Remote viewing and psychic study round 3? the pre-test..

originally posted by: Pinke
a reply to: miniatus
Hiya miniatus,

Do you provide things like GPS coordinates? Some persons require a map position or location for remote viewings. Something to centre the viewing to the correct location.

I provided a google map link of the general area.. and from that the gps coordinates could be obtained, but I didn't give exact coordinates of the box... when it comes to remote viewing a lot of claims have been made.. such as is alleged success in finding enemy locations... the enemy didn't hand out coordinates ... nor did they ask for full names ( hinting back to previous posts ) .. I'm willing to give in to a degree but there has to be some degree of a challenge.. I won't give an address, phone number and what shelf it's sitting on in which room ..

a reply to: miniatus


I guess... in short... there has to be absolutely no way someone could know where the object is .. they can know approximately where it is... they don't need to know my full name.. I know better than that, if someone wants to make it about that I can make special arrangements MAYBE ... but that would be a separate experiment and protocols would need to be defined for that.. but I'm quite aware of the remote viewers of the US ... they were often given very vague information to start with ..

originally posted by: flowofmysoul
a reply to: miniatus

I am answering your question on "what do you need". I want to try to find the object that you are going to pick. I meant that I will keep your full name confidential, in other words I will not share your name with anyone, only for my personal use.

After considering your request it really just makes no sense.. and it does nothing to benefit this public experiment to be transmitting details privately ... you're also the first person to ever request that kind of thing .. AND in the history of RV in the military, they didn't have such luxury .. so that request won't happen unless I have good reason to... but it would require that it be public.. I give my information out and you give yours.. otherwise this experiment has absolutely no credibility..

a reply to: miniatus
Thanks for the reply miniatus.

I'd like to try. For the record I have absolutely no skills or talents in this area what so ever. I found my friend's car keys once over the phone and once predicted a motor cycle crash but that's because my friend is a terrible rider. I'm also a debunker and skeptic. I probably worked for the U.S government but they mind control me so I don't remember.

The remote viewing I've seen has been with a given general area. Such as 'what is in this area' and that type of thing. Obviously google maps ruins this somewhat, since we can just go and look now. I haven't seen many 'realistic' remote viewers claim they can find things in a tiny box with no knowledge at all of where it is. I mean I've seen some bad psychic television shows, but yes ... I imagine even being able to see the item outside of its box would be a really huge deal.

Either way, I'll try with whatever rules your are comfortable with for the giggles. Though I think if the box was outside it would help. I'm not sure if psychic Pinke can open doors yet

It's a pottery mushroom with a rather droll expression.

Do I win a prize?

originally posted by: caterpillage

originally posted by: miniatus
a reply to: flowofmysoul

We'll need to come to some specialized arrangement for that one.. perhaps a phone call .. I've never been asked for that kind of detail from any RV'er before... and given this is ATS .. it's also not so much of a given then you just do .. anyone else think that you need to toss out your full name for a remote view?

A full name would be an unnessesary request for RV work. The only information required would be a target, the object, and a set of coordinates. Example; 3742, 5790. The numbers are purely random. At least for coordinate RV.

Right.. and that's the feedback I got in the past.. and I provided that in the last challenge I would say wouldn't you? the map was a google map which is easy enough to get coordinates from.. So I guess we need a way of deciding on what was wrong with the last challenge? ... what was right? ... what's missing? .. and what maybe should be removed?

I'd love to get this nailed down with a consensus .. there's already an obvious interest.. though I'm not really seeing any of the old faces yet.. it's only been one night and the response has been nearly as big as the last test in it's entirety .. so I'm excited to see how many people will actually take part .. I actually think I've already got my object worked out... the questions remain:

1. Is there any benefit of hiding the object and taking a photo of what it's hidden with? or is that too much info because of scale? immediately I noticed people were guessing based on the size of the box... so that may have only been a distraction... should that be excluded?
2. How specific should the coordinates be? I don't think it should give the exact building.. if necessary I can.. I just don't know what is needed and what isn't...
3. How much time is enough? I believe I gave a week last time... is a week too much? not enough?
4. Are you satisfied with my security measures?
5. Is there a trusted download provider everyone can agree on?
6. If not.. can you recommend one better? I will have it on my site and I will provide MD5 checksums to go with it to verifiy it's not been touched ..

originally posted by: miniatus

1. Is there any benefit of hiding the object and taking a photo of what it's hidden with? or is that too much info because of scale? immediately I noticed people were guessing based on the size of the box... so that may have only been a distraction... should that be excluded?

