Scientists propose existence and interaction of parallel worlds

a reply to: KnightLight

So really a "spirit" or "energy" leaving the body wouldn't be a separate thing. It's not actually going anywhere, it never left, and it's not there.

I think thats something we disagree about.. I'm a spiritual person I don't think that science is the only logical explanation of how the world works . Its also one of the stumbling stones they going to face finding the proof of this whole thing. because they leave this possibility out of their equations ..

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: Aleister
One thing boggles me , if the mansions can refer to the universes can also be other populated worlds. But let's say they refer to multi universes . What does that do with subconscious and awareness the way it works and you can assume that it may be multiplying to. What a schizophrenic thought that would be ?

I don't think it means anything other than what it says.I don't think there would be enough saved on the narrow road to need to apply universes or even worlds.

3"If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.…

English Standard Version
In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?

New American Standard Bible
"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

King James Bible
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Everybody reads the bible differently, its something you can't impose to someone...

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: Char-Lee

Everybody reads the bible differently, its something you can't impose to someone...

Lol really did I say otherwise? Was giving my opinion and imposition? Sorry my thoughts are unwelcome and if I intruded.
I am simply pointing out it does not seem at all to be speaking of some huge realm of space in any sense. I made sure to say

I don't think...

in other words...In that is my opinion.

Parallel and alternate universes are fine, except for one thing. If there are basically an infinite number of myself running amok in existence, why am I only experiencing one? The same old boring one, day after day?

As far as I'm concerned, there's only one universe worth anything. That's the one I'm looking at right now. The one I hang my hat in. All the other universes are nothing more than fiction to me, even if they might technically "exist."

And when I die, this universe is going to vanish along with me. Zip. Gone.

a reply to: Char-Lee

My bad I got your intention wrong then, didn't mean to offend you..Maybe I didn't fully understand what you meant..It was my other me from the parallel world who said that...

originally posted by: 0bserver1


I think thats something we disagree about.. I'm a spiritual person I don't think that science is the only logical explanation of how the world works . Its also one of the stumbling stones they going to face finding the proof of this whole thing. because they leave this possibility out of their equations ..

Nah you misunderstand me completely. I AM not my body or anything physical... I know I am ONE. You think it's something that's an energy. I think we all come from nothing.. Words are being used differently by us.

I'm VERY spiritual if you didn't get that from all the rest of what I said..

I'm trying to connect the dots, in their language.

My disagreement with you is that a "soul" is something that can leave a "body"
Knowing WHO you are is WAY more important than knowing WHERE you are.

you just might have problems with my analogies or my perspectives. If we are still in disagreement somehow I want to know what it is. So let me know. I like this conversation very much.

I'm beyond Energy. I'm not in ONE location.

The things I said about "The Matrix" and "LOST" are actually important.



HMMM. When I said "it's not there" I meant something else than you think I did.

originally posted by: 0bserver1

Many Interacting Worlds theory challenges foundations of quantum science

That is something I always asked myself do the things we see here on earth, like all the mysterious sightings and weather changes and many other unsolved things a result of parallel worlds slowly merging with ours so we are going to see more weird stuff in the future?

Griffith University academics are challenging the foundations of quantum science with a radical new theory based on the existence of, and interactions between, parallel universes.

In a paper published in the prestigious journal Physical Review X, Professor Howard Wiseman and Dr Michael Hall from Griffith's Centre for Quantum Dynamics, and Dr Dirk-Andre Deckert from the University of California, take interacting parallel worlds out of the realm of science fiction and into that of hard science.

The team proposes that parallel universes really exist, and that they interact. That is, rather than evolving independently, nearby worlds influence one another by a subtle force of repulsion.

They show that such an interaction could explain everything that is bizarre about quantum mechanics Quantum theory is needed to explain how the universe works at the microscopic scale, and is believed to apply to all matter.

But it is notoriously difficult to fathom, exhibiting weird phenomena which seem to violate the laws of cause and effect.

