? To people who are just sick of this radical socialist nonsense being flung in our faces every day, it's a welcome relief. But people I know still are wondering if the GOP will really do anything with this. We want to see Ocare repealed amongst other things.

a reply to: neo96

c'mon...the republicans thrive on perceived scandals, and public spectacles. look at the 2000 election and the congressional takeover of congress during Obamas last 6 years in office...once again, they are brilliant at pushing the right buttons on the electorate. the constant fear-based verbiage, and phraseology used, has worked every time for them...why would they possibly change their strategy?... I just wish the democrats had something to counter it, but they don't.

Well around here the price of gas went up $.30 since this morning so I wauld have to say the station owners are Demoncrats.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

You mean you think the GOP Is going to fight a war with Russia? Really? You mean you didn't learn anything from Reagan's Tear down that wall speech and now the wall is gone???

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: crazyewok

Ah, I see now. Then why were you so disappointed to see the GOP being able to push back against an unrelenting rogue Prez who oversteps his bounds? To people who are just sick of this radical socialist nonsense being flung in our faces every day, it's a welcome relief. But people I know still are wondering if the GOP will really do anything with this. We want to see Ocare repealed amongst other things.

do you even know what a radical socialist is? can you give researched historic examples of leaders that were radical socialists, and list the similar political traits that would be associated with Obama?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: crazyewok

Ah, I see now. Then why were you so disappointed to see the GOP being able to push back against an unrelenting rogue Prez who oversteps his bounds? To people who are just sick of this radical socialist nonsense being flung in our faces every day, it's a welcome relief. But people I know still are wondering if the GOP will really do anything with this. We want to see Ocare repealed amongst other things.

I dont give a crap if you socialist or free-market. Left/right? I dont give a flying #. Thats for you guys to work out.

All I want to see is a economically STRONG and STABLE USA that doesn't go round causing wars.


Neither Republicans or Democrat can deliver that as past performances have shown!

a reply to: jimmyx

Is that right ?

After 6 years I am still waiting for someone to provide proof about that scandalous comment made by someone who said the constitution was just a gd piece of paper.

So.

Pot calling the kettle.

Which is what ALL American politics can be summed up as.