Could always give pic of where thing is hidden and then just place thing in an obvious place of prominence?

2. How specific should the coordinates be? I don't think it should give the exact building.. if necessary I can.. I just don't know what is needed and what isn't...

Personally I think being able to describe something in a foreign country is impressive enough without having to discern where that something is exactly. Especially if its a small thing. Running a kilometre is a pain. Running a kilometre using mind bullets in a foreign country is even more of a pain I imagine. If is successful can always try harder rules next time?

3. How much time is enough? I believe I gave a week last time... is a week too much? not enough?

A week or two lets persons find time to do it and maybe allows some stragglers?

Either way is best not to listen to me about most things.

a reply to: Pinke

hehe well the "needs" and "requirements" seem to change with those that claim the ability.. at first it was based on observations I made from what people who claimed to be RV'ers could do both here and in other forums and their capabilities seem to be quite clear and detailed.. I also didn't limit it to RV'ers... but psychics of any kind .. this was born from me seeing lots of claims .. but whenever people were asked to demonstrate in a specific way ... suddenly it didn't work

So really this is me devising a way where I've set up multiple experiments, tweaking it as requested each round to try to help optimize success without making it so easy that it falls into the realm of chance for success..

Again.. the original RV'ers were supposedly used to mine intelligence in foreign countries without much beginning detail.. the modern ATS rv'ers and psychics have claimed some pretty detailed things in the past..

And this again is just the pre-event .. I'm trying to get a consensus on rules... first round went well but there were lots of reasons they'd said it didn't work out... one was the need for more specific coordinates... then in the second I had some private messages claiming I gave away too much detail .. if you go by that alone it sounds like this ability is completely fragile and hardly useful...

I just want to create a situation that is fair for all involved while not making it impossible or too easy..

a reply to: Pinke

And interestingly enough .. while I have not yet read it, I seen a remote viewing thread title this morning that I will be going to check out right now... I just want to get these details worked out.. I'm willing to give it a few days of debate and input .. and another few days ... or weeks if needed... for people to work out the answer but we're early in yet.. I want this to be very thorough

Hi Miniatus,
Ok I'm in once y'all figure out what the target is.
But I'd keep it simple and singular as
RV is a dark murky vision world .

As long as nothing changes during the task
You can pick anything from a blender sitting on your driveway
to a band of clouds at 33 degrees latitude on Jupiter .Whatever.

Just need a number that is connected to the target. I suggest writing
the number by hand after taking a pic or thinking of the target. Then you can
zip it digitize until your hearts content. But I prefer a human connection
for the target number at its genesis. just my opinions.

a reply to: miniatus

Well, seems like this thread is full of people who can RV and know all its details. I won't interfere, good luck with your experiment.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Hi Miniatus,
Ok I'm in once y'all figure out what the target is.
But I'd keep it simple and singular as
RV is a dark murky vision world .

As long as nothing changes during the task
You can pick anything from a blender sitting on your driveway
to a band of clouds at 33 degrees latitude on Jupiter .Whatever.

Just need a number that is connected to the target. I suggest writing
the number by hand after taking a pic or thinking of the target. Then you can
zip it digitize until your hearts content. But I prefer a human connection
for the target number at its genesis. just my opinions.

From the blender in my driveway thing, to a band of clouds ... why do I get the impression you're suggesting the target needs to be outdoors? or did I read too far into it? also what is the significance of the number? I have no problem with that at all I just never had that requested in the past.. I have perfectly doable.. I am just curious..

Thanks for the feedback

originally posted by: flowofmysoul
a reply to: miniatus

Well, seems like this thread is full of people who can RV and know all its details. I won't interfere, good luck with your experiment.

Backing down? I've not seen an RV'er ever needing that information you asked for since it's inception.. why do you need that? I mean zero disrespect.. I'm just curious why you in particular require that?

originally posted by: miniatus

originally posted by: flowofmysoul
a reply to: miniatus
Well, seems like this thread is full of people who can RV and know all its details. I won't interfere, good luck with your experiment.

Backing down?

I've not seen an RV'er ever needing that information you asked for since it's inception.. why do you need that? I mean zero disrespect.. I'm just curious why you in particular require that?

