Cut off in smallness, my message to the mystics of this world.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: WarminIndy

Do you want the truth? The truth is that you are a human being, nothing more, nothing less. And as a human being you will never know the whole truth in this life.

the whole truth is something hidden that we have to seek out and there will be no Age of Aquarius, so stop looking for it.

Lo, you speak as one having authority. Please, share with us the source of such definitive wisdom. How do you know with such conviction there will be no age of Aquarius? How do you know with such conviction the whole truth cannot be had in a lifetime? How do you know the whole truth is something hidden that we must seek out?

Life is my experience.

I have heard about this Age of Aquarius my whole life and it won't happen because it was just a bunch of hippies revelling in free love and acid tripping, until they went to the Disco and had children of their own and forgot about it. This past 50 years should show you very well that when the moon was in the seventh house and Jupiter aligned with Mars...nothing happened except Watergate, Disco, the Falklands, two wars in Iraq, a war in Iran and Afghanistan, 9/11 and a bunch of other stuff.

Why did you people believe a bunch of acid tripping hippies anyway? They all went to Woodstock, got high and then made babies that later became Reaganites and ran Wall Street until now we have this mess.

They proclaimed God is dead in 1969, the same year as the Summer of Love with Charles Manson. In 1967 they proclaimed..."THIS is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius". Who proclaimed it? Timothy Leary while smashed up on '___' telling students to "turn on, tune in and check out"? A clinical psychologist who advocated free love and '___', that's the mentor of that age. And all the young people dropped acid and protested Vietnam, while high and living in communes.

Where is it all now? They fried their brains on dope and then we are to believe from their messed up minds that there was going to be an Age of Aquarius? The youth took their cues from a drug addicted syncophant.

I'll tell you what, you wait for the next time the moon is in the seventh house and see when Jupiter aligns with Mars, then you tell me when it happens if it is the Age of Aquarius. It hasn't happened yet.

No one can predict the Age of Aquarius any more than the coming of Christ and if this is the Age of Aquarius, someone needs to remind the world. It didn't happen and it won't happen.

I was born in 1967 and have seen the world change over and over, getting worse with each new generation. What authority do I have? None. But my experience in this life was watching drug addicts bomb universities while protesting war and that same guy responsible for bombing colleges led a man to becoming president who got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing to earn it and then denied he knew the man, who was never charged nor villified, nay, rather he was celebrated.

All you have to do is look around you and you will see that the Age of Aquarius happened just like 2012, nothing. It all got worse and continues to get worse every day. And it don't take a genius to see that.

And how do I know we will never know the whole truth in this lifetime? Simple, because I don't know your life and you don't know mine. And you will never know what really drives men to do what they do, because you don't know their most secret lives. Illuminati? Just another joke of pop culture.

There are things hidden, but were it is hidden, people can't go there so they take drugs trying to get there and in the end it was a waste of time for them, they didn't change the world at all and certainly didn't usher in any Golden Age of Enlightenment.

a reply to: Serdgiam

A move to mathematics as language might help communicate these things more clearly. However, as long as we use words that have no direct relevance to reality, only to our perception, we will always find that experience transcends our language. Given that, there will never be an end to parables and paradoxes until/if we create a means of communication that isn't as bound to subjectivity and isn't steeped in duality.

Paradox and parables will not end in objectivity. As I'm sure you know, Serdgiam, mathematics too is littered with them. Even then, a universal language is itself a contradiction, and isn't immune to the exact same sort of superstition and duality.

They tried this already with logical positivism, which was savagely criticized, given that logical positivism cannot be proven by logical positivism. Russell also tried this with "Principia Mathematica".

A universal language would be a circular system, insofar as it can only ever refer to itself. We can use Gödel's incompleteness theorems to prove this, "in any consistent formal system F within which a certain amount of arithmetic can be carried out, there are statements of the language of F which can neither be proved nor disproved in F". The idea that there are no contradictions or paradoxes in a universal language cannot be proven in the language unless there are contradictions in it. A paradox.

a reply to: WarminIndy
Starred! I appreciate the candid and coherent response. Thanks.

a reply to: MasterKaman

I like the number 42, but being outside these systems, I don't really get what a lot of these numbers and degrees mean. I'm close to assuming it has something to do with the number of internal characteristics that a person can change to become a different archetype. When the Jews marched in the desert they had 49 different encampments along the way to get to the promise land (7 x 7), the last set being an act of perfection, so the first 42 series is maybe an act of self-rectification? Interestingly enough, the Egyptians also had 42 gates to walk through, then there is Douglas Adams, who knows what he really knew! ;p

Does this style of communication conform to yours well enough?

