Scientists, Pilots, & Doctors on Chemtrails

a reply to: ~Lucidity

then explain rationally how you can tell visually what an alledged " chemtrail " is instead of degenerating to ad-hom attacks

a reply to: NTellect

Very interesting video. Packed with data. The kind of "just the facts" presentation we've come to expect from the intrepid Mr. Dane Wigington, concerned, as it were, for his backyard - Mt. Shasta.

Frances Mangles, 35 year USFS biologist, says, starting at 3:00:

"...latest water test...tested the rain...13,100 micrograms per liter of aluminum in the rain in 2013; normally it should be 0...so 13,000 is pretty damn much; it used to be 0, then it was 100's in the 2000's and then in, since 2010, it's into the 1000's and the latest 13,100. In the snow on Mt. Shasta, pristine Mt. Shasta, 61,000 micrograms per liter, 4 times the amount that is found in the soil up there..."

Mark McCandlish, former defense industry technician, goes on to say, at 4:00:

"NASA has also conducted a research program in what they call metallized fuels; we're actually putting aluminum oxide right in the fuel because it has 2 atoms of aluminum and 3 atoms of oxygen so during the combustion process it releases all that oxygen and dramatically increases efficiency but leaves all that aluminum in the air."

Aluminum, at this point, imo, has become historical. We are off and running with new things now. I.E. sulphur and, of course, the new darling: titaniumdioxide nano. Aluminum remains in the soils, rain and snow because our governments think that our planet, and particularly the atmosphere around our planet, is a toxic dump site for their experiments. This was made graphically known to us via atmospheric nuclear testing.

It's up to us to object to this toxic spewing and stop buying the warm and cuddly "it's just contrails" mantra. Because there is no such thing as "just contrails." It is pollution on a massive scale, full-on for 20 years or so, which has actually changed the color and behavior of our sky. It's never been an accidental occurrence.

I don't see rabid attacks.
I see a lack of evidence, a lack of critical thinking and a lack of intellectual honesty. I see fear-mongering and people pushing money-making agendas. I see ignorance and stupidity being embraced in the face of peer-reviewed, scientifically-testable and reproducible facts being presented.

Now tell me, why do you think there are chemicals being sprayed from aircraft en masse, and how do the people who are authorising it escape contamination?

Nvm.

***ATTENTION***

Please stay with the topic, which is "chemtrails" and stop the personal jabs at one another. If necessary posting bans will be implimented.

Thank you.

Hefficide

originally posted by: luxordelphi
a reply to: NTellect

Very interesting video. Packed with data. The kind of "just the facts" presentation we've come to expect from the intrepid Mr. Dane Wigington, concerned, as it were, for his backyard - Mt. Shasta.

Frances Mangles, 35 year USFS biologist, says, starting at 3:00:

"...latest water test...tested the rain...13,100 micrograms per liter of aluminum in the rain in 2013; normally it should be 0...so 13,000 is pretty damn much; it used to be 0, then it was 100's in the 2000's and then in, since 2010, it's into the 1000's and the latest 13,100. In the snow on Mt. Shasta, pristine Mt. Shasta, 61,000 micrograms per liter, 4 times the amount that is found in the soil up there..."

this is claimed all over the place - a search for "13,100 micrograms per liter of aluminum in the rain in 2013" will generate many versions of the same information, which is included in a list of other scary info - none of which is actually sourced.

Mark McCandlish, former defense industry technician,

no he isn't - he is an artist who has worked in the aerospace industry - www.markmccandlish.com...

goes on to say, at 4:00:

"NASA has also conducted a research program in what they call metallized fuels; we're actually putting aluminum oxide right in the fuel because it has 2 atoms of aluminum and 3 atoms of oxygen so during the combustion process it releases all that oxygen and dramatically increases efficiency but leaves all that aluminum in the air."