The experiment did not even start yet and I did not join it to back down

To answer your question. In my experience geo location it self does not give much info to work with.
In case you specify the exact location or you put that box into a public location, you will get a vague description of your object or description of something similar to your object. Reason for this is complicated.
The reason why I ask what I ask is because you are connected to that phrase, you are familiar with an object, so I would use you to know what is the object.
The reason why some people might ask you to write down a unique number there is to have some kind of a link. You are going to be attached to that number. However if you write that number and forget/ignore it in future, it will have very little effect. Also people might get images of other members of ATS who will get attached to the same unique number. I believe most people who are asking for a number, know very little of why number actually works

Count me in. Nice coincidence: I had one of the old threads on my mind a couple of days ago, and I thought it would be cool to see a new RV experiment, and then this new one popped up by the same OP.

Always found it interesting that some forum users decided to join in, but not publicly. Thought it was a cop out then, still think it's a cop out. The same way with mediums. Seen many claims right here on ATS by people who claim their 'spirits' are never wrong. But as soon as an experiment or a challenge is made, they always seem to not be available.

a reply to: miniatus


Forgive my ignorance, I missed the last one and came in after the 'answer' was given and didn't even know about this first one, so a few questions please:

When you post this third actual assignment, will it give clear instructions of what you want in the OP so that we don't have to go through pages and pages of explanations and rules etc, as this thread has?

My 'initial' thoughts, even from limited information are what I have come to trust (on a subject, place, feeling, description) so other questions or issues would only fog my instinct for that necessary spontaneous grasp of the general idea of the topic/challenge.

I read in this thread something about us sending pics? or did I misunderstand?

I am ok with being anon, would prefer that, I would only participate to test and hone in on my own skills (or lack of) anyways.

Add: are we to describe sight/light, sound, temperature, location (of the item/place and it's surroundings) etc?

a reply to: miniatus
This is how you know flowofmysoul might be the real deal. It's like the opposite of Pinke who says, 'you can make up whatever rules you like, I'll still try to send my space unicorn turtle hybrid to find it.'

Requirements are probably a good thing? Haha

Just my two cents, but you should not have to specific. From what I recall when I was reading about the subject the target location need not be specifically known. It is simply linked to numbers or letters, which the viewer then gets to see. I am pretty sure that even when the government experimented with it they gave the subjects nothing but those identifying numbers. So they told them absolutely nothing else. But they also did experiments where they had a picture of the object in the same building, but I don't recall all the tests being done that way...So you should look at that and see how they did it, or the way they got the best results.

Off the top of my head, I say create a random string of numbers, and print it out twice. Cut the numbers down to a few inches or so, and place one on/in/under/nearby the target object, and then give the other to the subjects doing the experiment. Do not give any other information. But that will be one experiment. Then do another experiment where you give more specific information, like saying "it is on a dresser," etc., but still do the number thing for identification. There has to be some type of link I would think, and the number should be it. The government experiments would use coordinates for a specific location, and the subject was to view what was at that location. I'm not sure if the subject was given the coordinates, or if the coordinates were linked to a number. You could even do a location with coordinates, but again you would have to look up how they performed the experiment. Anyway, you could do multiple experiments using different constraints and methods, and can see which gets the best results.

originally posted by: miniatus

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Hi Miniatus,
Ok I'm in once y'all figure out what the target is.
But I'd keep it simple and singular as
RV is a dark murky vision world .

As long as nothing changes during the task
You can pick anything from a blender sitting on your driveway
to a band of clouds at 33 degrees latitude on Jupiter .Whatever.

Just need a number that is connected to the target. I suggest writing
the number by hand after taking a pic or thinking of the target. Then you can
zip it digitize until your hearts content. But I prefer a human connection
for the target number at its genesis. just my opinions.

From the blender in my driveway thing, to a band of clouds ... why do I get the impression you're suggesting the target needs to be outdoors? or did I read too far into it? also what is the significance of the number? I have no problem with that at all I just never had that requested in the past.. I have perfectly doable.. I am just curious..

Thanks for the feedback

My pleasure !
I was just being silly about the blender and clouds. The number allegedly
binds the target in a quantum field so that we can view the target by number only. When you look at the target it's like being an observer in Quantum experiments so now the Universe knows it.
Then assigning it a number provides the spooky action at a distance. Which is again allegedly faster than light. The number is a beacon and helps our natural born quantum field knowing brains, know what the specific object is.

I have taken a close look into remote viewing and I believe there should be a warning issued to those who are not aware:

This is a form of automatic writing - witchcraft

The form of meditation used to see future events is also forbidden - witchcraft.

Witchcraft opens spiritual doors allowing evil entities into your home which leads to infestation, obessisson and possession. It can and will effect many things in your life and the lives of your loved ones, health, fiances, employment, physic, mentality, your home, etc...

I would advise you to reconsider remote viewing.