Cut off in smallness, my message to the mystics of this world.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The difference is, I didn't just make a thread proclaiming my ''wisdom'' whilst berating other for theirs.

I choose to decide such things as ''mystic wisdom'' for myself rather than believing the ''quick guide'' suggested by the opinions of others.

If you want ''quick guide'' soundbites then go ahead, subscribe to them but don't even think of telling me to or suggesting the fact I choose to decide such things for myself as something to shut up about.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

If I wasn't, then why is it coming to me? As I said before, I never asked for this. I'm not some religious person trying to get closer to my God. I was an atheistic hedonist before all of this began. I'm not standing up with my hand in the air saying, "here I am Lord, send me." I'm just putting one foot in front of the other and laughing each time the ground transforms beneath my feet, delighted each time I see the light dancing behind a stranger's eyes or I observe an allegory unfold before me. I do know I would never say to another person, "You are not ready for truth," and I've been through hell at times. I'd warn them about the hells, but honestly I think liberation is a virtue unto its own end.

If you must judge me, so be it, but I view you as a sibling and I hope someday we can all yank ourselves out of this madness and we come out the others side relieved and intact. I've seen too much death and enslavement in this one lifetime already, and this is supposedly one of the most peaceful and prosperous eras humanity has ever known.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Do you want the truth? The truth is that you are a human being, nothing more, nothing less. And as a human being you will never know the whole truth in this life.

the whole truth is something hidden that we have to seek out and there will be no Age of Aquarius, so stop looking for it.

Lo, you speak as one having authority. Please, share with us the source of such definitive wisdom. How do you know with such conviction there will be no age of Aquarius? How do you know with such conviction the whole truth cannot be had in a lifetime? How do you know the whole truth is something hidden that we must seek out?

One issue is that subjects that are outside of our scope of experience will appear intrinsically mysterious and even paradoxical. Our cultural programming tends to kick in at that point with total rejection/repulsion.

One key for me was understanding these things experientially rather than through my current structure of thought. I explored them as 'states of mind' themselves, rather than something to fit in my current state of mind. Experience all possibilities of a given paradox simultaneously, as well as the parts where the given contradiction is irrelevant. Even then, such a suggestion will appear as 'gibberish' to most.

It is difficult to speak clearly on experience in general, much less lift the fog hovering over the line straddling reality and the products of our mind. Most tend to prefer the latter. Even those that don't think they do can have a habit of chasing dragons of their mind. Rather than just letting it fly by, we latch onto it as if our lives depended on it.

A move to mathematics as language might help communicate these things more clearly. However, as long as we use words that have no direct relevance to reality, only to our perception, we will always find that experience transcends our language. Given that, there will never be an end to parables and paradoxes until/if we create a means of communication that isn't as bound to subjectivity and isn't steeped in duality.

a reply to: WarminIndy

i know the whole truth mr.Mindy, it is that NOBODY plays better Blues than JoeyB and flying-fingers Philip and i worked all that out in only one lifetime BY MYSELF. www.youtube.com... haha, Love, excitement, and Liberation is inside the Music and a ladies panties !! seriously there is NO proper "love" (for a man) that does not come with a woman. Most religions are dangerously unstabilising PRETENCES of love, uttered by self-glorifying homosexual "gods". wrath, righteousness and theological sh*t by the bucket. abandon the lot, my cat knows already, she cant be bothered with any of it, so sleeps 23 hours a day waiting for "the End" (next year if obummer has his way). Look !! she just walked over my keyboard in agreement

a reply to: Serdgiam

...as long as we use words that have no direct relevance to reality, only to our perception, we will always find that experience transcends our language. Given that, there will never be an end to parables and paradoxes until/if we create a means of communication that isn't as bound to subjectivity and isn't steeped in duality.

Well said sir.

a reply to: Nechash

No god or extradimensional creature is going to win my heart. They do not live in the trenches with us, and as far as I can tell, most of them have a seriously contemptuous view of humankind. Until one of them proves otherwise by offering a substantial olive branch, I have no time for them.

How true is this statement? I suppose its up for debate, but here is my perspective. Jesus is our creator (Yehwah-Elohim). He created our souls in the image of His own soul, with love. When we turned away from Him, He redeemed us with His own blood. He incarnated into human form, resisted all the temptations that we face every day, and took our sins into His own flesh. You cant get anymore into the trenches than that. You are correct, most of the angels (extra dimensional beings) do have contempt for us, but Jesus is our mediator.