I think these things are widely discussed here and now it seems science is acknowledging this too.

As the eminent American theoretical physicist Richard Feynman once noted: "I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics."

Well I'm not even can imagine how it all works but if this can be proved then in combination of living in this holographic universe , its like going to the cinemas and chose your picture.

Professor Wiseman and his colleagues propose that:

- The universe we experience is just one of a gigantic number of worlds. Some are almost identical to ours while most are very different

- All of these worlds are equally real, exist continuously through time, and possess precisely defined properties

- All quantum phenomena arise from a universal force of repulsion between 'nearby' (i.e. similar) worlds which tends to make them more dissimilar.

It would clear up allot about maybe time-travel and maybe afterlife also and things like that I suppose?

Physical Review X
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Peace..

S+F for you. This topic is one very near and dear to my heart as it something I've spent countless hours discussing with my deceased brother, and he was a self-educated genius, an intellect unmatched by anyone I've met in my 38 years. To put that in perspective, my recently deceased uncle was a bio-engineering researcher at Kansas State University and by all accounts was unmatched amongst his collegues. I did not get that incredible intelligence but every hippy I've ever met says I'm an ancient soul filled with old world wisdom. I'd like to believe that as it's such a romantic idea, but at times I feel much like an infant. Reading through this thread has brought a tear to my eye and for that I thank all of you!


I have long believed that the UFO/alien/ancient alien phenomenon is a fact of life but only a few of the ET species involved is actually from another star system; instead the vast majority of aliens are actually from Earth, just a parallel Earth. I believe there are areas on the planet and the surrounding space in our solar system that have a thin barrier to individual "bubbles" where beings can travel back and forth between the two realms. Each realm that touches is quite different from each other, so in order to reach a realm nearly identical to our own we'd have to travel through multiple realms to reach it, which is kind of supported by this repulsion idea.

This concept or hypothesis I have developed over time explains everything from the vimana wars over ancient India, to Atlantis to bigfoot. But the most important part of my hypothesis is that our souls are spread out amongst multiple universes because the human body cannot contain the raw power and energy of an infinite and eternal spirit. This means the soul that animates me also animates a very large number of versions of me. I explain it to people like a colony of ants is made up of hundreds of thousands of individual ants but the colony as a whole shares a single, simple soul; which BTW I think is the case with both ants, bees and schools of fish.


And now I sit here wishing I had someone to discuss these topics with over a few thousand cups of hot cocoa.

a reply to: 0bserver1
Sometime I wonder if we slip into another world that is almost identical to ours. That could be why some people clearly remember events happening that never happened. (ex: Some remember Nelson Mendella being killed in prison.)

Maybe it happens everytime we cheat death, we slip into another world almost identical to ours.

originally posted by: Sabiduria
a reply to: 0bserver1
Sometime I wonder if we slip into another world that is almost identical to ours. That could be why some people clearly remember events happening that never happened. (ex: Some remember Nelson Mendella being killed in prison.)

Maybe it happens everytime we cheat death, we slip into another world almost identical to ours.

I think it's happening constantly.. I also think that on a certain level getting everyone to think similar things (TV Programming, religions, ect.) Puts us in a more stable state, and puts us on a particular path. If this is the case then those in the know will notice who is off the program and remembering too much haha.. In one of my memory streams Nelson Mandela died when I was a kid. Everyone knew it. My teacher was the one who told me. He had died while still in jail. I can't find many people who remember that first one anymore.

I've actually remembered the future well enough (having dejavu movies) that I knew what would happen next and I called it out before it happened. People who know me know I "saw the future" It's hard to remember though. It has the same quality as dream memories, and I would go so far as to say that's why dreams are also hard to remember. It's a different stream. Whatever stream you are currently conscious in overpowers the past to the point it's so hard to remember, but just like a crazy dream sometimes it sticks..

a reply to: LowTechRedneck
I'm glad I could bring this forward in researching your quest. I do believe beings from another world that are more evolved have found the key to open doors to other realities . Something as time in space could be totally different on this parallel highway of space and time.