The reason I arrived at 32 isn't numerological as much as it is phonetic. Those are the only 32 sounds I can speak easily without hurting my tongue. Plus, 4 sets of 8 interests me at least as much as 6 sets of 7. ;p (or is it 3 sets of 13 plus 3?).

I once heard a chorus of voices chiming in my head, very disconcerting, and I couldn't overcome the haunting nature of the gremlins cackling to one another in the background. Clicking language? ;p Let's not depart too far from these beaten paths lest we approach escape velocity. I'd really hate to become untethered and be forced to try to find my way back to this place.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I don't view it as a static system, so growth would be dependent on participants. True objectivity is, of course, outside of our understanding individually and collectively. But, by lifting certain restrictions and placing importance on communication of ideas might lead to a culture and society, after generations, that has a better understanding of both linguistics and mathematics, how they interact, and how they can be used to define our perception of reality.

It wouldn't be a universal language though, it would be a language based on the universe. Obviously, such a designed language also assumes a GUT, or even TOE, is presently known and at least partially understood. Its true impact on a society that embraces the concept could only be known generations down the line.

I have no issues with paradoxes, we are all walking contradictions. There is no escape from duality in a universe driven by it. Whether or not that is 'all there is' is up for debate, though I do not believe it applies to the totality of existence.

It isn't something being promoted as a solution to all troubles. Its just one shift from language defining our experience based on deep recesses of generations past to creating a language with the intention of better communication. As it stands, it has been a long standing by-product of the needs of society. I view it much like a rock versus a hammer. A rock can do the same job, but its use would be a by-product of need without implied growth. The hammer is designed to cater to the need specifically, and it tends to do the job much more effectively. Is it the pinnacle of 'nail-driving-design?' No, but it was an effective premise for growth.

The same concept can be applied to nearly every facet of culture and society. We have focused such processes into science and technology almost exclusively though.

a reply to: Serdgiam

If anyone created an interesting enough synthetic language, I'd learn it. I'm not a linguist myself, but I think the purpose of language is communication, and a synthetic language could attract a similar type of thinker together, which could enable those people to communicate better with one another, so even if it isn't broadly popular, it could still be very useful and worthwhile.

a reply to: Nechash

Confucius: "I hear and I forget. I see and I learn. I do and I understand."

James 1 in a Nutshell. Wisdom comes from doing.

a reply to: AlephBet

I was wondering if I might hear from you on this. ;p James was always one of my favorite books of the bible. Reading him alongside Paul is almost like reading thesis and antithesis. Can you believe Martin Luther wanted to take James out of the bible entirely? That should tell you where that reformation was headed had it been permitted to run its full course. ;p I guess King James did something beneficial after all, even if he did kill off a lot of my ancestor's cousins.

What do you think of George Fox? I often wonder what a modern scientific Society of Friends might look like.

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: AlephBet

I was wondering if I might hear from you on this. ;p James was always one of my favorite books of the bible. Reading him alongside Paul is almost like reading thesis and antithesis. Can you believe Martin Luther wanted to take James out of the bible entirely? That should tell you where that reformation was headed had it been permitted to run its full course. ;p I guess King James did something beneficial after all, even if he did kill off a lot of my ancestor's cousins.

What do you think of George Fox? I often wonder what a modern scientific Society of Friends might look like.

LOL, and I descend from King James and the Stuart clan.

George Fox, one of my favorites. I am very much Friendly myself. Friends are like anyone else, they do the same things as everyone else and some them even follow some very strange ideas. But overall, the Friends are just like anyone else today.

I am not bothered so much by knowing King James was an ancestor, people did what they did and we can't change it today. It is what it is, that's all I can say.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Hippies were /are just humans, flawed, misguided perhaps. The era to which you refer wasn't an easy one for western societies in hindsight, it was also a pivotal era in many ways, freedom, new ways of thinking, some good some not so good, sexual liberation, the first adult generation after the war and the trials and tribulations that brought to their parents. Without it the world would not be as it is now, the good points and the not so good.

Hippies, I guess were mostly young adults experiencing freedoms their parents never had and probably didn't approve of, they perhaps erred but perhaps they also learned, perhaps their dabbling in such things as spirituality set the tone for the acceptance of enlightened thinking now and the freedoms we have.