"Become the change that you want to see in the world". Those are your words. I want the Light to shine into the world. Jesus is the Light, whoever believes in Him gains eternal life and reflects His light into the world. So how are we to apply your word? By doing what is right in our eyes? Everyone has their own vision of what is right. No one is unified apart from Christ. There is no change for the better apart from Christ.

Believe in Christ and you will become a vessel of that Light. No one can fulfill their destiny as a hermit, it is not God's will.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I can definitely see this. I've been toying around with a numerical/hierogliphic alphabet that has 32 letters (4 series of 8) and is designed with the concepts of Gematria and allegory built into it. It has been a fun exercise and the words are much shorter than in native human languages, and the allegories I've created in it challenge my brain on so many more levels because of all these facets. I've only created maybe 300 or so words with it so far, and for it to become a proper language that number probably needs to increase at least 100 fold, but I think the invention of a new language is a potential for a big leap forward. Just look at what Koine did for the Hellenic world.

originally posted by: Serdgiam

> Our cultural programming tends to kick in with total rejection/repulsion.
** yes.

> One key for me was understanding these things experientially rather than through my current structure of thought.

** yes. the demons will kick you left and right, from one baiting thought to another. keep calm, tell them to F-off. find your silent Centrality existentially, carpe diem. then "jesus" will come and say "well done my son now come with me" BEWARE !! tell "him" (another demon) to P-iss off as well. NOW you are making progress www.youtube.com...

> It is difficult to speak clearly on experience in general, much less lift the fog hovering over the line straddling reality and the products of our mind. Most tend to prefer the latter.

** yes, but Over-Truths >CAN be found, and can be written out >IF you have Determination and Wings of Power to go thru hell to find it. do you really want to ? and who will Listen anyway ? nobody on ATS haha ...

> A move to mathematics as language might help communicate these things more clearly. However, as long as we use words that have no direct relevance to reality, only to our perception, we will always find that experience transcends our language. Given that, there will never be an end to parables and paradoxes until/if we create a means of communication that isn't as bound to subjectivity and isn't steeped in duality.

** yes yes yes Serdgiam mysticism is not for squabbling ignorant Egotistical children - even if they are 83 years old and met the Dalai Lama (spirit-summoning as*hole). only a very calm intelligent willing student will ever get anywhere near >IT. "in the Beginning" only Silence and the Latent Kamanic Proto-Unity (KPU) existed, long before "god" squirted out and Contaminated the Awakening of Our Heavenly MOTHER - later claiming "he" had "created" even HER. and so on ..... Dazed and Confused joeyB albert Hall

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

When Jesus said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," I think he spoke some wisdom, but the real problem is not everyone wants what I want and what might be a kindness to me could be insulting for someone else.

For me it would be more, "Enter the lobby of other's universes if they will allow you and try to learn the rules to their game." Through communication and play comes growth which is mutually advantageous. Everyone has something to teach me, which is a huge reason why all these mind games annoy me to no end. It is hard enough trying to understand someone else's game when they are open and honest, let alone when they are intentionally designing things to be almost incomprehensible.

People are so busy preaching nonduality that they seem to forget the paradox in that nonduality and atomism are simultaneously true. If you only ever focus on improving yourself and abandon the world to fester in darkness, then we all must live with that darkness. In my mind, the only remedy to our peril is for us to invest some of ourselves into this world so that others might also become more free, and this isn't a self sacrifice. It is an investment, which if done properly, should pay out a great return, a world of unlimited prosperity for all of us to enjoy.

a reply to: Nechash

You sound as if you are annoyed at that which you see as 'stumbling upon' 'questions' about the nature of reality, you mentioned that you didn't ''ask for it'' and were just an ''atheist'' before. If you see it as a problem then perhaps you either aren't ready for such depths of contemplation or need to learn a few things about it.

Either way, you mentioned it and presumably on a public forum, for comments.

I commented, if you see comments that aren't to your liking as 'judgements' then perhaps that is a lesson you should think about.

Don't ask for comments if you don't want to hear them.

a reply to: MasterKaman

Yeah, I've always treated all extradimensional forces and ideas with the same level of skepticism. Seems like a game of good cop bad cop to me, especially when they come out really pouring it on. "Hey, there's nothing special about me bud, don't try to pet my ego into submission, not gonna happen." ;p

a reply to: MasterKaman

Some valid points there Kaman.

The very mention of ''god'' as ''him'' is anathema to reality IMO.