Our spirrits could be such as quasars leftovers from the physical world we once lived in. Or maybe passing to other parallel worlds also coexist side by side as opposite from the 3d dimensions we are now live in? As the unconsciousness we're feeded from to fill our memories with guided pathways to choose from.

However all this is just imagination of how our world could work one day we will head to a much clearer point where we can say that life has a totally different meaning as we see it now..

peace the force behind all of this should make us stronger day by day..

originally posted by: 0bserver1
a reply to: Char-Lee

My bad I got your intention wrong then, didn't mean to offend you..Maybe I didn't fully understand what you meant..It was my other me from the parallel world who said that...

Guess I was touchy from a previous encounter elsewhere. Thanks for the apology I like to read other opinions and give my own, eventually after enough interaction we all learn things.

a reply to: 0bserver1

The team proposes that parallel universes really exist, and that they interact.

The words "proposes" and "really exist" poses a problem as the "team" in both their "abstract" and "popular summary" do not say that parallel worlds "really exist". In their "popular summary" they say:

Our “many-interacting-worlds” approach HINGES ON THE ASSUMPTION that interactions between deterministically evolving worlds cause all quantum effects.

[emphasis in caps my addition]

"Proposes" implies that it's a theory, not proven, whereas "really exists" implies it's real, proven, fait accompli.

Would have been best had the news article stated "..The team proposes that parallel universes "may" really exist, and that they interact. .." however that wouldn't make it as controversial as saying that "parallel universes really exist".....

Just sayin'......

This is all good and awesome and all, but I would like to remind our male friends and members that if confronted with an attractive parallel self, please remember to use the proper precautions.

the morning after- red dwarf

Don't end up like Dave.

The MIW approach to quantum mechanics is the Many Worlds interpretation turned inside out and pumped up on steroids. Aside from acknowledging the plausibility of parallel universes, they each approach the problem from uniquely different perspectives. I have a feeling this is an important work and will come under considerable scientific scrutiny.

Personally, I’m not in a position to render an intelligent opinion one way or the other as to the validity or correctness of this study. I still have to read more about it and haven’t had time to digest it yet. More so than most papers I’ve read, though, my gut tells me there may be some substance here. At least it attempts to dispel some of the “magic” behind quantum theory and makes it a little more understandable, and “real”. Also, one of the contributors to the study, Dr. Hall, indicated that MIW theory “may even create the extraordinary possibility of testing for the existence of other worlds.” Now that would be hot! If successful, this has “major breakthrough” written all over it.

Great thread...

PS: Regarding a couple of earlier posts, I just wanted to clear something up. Just as division by 0 is undefined, division by infinity is also undefined. Mathematically it has no meaning. So, infinity divided by infinity does not equal 1; it’s undefined.

a reply to: Bishop2199

Infinity divided by anything less than infinity is still infinity.

Right? Someone back me up here.

a reply to: eNaR

Uhm, proposes would serve as the "may" in that sentence, there's no need to add may.
They only propose that it "really exists", meaning that it is only a theory, just as you said.



As for the theory.. the most interesting aspect of the multiverse theory to me is the possibility of fictional universes actually existing, that and cartoon worlds..

I've even had entities heavily imply or straight up say that this is the case.

originally posted by: netbound
The MIW approach to quantum mechanics is the Many Worlds interpretation turned inside out and pumped up on steroids. Aside from acknowledging the plausibility of parallel universes, they each approach the problem from uniquely different perspectives. I have a feeling this is an important work and will come under considerable scientific scrutiny.

Personally, I’m not in a position to render an intelligent opinion one way or the other as to the validity or correctness of this study. I still have to read more about it and haven’t had time to digest it yet. More so than most papers I’ve read, though, my gut tells me there may be some substance here. At least it attempts to dispel some of the “magic” behind quantum theory and makes it a little more understandable, and “real”. Also, one of the contributors to the study, Dr. Hall, indicated that MIW theory “may even create the extraordinary possibility of testing for the existence of other worlds.” Now that would be hot! If successful, this has “major breakthrough” written all over it.

