Forgotten Human History

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
a reply to: Wolfenz
Truth of the matter is that Hueyátlaco is so out of whack, you can't build a new paradigm without further support.

I know just a Bit what HUEYALTOCO.. is about

Im Still doing Research about the site...


Tho HUEYALTOCO. claimed to be 250,000 years and Modern MAN has been on this Planet, what was Originally Claimed to be on Earth 250,000 Years Claim's of Modern man Originally came Out of Africa 40,000 years Tho Cave Paintings in France are that Same Age .. and we have Now Claims of Discovery in Israel of Modern man Being Old as 400,000 years instead of 250,000 years .. Yeah there a lot of Speculation of Being Out of Whack .. A Lot of OOPS Parts

From Virgina McIntyre Herself 2(PDF's)
Suppressed Evidence for Ancient Man in Mexico
pleistocenecoalition.com...

A Review of the Valsequillo, Mexico Early-Man Archaeological Sites (1962-2004) with Emphasis on the Geological Investigations of Harold E. Malde. (PDF) 12megs
pleistocenecoalition.com...


Hell ..., Here is the Site.. for More PDFS

Virginia Steen-McIntyre

Tephrochronologist, PhD (Specialist in volcanic ash studies)
pleistocenecoalition.com...



Interesting Website

THE PLEISTOCENE COALITION
pleistocenecoalition.com...

Join a community not afraid to challenge the status quo. Question with confidence any paradigm promoted as "scientific" that depends upon withholding conflicting evidence from the public in order to appear unchallenged.

If it's suppressed how do you know about it? That site is one of most NOT suppressed in the world, lol

I think the word you want is not suppressed but 'not accepted by the consensus' or contentious and confusing.

a reply to: Hanslune

Yeah, the more I look into that site (Website and physical site) the more uneasy I feel....not because it shakes the foundations of my knowledge, but because it just doesn't sit well...I o0bviously need to do more research into that (physical) site, the history and politics behind it and so on...

It's a shame that the plieostocene coalition has Cremo's drivel associated with it.

As far as hueyalteco goes I belive that a team from uc berkely has been digging in the area of the last couple of years. Some of the principals gave a presentation on the newest work at last years Paleo American oddessy conference , I will kick my self in the ass for the rest of my life for missing it.
Don't forget that it isn't the only site in the area giving up contentious finds. The barzena carving was found just a few miles away , for those who don't know it's a 24k year old camel bone carved into a canine head.
And I'm going ti take the stand that any sites older than 75k years in the new world are not Hss but most likely Hh or hsn, after all native mesoamericans have some of the highest levels of hsn DNA and for sure inherited the diabetes risk gene from hsn.

This is a cast of 4.7k year old skull from Tepexpan mx, it's in the same region as heuyalteco,
notice that thus skull has a sagittal keel, the ridge on the top of the skull. It more prominent in person than in a photo. Could it be a archaic hold over.


And as far as anomalously old sites in Na , calico hills is the best bet.
I've read all of the published work that is available online, both pro and con, and honestly it's hard to deny it. Some of the con arguments border on the rediculous to outright fallacious.
The stratigraphy of the site is solid, rock solid for that matter, a mudslide buried the site and has not been disturbed in the intervening years. The worked stone items are found in discreet locations and not near sources of the stone that was worked. Red ochre has been found at the site and red ochre is not native to the area. One of the pieces was made from a piece of chert that can only be sourced from a location in sw Colorado, some six hundred miles away.

a reply to: punkinworks10

I have a sagittal keel!

Sure, a bit disingenuous, but I sure have a pointy head!

a reply to: aorAki
Right on,
That pic is from the national museum of natural history 's display of casts of important skull fossils.
The reason it stood out is that it is the only AM human skull with one.

And texpexpan was mentioned in a preliminary report of a study of Holocene burials in ca and Mexico. The group noted that the burials from Baja and the lakes region of Mexico share a host of skeletal features usually associated with archaic populations.

Well what we need is a discovery of HSA Homo Sapien Americaii

originally posted by: Hanslune
Well what we need is a discovery of HSA Homo Sapien Americaii

The ghost of Carl Linnaeus
just perked up a little.

originally posted by: punkinworks10

originally posted by: Hanslune
Well what we need is a discovery of HSA Homo Sapien Americaii

The ghost of Carl Linnaeus
just perked up a little.

Hey I didn't take Latin - I was, shall we say, 'winging it'.

originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: aorAki
Right on,
That pic is from the national museum of natural history 's display of casts of important skull fossils.
The reason it stood out is that it is the only AM human skull with one.

And texpexpan was mentioned in a preliminary report of a study of Holocene burials in ca and Mexico. The group noted that the burials from Baja and the lakes region of Mexico share a host of skeletal features usually associated with archaic populations.

Just a Guess a Hybrid ?