Hippies aren't gurus IMO but their experience is relevant and part of the bigger picture.

I don't take drugs though I have experienced many things including spiritual experiences so I do believe that there is more than just physical reality.

I have found some 'old hippies' insightful though, especially those that studied some buddhism.

The 'age of aquarius' is perhaps the quest for truth we are seeing now from many, the leaps in revelations of quantum mechanics and the knowledge of the universe, the fact the universe is expanding and so is our consciousness.

Perhaps the renewed interest in the nature of reality and the leaps in quantum physics are proof of this.

People are realising that many of the religions they followed were perhaps conspired by those less spiritual than their exclamations and instead have sought their own personal quests for truth.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

"in the Beginning" nobody was Awake /conscious, not even your "god", so nothing was Knowable. gradually the Primordial Vibration of Existence (PVE) a low humming sound "mmmmmmmm" (not "om"), started to AWAKEN (not "create") all the Latent Souls (us all) within what was to become the Kamanic Proto-Unity (KPU). the First to awaken was what you call "god the father" (GTF #7) in the Sequence of Prime-numbered Names (SPN) of each individual. but that first /biggest Personality was fascinated by his own Reflection in his Sphere of SELF (SOS), and mistakenly stretched out his hand to Touch >IT - thus becoming technically the First Masturbator (research Osiris-the-Masturbator and his "Book of #t" as well, chief of the "illuminati" /yaldebroath even nowadays). oh mr.Priest, you are toooo shocked already to ever study Truth ! you better cease reading this and go back to the dulling comfort of jesus. In terms of Atheistic Human Cognition (AHC), that "nothing" out of which Everything (of also the Big Bang of astrophysics) came, can be Labelled BRAHMA the non-personal Background Plane of Cognition (BPC), without which the mind Cannot function (you would be unconscious). the Causal Chain has an End, it is not "infinite", the Final Brick Wall beyond which Epistemologically nothing more CAN be known. its not that we dont know, its that the Mind >cannot< know "who made god" etc. the Cosmic EGG came first, and the chickens awoke out of >IT. where or why did BRAHMA come "from" is unknowable BUT its 2-dimentional distinction as End-of-the-Line, is that IT is NOT a "personality" /"god" /"him" /anthropomorphic "creator" like Abraham's huge penis. note that "ah-brahm" unfortunately for hebrews, relates across to the Hindu Pantheon rather than the Utnapishtim lineage they fabricasted to "justify" their own imagination of "Superior" Descendancy, ironically, from the Polytheistic devils of Babylon where they were exiled.

why do you think 80% of all global internet traffic is Pornography ? and why is all the Gnostic Literature obsessed with Sex and the Plans of "the Devil" to screw mrs.Eve in the Garden of Eden ? since Global Emotional Chaos (GEC) developed from sex, thru greed, jealousy, hatred, killing, wars, plagues, famines, etc, almost in that order, the Evidence even nowadays, actually Supports the Gnostics and their ideas that your "god" was the First SINNER - not us. it was the MALES who contaminated the Females, not the other way round, is that really hard to believe ??? i ask you again, do you REALLY (really) believe that women in general across History, have EVER been anywhere near as Bad / EVIL as Males ? who is MOST likely to ever go out and kill someone, your Mother, or your father ? the answer is obvious, UNLESS you have been Brainwashed by your stupid male (homosexual) "god" of course, who wont even let female priests sit on his right hand, and only "created" them to be sexual servants to glorify him.

i recently saw a video on the web of a naked woman in Mosul being tied up and having her throat cut open "in the name of god" (allah to them). how ghastly, but educational to watch if youve had enough experience of "god" to realise thats normal for "him" to stand around Watching. rather than Radically improve Earth governments, with 8 Global Peace Negotiating centers (GPN) across the planet rather than the single corrupt "united nations" in NY. her head was back almost to her spine and blood gushing out. luckily the poor woman was dead by that stage, but just shows that "god"/jesus/allah couldnt be bothered to save her.

to cut a LONG story, if jesus (or anyone) "made" us all "in his image" then he must have been the Biggest Fornicator and Butchers Assistant in the universe at some remote stage in the past. Remember this Logic derives from "the Logos Word" - your "god". so we have deduced the First Masturbator, and the Biggest Fornicator as the CAUSES of subsequent cosmic Catastrophy. consider this all seriously, it explains everything that otherwise confuses Theologians.