''god'' as a term of organised religions is an abhorration of the absolute energy and way above and beyond him /her identities.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Comment away. I'm absolutely loving this. Just getting to see people from so many different walks of life communicate with one another relatively peacefully and respectfully is amazing to me. If I need to get knocked around a bit for that to happen, I'm good for it. There's nothing you can say to me that will destroy me, and if there is, then I guess I need to be destroyed. Your communication does me a great service, because it illustrates for me where I'm still sensitive. That lets me identify a new area that I need to work on. I only mentioned the whole judgment thing because I fear our judgments bind us into this reality and somehow end up doing more harm to us in the long run and I fear what that might be doing to you, not to me. That fear is highly speculative and largely superstitious and I have no real proof for it, which is why I didn't just come out and say that in the first place, but it is a work in progress.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

The difference is, I didn't just make a thread proclaiming my ''wisdom'' whilst berating other for theirs.

I choose to decide such things as ''mystic wisdom'' for myself rather than believing the ''quick guide'' suggested by the opinions of others.

If you want ''quick guide'' soundbites then go ahead, subscribe to them but don't even think of telling me to or suggesting the fact I choose to decide such things for myself as something to shut up about.

He presented arguments. You didn't. That's the only difference. Whether its in a OP or in a reply to an OP is meaningless.

Arguments get presented. Arguments are either refuted or agreed upon. We question the arguments, not the arguer. We are equals here. Let's remain on equal ground.

As to remain on topic, where specifically is the OP unreasonable?

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sounds like you forgot that your complaint was that I ''didn't provide proof'' of my wisdom.

I commented that this thread is berating others for not providing proof of their wisdom, whilst exclaiming it's own version of 'mystic wisdom'.

Which part of that do you not understand?

The truth is internal. It is subjective, have ten people at the same table of thought and you will receive ten versions of the truth. If truth is what you seek you must discover what it is in this world that you love. Then you must study that and perfect it and then give it away for free to whomever will have it. And therein lies the truth. The creator exists in every person but only in as much as they are willing to find study and reveal.


a reply to: Nechash

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Through communication and play comes growth which is mutually advantageous. Everyone has something to teach me, which is a huge reason why all these mind games annoy me to no end. It is hard enough trying to understand someone else's game when they are open and honest, let alone when they are intentionally designing things to be almost incomprehensible.

I feel an important step in accomplishing this is to introduce a framework that places incentives on actions that make a strong culture and society, perhaps even replacing the idea of employment in its current sense.

People are so busy preaching nonduality that they seem to forget the paradox in that nonduality and atomism are simultaneously true.

Its just one of those things that can become very hard to change. It tends to just be a switch from one side of the spectrum to the other, but that movement can be the kickstart. The issue is that old habits can die hard, and most find enough satisfaction from the polar switch alone. We see that we are everything in opposition to what we thought we were, so how could we possibly be acting in the same way? The products of our mind has changed, but the reality and the action remains the same. The only external shift is in language, even though we think reality itself has changed. How tricky!

When it comes to a new language, I like to think of a unification between spoken language and mathematics, where we could speak of an amazing experience using the same grammar as a sunset, or the orbit of a comet. Perhaps even model the sound of the 'words' off of a waveform representation of the math involved. I like to think it would sound like singing, but it might sound like static too.

a reply to: Nechash

**yes, good work Nechash, very necessary Concept to dramatically improve the design of english semantics. the more philosophy one writes, the more pathetically inadequate we find this language and alphabet to be. 42 symbols were used in my (IKA) "international Kiamic alphabet" years ago, but eventually i moved on to Direct Telepathy with Aliens haha, i can hear all the guffaws from ATS idiots. the GOOD ones /"angels" speak via "thought-forms" gently pushed against our minds. if an idea fits into and improves existing comprehension, we accept it into our expanding mind state. but alas MOST of "the gods" are huge Egotistical self-glorifying BULLIES, so you may have a great Telepathic FIGHT to look forward to !! and it will spill into the Physical world as well, so expect a bit of Paranoia when "they" try to >Actually< kill you once a week for 10 years. not funny, but Humour, women, and Fierce adherence to Common Sense will keep you sane in the Global Madhouse. www.youtube.com... [bonfire, you make me feel]. 2 minutes ago, my neighbour, an indian Moslem, gave us a big plate of curry, yummy ! just letting you know they are NOT all head-chopping lunatics

It's no joke, I realize this. Pay attention and let stillness be your guide.

You can hear the windows pop just after the tones appear. The vibrations will come.
The longest wave is said to be the 'size of the universe'.

Consider it a gift, and guard it with your every breath. It be a seed. That grows.

This is better than spending the whole day blasting music because someone just OD'd.

That's all I'll add.

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