There's a commentary here from an expert which puts it in place.

journals.aps.org...

This is different from merely an 'interpretation' of quantum mechanics: "its experimental predictions may differ from those of the Schrödinger equation. ... Hall et al. also introduce a key innovation with their “world-particle”—treating each trajectory world as if it were a single particle, and thence treating all quantum effects via a purely classical “interworld potential.” The Schrödinger equation is thereby replaced by classical-like Hamiltonian equations of motion. These are great ideas—not only conceptually, but also with regard to the new numerical breakthroughs they are almost certain to engender."

Unquestionably an experimental confirmation of this theory (and hence a modification of QM) would be enormously important theoretically---the biggest breakthrough in fundamental QM for decades---and it would vindicate none other than Albert Einstein's often mocked intuition about QM (possibly incomplete & "God does not play dice") over Bohr & the Copenhagenists. Already decoherence as measurement theory (vs Bohr) is becoming more accepted (closer to Einstein's position and recognizing the illogic of Copenhagen interpretation), but a clear experimental result and effectively a derivation of QM from what is an underlying deterministic classical theory (implying experimental distinction and generation of apparent randomness from classical chaos & nonlinear dynamics) would be a stunning reversal.

And conceivably the new approach could help unify with gravitation.

Don't bet against Einstein.

Multiple worlds theories are always awesome. The interesting thing about this is that (it seems to me that) it's quite the reverse of the other popular theory, which, if I'm not mistaken, states that every possibility posited by QM is experienced in another universe, or in other words, every time multiple scenarios can develop from one point (like Schrodinger's cat being either alive or dead after being observed), a new universe is created for each potential outcome.

This theory states that weird QM stuff is a result of the interaction of two or more entirely classical universes, from which the strangeness of QM arises. This theory starts with multiple universes and draws their properties into what we experience, the other starts with our universe, and draws its properties into other universes.

I imagine that many quantum physicists will be opposed to this theory on the grounds that it appears to be yet another attempt to write off (read: reject) the counterintuitive nature of quantum mechanics, due to the human tendency to assume that what is available to the senses matches reality, and to favour that which it can understand.

a reply to: mbkennel
Thanks, mbkennel, for the link to the commentary. This is an exciting, solid piece of research. At least that's my initial impression. After review, and if well received, it couldl radically shift the scientific perspective on most everything. Who woulda thunk it? Finally, a realistic interpretation of quantum phenomena that until now bordered on voodoo science. A common sensical (classical) explanation for things like wave packet spreading, tunneling, zero-point energies, the quantum measurement problem, entanglement and interference. And all without need for the concept of a wave function! And the Grand Prize, unification with gravity!

So many aspects of quantum theory have baffled and perplexed even the most literate and highly regarded authorities in the field. Even the most able of experts have never pretended to understand the weirdness of the quantum world. Maybe one day soon the "shut up and calculate" mentality will fade into the past, replaced by a grander, more meaningful and intuitive understanding of nature. A great day for science that would be, IMHO.

Of course, I'm getting way ahead of myself from the excitement. There's still much work to be done and issues to be resolved for MIW to be a complete, comprehensive model, but it sure seems to be heading in a promising direction.

Enough of my dribble. Here's to you, Einstein! You're still King in my book!"

think I have a love hate relationship with this theory underscore theory underscore still not proven. but damn its a nice notion. but like he said, If multiverses exist then between them is this energy?. right?. seems to me we are only just scratching the surface about how to survive in our own hospitable space. Travelling outside our universe into this energy to another seems pretty faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away. perhaps einsteins theories of bending space time might be fun to tinker with on that. ill leave you with the thought that somewhere else right now another version of me is probably typing this with perfect grammar.