Which would be a brand new chemistry if it were true, since aluminium oxide

1/ does not burn (at least not at the temperatures in jet engines - it doesn't even MELT until 2072 deg C!!!) and
2/ is extremely abrasive so would screw up close tolerance fuel system parts in short time, and
3/ is not an approved additive to jet fuel so this would be an illegal act in pretty much every country in the world

Aluminum, at this point, imo, has become historical.

I think this is chemmie-speak for "it's been debunked so much I am sick of being made to look stupid so o I have to dream up some new fantasy that isn't so obviously wrong...."

We are off and running with new things now. I.E. sulphur

not new - fuel has always had sulphur in it - do try to come into eth 19th century!!

and, of course, the new darling: titaniumdioxide nano.

Really? White food colouring E171 is your new evil substance du jour??



[quoet] Aluminum remains in the soils, rain and snow because our governments think that our planet, and particularly the atmosphere around our planet, is a toxic dump site for their experiments.[/quoet]
no - I'm pretty sure it's tehr because either:

1/ god put it here or
2/ it was made in stars and we are all made of star dust

This was made graphically known to us via atmospheric nuclear testing.

Ah hah - that's a new one - nuclear testing therefore chemtrails!!

It's up to us to object to this toxic spewing and stop buying the warm and cuddly "it's just contrails" mantra. Because there is no such thing as "just contrails." It is pollution on a massive scale, full-on for 20 years or so, which has actually changed the color and behavior of our sky. It's never been an accidental occurrence.

So now it's pollution??

Can you please make up your mind whether this is pollution (ie an incidental byproduct of all combustion) - of which there is far more made at ground level - or some evil plan for whatever??

it's so difficult to laugh at so many stupid ideas that he idea that you might actually be figuring out that pollution is a real problem and chemtrails are not almost escaped me!!

Here why not see the whole original video...

a reply to: luxordelphi

The kind of "just the facts" presentation we've come to expect from the intrepid Mr. Dane Wigington, concerned, as it were, for his backyard - Mt. Shasta.

Ah yes, that's the first person I think about when I want just the facts about chemtrails...

If he really had facts he would be in Washington DC discussing this not a small town in California.

The only thing Mr. Wigington is concerned about is lining his pockets with the gullible's money he gets.

a reply to: luxordelphi

just the facts ? [ in response to claims of aluminium in rain / snow ]

2 words : mineral dust

this first demolishes the silly claim that aluminium levels :

should be zero

further - the mining industry in the US - and other places adds to natural mineral dust levels

open cast works / quarries and the processing of all extractive minerals adds to the dust load - as do a host of industries

such operations are a REAL pollution concern : source

that site is in Nevada - which is , whoo hoo - right next to " pristine mount Shasta "

isn't it amazing how chemtrail advocates ignore such facts ?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: luxordelphi

just the facts ? [ in response to claims of aluminium in rain / snow ]

2 words : mineral dust

this first demolishes the silly claim that aluminium levels :

should be zero

further - the mining industry in the US - and other places adds to natural mineral dust levels

open cast works / quarries and the processing of all extractive minerals adds to the dust load - as do a host of industries

such operations are a REAL pollution concern : source

that site is in Nevada - which is , whoo hoo - right next to " pristine mount Shasta "

isn't it amazing how chemtrail advocates ignore such facts ?

That's like saying that London and Glasgow are right next to each other! Or...how about L.A. and Vegas: right next to each other! These are the facts you want me to focus on. That there is an aluminum mining concern 300 to 400 miles away. (I don't know what that is in kilometers but it's a bunch!) (Depending on if you take a route or an interstate.) (Small world.)

a reply to: luxordelphi

So the aluminum goes into the air, and just stops? So what if it's 300 miles. There's not a wall between them that's going to stop the aluminum from going that far.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: luxordelphi

So the aluminum goes into the air, and just stops? So what if it's 300 miles. There's not a wall between them that's going to stop the aluminum from going that far.

there's a wall in some minds that doesn't ant to know about it

Daily US air quality maps

a reply to: luxordelphi

That there is an aluminum mining concern 300 to 400 miles away.

So does the wind not blow at that mine, and is there no dust at that mine that gets blown around by that wind around that mine?