in Kamanic analysis the Original "angels" all Cringed and scattered at the thought of their Collossal DEBTS to Humanity ..... long story..... but jesus was one of the First to REPENT of his own sins as a previous mal-Administrator, and by setting the famous example 2000 years ago of re-incarnating to endure the hate of the hebrews, he Encouraged MANY OTHER angels to come back to help Earth as well. so in that sense, yes he (Rosabal Srinagar) started a Branch of the overall Pagan Salvation Plan (PSP) which applies to ANY human who seeks Liberation (not just christians). BUT (but) the Devil(s) also saw that birth as a great opportunity to IMPERSONATE jesus the human, and setup their own miracle-doing and gibberish-spreading "christ". thats enough for tonight.... www.youtube.com... [cassie Taylor]

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Timothy Leary wasn't a young hippie. He was a well-educated professor at a very prestigious university, one that I might add, parents paid a lot for kids to go to Harvard and be educated and not taught about frying their brains out on acid.

Say what you want about misguided youth, even the 1950s there were some, but Leary took on the role as parental guidance. He was the male father figure and look where it led to.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I wasn't 'defending' hippies, merely making an observation that they aren't IMO the personification of modern attempts at truth seeking.

Hence they aren't the yardstick with which to measure.

As for individual hippies, I guess they could be any age, but the majority of the 'acid taking' sort were young adults.

The term 'hippie' is also something of a misnomer, the 'original' hippies were intellectuals and beatniks, Kerouac etc, their 'liberation' philosophies caught on to the elite kids then the masses and was mutated accordingly by media.

Leary also didn't invent the Age of Aquarius, it was merely used in a song that picked up on the concept. I recall as a child in the 70's my handed down from an older neighbour World Atlas, from the '60's was titled ''The Age of Aquarius'', it is based on astronomy / astrology and there are various theories on the details.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Age of Aquarius is an astrological term denoting either the current or forthcoming astrological age, depending on the method of calculation. Astrologers maintain that an astrological age is a product of the earth's slow precessional rotation and lasts for 2,160 years, on average (26,000 year period of precession / 12 zodiac signs = 2,160 years). In popular culture in the United States, the Age of Aquarius refers to the advent of the New Age movement in the 1960s and 1970s.

There are various methods of calculating the length of an astrological age. In sun-sign astrology, the first sign is Aries, followed by Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces, whereupon the cycle returns to Aries and through the zodiacal signs again. Astrological ages, however, proceed in the opposite direction ("retrograde" in astronomy). Therefore, the Age of Aquarius follows the Age of Pisces

The expression Age of Aquarius in popular culture usually refers to the heyday of the hippie and New Age movements in the 1960s and 1970s. The New Age movement is more accurately a phenomenon and yet seen by many as the harbinger of this future changeover of values associated with the arrival or imminent arrival of the Aquarian age.

Although more rock than new-age in genre, the 1967 musical Hair, with its opening song "Aquarius" and the memorable line "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius", brought the Aquarian age concept to the attention of audiences worldwide. However, the song further defines this dawning of the age within the first lines: "When the Moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars then peace will guide the planets and love will steer the stars". Astrologist Neil Spencer denounced the lyrics as "astrological gibberish", noting that Jupiter aligns with Mars several times a year and the moon is in the 7th House for two hours every day.[22] These lines are considered by many to be merely poetic license, though some people take them literally. An example is the identification of Valentine's Day 2009 as the "perfect alignment to support our collective manifestation of love and peace and dawning of the Age of Aquarius".

a reply to: WarminIndy

My ancestors were in Nova Scotia at the time, so they didn't have to worry about the Jacobite wars, but I get my Y chromosome from Clan MacGregor originally. I honestly don't see why any of this matters. The Y chromosome and the epigenetic markers, mitochondria, proteins and such from the cytoplasm of the egg cell really are a small part of your total genetic information. I'd say your mother probably has the biggest impact on you of anyone, and the Y chromosome is largely conserved, but it can have crossover events, and it is just one chromosome with very little information on it. Really, you'd have to look at each of your ancestors piecemeal to get a feel for your heritage, and try going back 500 years doing that. We are talking about tons of people. Honestly, I think we're all truly cousins when you get right down to it.

a reply to: MasterKaman

Well, I do love your allegory. Much of it resonates from my own cynical way of viewing things. You just have to decide how out on a limb you are willing to stretch in order to express your truth. This is why I really long for the creation of a new allegory. We've twisted and beaten this whole Abrahamic thing to death and stretched it out into absurdity, plus people are departing with that mythology to the point it really doesn't have the power it once did. You'll certainly need something with the feminine and masculine forces represented because humans still think along these lines, and it is tempting to jump right back to Babylon and pick up with the Holy Mother, but once again, I think we're trying to conjure up new magic from old totems. Why are people so obsessed with the past?