Neanderthal-human Hybrids
by: Paul H. Mason1*, Roger V. Short2
Vol.9 No.1 ˑ
1 Corresponding author. Department of Anthropology, Macquarie University, NSW 2109, Australia. 2 Office of the Dean, Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry and Health Sciences, University of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia. Email: [email protected]

Correspondence: [email protected]
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Researchers have long wondered if Neanderthals were an entirely separate species. Recent DNA evidence (4) might suggest that they were not. However, even if Neanderthals were a separate species, speciation without loss of hybrid fertility is possible. Take the example of the Camelidae that originated in Florida. The little ones migrated into South America and into the Andes to become the Llama, Alpaca, Vicuna and Guanaco— phenotypically quite different species, but all of which will produce fertile hybrids when crossbred. The bigger ones migrated up the Rockies, across the Bering Strait, through Mongolia and Northern China—where we find the two-humped Bactrian camel— and into India and from there into Persia and Saudi Arabia—where we find the one-humped Dromedary camel. The spread of the Camelidae from the Americas to the Middle East is an example of phenotypic differentiation in a sexually reproducing species as a result of geographical isolation. Researchers have been able to produce Camas by inseminating female Alpacas with Dromedary semen, although the reciprocal cross gave fetuses, but no live-born young (24,25). - See more at: www.hypothesisjournal.com...

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Humans most likely cam around at around 5 Vedic cycles ago which is around 135,000 years. It's not odd at all. Study's of the pyramids report that layers of rock behind the external case of stone are some 23,000 years old and show heavy signs of erosion cause by water. This erosion stops just above the main entrance to the pyramid so most likely the pyramid was build in a time when floods reached Giza. During the late ice age, water from the Nile was more abundant due to heavier rainfall in ancient weather patterns so Giza would've been a tropical swamp at the moment. It would take a civilization some time to achieve the ability to build such structures. This, in connection with the timeline in the Red pyramid, would place the beginning of the Egyptian civilization at 46,500 years. The Epic of Gilgamesh has direct connections with Noah's Ark too. The water level surge at the end of the ice age would have temporarily covered Syria and created the Persian Gulf, which I suspect is where the Garden of Eden is. Indian civilization is by far oldest. Without the Red Sea and Persian gulf including an extended cast line getting to India on foot from Africa would take about a year-ish. Most of the oldest Indian cities are underwater as they're along the cost. Processed Titanium, Tungsten, and Aluminum alloy are reportedly found floating onto shores along metals that were welded together to form figures. They're also found mostly in the Tibetan Plateau, N India, Mesopotamia and the Middle East.
That's an absolute WTF. Apparently a video of U.S soldiers trying to remove an intact flying machine from a cave in Afghan was released. I tried to find the exact location of it on google earth. Parts of machines were found around the area, many were famous manuals and books in Sanskrit and are kept at a institute in India for translating Sanskrit to Hindi. They're all in a 120 km radius. If anyone has more information on such findings do reply. It's not very closely related to the topic of the thread but it can help give an estimate to how long humans should've been around to possibly achieve this level of complexity. I don't know how such a civilization could fall but I'll look into it. Our species is very abstract though in the way of where we came from. For humans to evolve that quickly from homo erectus to homo sapiens, which don't even use most of their brain, and have many issues such as lower consumption of oxygen but higher generation of CO2 which doesn't exactly help humans perform as well physically as they could. Most other species use all or 70% or more of their brain and their muscles generate less CO2. It is possible that there's another DNA strand that si similar to ours. (Egyptian mythology) Ra came to the planet Earth, observed its conditions and left, only leaving behind two watchers one on the ground and another in the heavens. He then sent his all seeing eye and he dropped down the first 12 humans.

originally posted by: ThePheonix16482
Humans most likely cam around at around 5 Vedic cycles ago which is around 135,000 years. It's not odd at all. Study's of the pyramids report that layers of rock behind the external case of stone are some 23,000 years old and show heavy signs of erosion cause by water. This erosion stops just above the main entrance to the pyramid so most likely the pyramid was build in a time when floods reached Giza.

Howdy ThePhoenix

Source for this claim? Are you mixing up Schoch's idea on erosion of the Sphinx enclosure with the pyramids? Floods would not reach Giza - which is why they built there necropolis there.

This, in connection with the timeline in the Red pyramid, would place the beginning of the Egyptian civilization at 46,500 years.

That's an interesting claim haven't seen that one before - source?

The Epic of Gilgamesh has direct connections with Noah's Ark too. The water level surge at the end of the ice age would have temporarily covered Syria and created the Persian Gulf, which I suspect is where the Garden of Eden is.

Well no that flood (or the biggest one known) came from the E-T flooding

Indian civilization is by far oldest. Without the Red Sea and Persian gulf including an extended cast line getting to India on foot from Africa would take about a year-ish.

Not based on what we know know it was Sumer - do you have another source?

Most of the oldest Indian cities are underwater as they're along the cost. Processed Titanium, Tungsten, and Aluminum alloy are reportedly found floating onto shores along metals that were welded together to form figures. They're also found mostly in the Tibetan Plateau, N India, Mesopotamia and the Middle East.

Source?

That's an absolute WTF. Apparently a video of U.S soldiers trying to remove an intact flying machine from a cave in Afghan was released. I tried to find the exact location of it on google earth. Parts of machines were found around the area, many were famous manuals and books in Sanskrit and are kept at a institute in India for translating Sanskrit to Hindi.

Ah right......all stop there as you went off the Sci-fi fantasy cliff.

Did you think up all of this yourself or is it coming from another source?