I think the ying yang is probably a good way to depict this, and it also gives us a new starting point that doesn't carry with it the stain of the history of Abrahamism. Jumping on the antithetical bandwagon is not necessarily the best thing either. Can you imagine an overly feminized world? We need these forces to exist in balance with one another, and that will require a steep correction because the world is overly masculine presently, but if you go too far, you don't really solve anything. I just keep marching forward, waiting for that Epiphany to pop. You can't have a Holy Mother without her Adonis anyway. ;p

a reply to: Nechash

There are synthetic languages but they are usually called auxlangs (auxiliary languages), conlangs (constructed languages) or altlangs (alternative languages), and there's many of them:

Esperanto, Toki Pona, Sona, Lojban, Volapük, etc.

I'm not sure which type of synthetic language would be interesting to you. This topic also interests mes.

As for the original post...

Not believing that God is within us, is what causes people to give their power away. The bible says "The Kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21) but for some reason this is not a popular belief among Christians. If Christians actually believed this then they would know that they are God (because we are not really the body but the Spirit/God within) and they would know that there's no reason to pray in a church believing in a priest or worshiping some spirit, and giving them authority of themselves.

a reply to: MasterKaman

1. Just because people can get jealous over sex, that doesn't mean sex leads to jealousy or killing.
2. How can he be a stupid male homosexual god if he's using females as his sex servants?
3. Jesus and God/Allah are not the same. Jesus is called "Son of God", God is called "Father".

a reply to: arpgme

The more you speak, the clearer the vision of your faith becomes in my mind's eye and it gets more beautiful to me the clearer it becomes. Having come out of Christianity (fundamentalism), anything Jesus related just sends me scattering, but your Christology is ok by me. It might not be the way I package things, but I too am a student of the interior world and whatever goodness is to be found there is the very same light which is calling me out from darkness. I still don't call that God, but that's just me. ;p

a reply to: Nechash

I am quite alone in my theology so far. I am a bit ahead of the timeline I suppose. A voice crying in a wilderness has few friends.

a reply to: AlephBet

Well, you can count me as one. I might not understand everything you say, but you are among the reasons I keep coming back here, and you have induced quite a bit of growth and understanding in me already. I think you have a very unique way of looking at well covered topic matter and coming up with ideas that do in fact breathe some new life into it. I'm way out there divergent. If someone came up with a very bizarre and alien system torn from the pages of one of Robert Heinlein's books, I'd probably feel right at home. I think Scientology is cool. I just can't deal with Scientologists. Dianetics was some good stuff, a true attempt at synthesizing psychology and mysticism.

I think people forget that religions have been using trance states and hypnosis forever. We try to compartmentalize religion into this little box and label it all superstition, but even Yogis out in the mountains have more than a few tricks up their sleeves, and by picking apart all of these disparate world-views, we empower ourselves to have a better understanding, and I'd like to think that translates over into other areas as well. Even if an understanding of hypnosis doesn't empower me to become more spiritually knowledgeable, maybe it will give me a bit better control over my social effectiveness, which will help me to have a better life within my family and community. You just have to figure out which elements are useful to you and add them to your toolbox without becoming a prisoner of any given system of beliefs.

Personally, I'm in such a state of disbelief anymore, someone could pull me right out into a 5th dimension of space and I'd just roll with it. It might freak me out for a minute, but stranger things have happened. ;p

Also, love your music videos. Keep 'em coming. Modern people speak with emojis, I could have whole conversations with nothing but songs. ;p

a reply to: Nechash


"or I stay stuck on stupid awhile longer." Uncomfortable place to be, but a beginning. Establishing meaning to life seems to be a journey that compels some of us. Rebels, questioners. Imho this is 'the divine spark'. So far as we know animals do not question their existence, only man. The journey is fun, scary, frustrating, exciting, wonderous. Lots of information out there, books are helpful, follow your nose. You have a built in guide with only your best interests at heart, trust yourself. Boldly go as it were. lol