Forgotten Human History

originally posted by: Jarocal

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: JamesTB


Lets not forget the 600+ tons Herodian stones

Good point, since we have actual records that indicate who erected these and why.

Harte

Herod lied. Aliens did it and he took the credit...

LOL Shhh His Angels Our So called Aliens ! just like the Rock churches of Lalibela Suposaly made by Aliens ,,
Oops I meant Angel's ... Those Aliens I ment EL-y-ons LOL.. Ill quit while im ahead.. LOL...


Lalibela Ethiopia and the Famous Rock Hewn Churches
travelingepic.com...


Rock churches of Lalibela, the Jerusalem of Ethiopia
From Errol Barnett, CNN
www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Wolfenz

Just a note cultures that have no apparent link will often have common cultural traits due to their having evolved in the same type of environment, ie they will have adapted their technology to work best in that environment . Such adaptations will appear similar despite no contact between the actual groups.

Examples: People who hunt large fish all evolved the use of barbs on harpoons (to hold the fish on), everyone who harvested grain developed sickle like tools and similar crushing techniques. Everyone who hunted boar or similar animals developed a cross bar beneath the head of the spear to prevent a madden animal 'climbing' the spear. Etc.

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: Wolfenz

Just a note cultures that have no apparent link will often have common cultural traits due to their having evolved in the same type of environment, ie they will have adapted their technology to work best in that environment . Such adaptations will appear similar despite no contact between the actual groups.

Examples: People who hunt large fish all evolved the use of barbs on harpoons (to hold the fish on), everyone who harvested grain developed sickle like tools and similar crushing techniques. Everyone who hunted boar or similar animals developed a cross bar beneath the head of the spear to prevent a madden animal 'climbing' the spear. Etc.

LOL OMG .. Disinfo Much !? All you are talking about is the Basics ...

Hate to put it to YA.. it's a little more then that.. Yeah Common as too the Bow and Arrow Or Club..
Or Animal Skins

For Feats Like this Location and Time Apart there was some Connection of Communication unless we had Wireless Medium Sense's ESP.. back then .. From Similar clothing, Tepees Carrying Cradle Boards Close to the same religion Tools same way of Hunting Gathering .. Smoke & Steam Houses aka Rooms!! I Bet if you take a Traditional Cree and placed him in a Traditional SAMI Environment, or Vice Versa both would feel at home...

Im talking about no Link in Race but Close to Identical of Culture Compare the Canadian Northen Cree & Norway Laplander ( SAMI ) Culture Way of Life.. as a Communication of Something just maybe ... In all Trade Routes around the inner Circle of the Arctic is more likely

Like Before , thousands of years ago

Arctic exploration
en.wikipedia.org...

Like NOW !



The Thawing Arctic: Risks and Opportunities

Author: Jonathan Masters, Deputy Editor
December 16, 2013
www.cfr.org...





To bad The SAMI & Native Americans Didn't Advanced ... Enough...

but in times of a Harsh Climate a Bitter Winter I can See why .. they Didnt

Traditional SAMI




Traditional Cree



Native American ? Nope a SAMI


Native American? Nope A SAMI Woman With Baby in a Craddle board

a reply to: Wolfenz

Hi wolfenz,
The reason we see a a similarities between these cultures, is that they share a common cultural ancestry, but it's thousands of years ago.
During the early Holocene, a group of native Americans back migrated into Eurasia, it's through this link that you find MtDna C , a native American haplogroup, in historic burials in nw Europe. It's also through this set of lineages that we find HgC Icelanders.

originally posted by: Wolfenz



LOL OMG .. Disinfo Much !? All you are talking about is the Basics ...

lol so are you saying that barbed harpoons were made by one culture and spread around the world?

Hate to put it to YA.. it's a little more then that.. Yeah Common as too the Bow and Arrow Or Club..
Or Animal Skins

such as?

For Feats Like this Location and Time Apart there was some Connection of Communication unless we had Wireless Medium Sense's ESP.. back then .. From Similar clothing, Tepees Carrying Cradle Boards Close to the same religion Tools same way of Hunting Gathering .. Smoke & Steam Houses aka Rooms!! I Bet if you take a Traditional Cree and placed him in a Traditional SAMI Environment, or Vice Versa both would feel at home...

Im talking about no Link in Race but Close to Identical of Culture Compare the Canadian Northen Cree & Norway Laplander ( SAMI ) Culture Way of Life.. as a Communication of Something just maybe ... In all Trade Routes around the inner Circle of the Arctic is more likely

Can you show any evidence of said 'trade route' and of a trans-Atlantic shipping capability?

Other cultures in NA used cradle boards too. If you are looking for a commonality you might have to look back many thousands of years to the common ancestor of the one of the waves of people who became the native Americans and those that much later became the Sami.

My premise holds; cultures that operate in the same environment tend to come up with the same technological solution to problems.

a reply to: Hanslune
Hey there Hans ,
You have to look back many thousands of years to find the native American common ancestor to these later Eurasian people.

originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: Hanslune
Hey there Hans ,
You have to look back many thousands of years to find the native American common ancestor to these later Eurasian people.

Way, way, way back!

Last common ancestor of the Siberians and Native American...and perhaps the Sami

a reply to: Hanslune
Yes way way way way way back, but that combined with a shared technological culture gives us the broadly related people we see in the historical record. With their sweat lodges , tee pees, linfant carriers and related languages. And don't forget the shared mythological motifs.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I stand corrected. I thought it was the reverse, that while they did reach down near the fingers lakes in central ny but the Hudson Valley from a little north of Albany was clear. Thanks for posting that. I knew that meltwAter erosion gave us the Hudson River but didn't think glaciation reached this far South(I'm currently a little north of Albany). That's what happens when I trust my memory and don't brush up on the facts with some due diligence.

I have found HUGE leafs in peat banks in northern Scotland 30 inches across and hippo and sabre tooth tiger bones have been dug up in London of ancient times swings and round abouts it seems on the planet

Great thread Slayer

a reply to: punkinworks10
a reply to: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Hanslune
Way, way, way back!

Last common ancestor of the Siberians and Native American...and perhaps the Sami

If I may so bold as to jump in here and toss in this relevant little tidbit of info from one of my other older threads.

Ancient People Lived on Bering Strait for Millennia Before Traveling into North America
Early Native Americans Lived on Bering Strait for Millennia Before Traveling into North America

New research has suggested that early Native Americans lived on the Bering Strait land bridge for millennia before traveling into North America.

According to NBC News, anthropologists have proposed a theory that states the early Native Americans settled in Beringia for at least 10,000 years. When the land bridge from Siberia to North America vanished, so did evidence of their time spent there.

Published in the journal Science, three researchers believe they have found new clues to the lost world of Beringia. From Bering Sea sediments, they found fossilized insects, plants and pollen that would suggest Beringia was one of the only Arctic shrub tundra areas, meaning it had wood available for fuel.

"A number of supporting pieces have fallen in place during the last decade,

Please continue the discussions going on here. It's a really interesting read for people, like me, who are interested in history and anthropology but are too lazy to find this kind of information on our own.

Both a great and intruiging OP, as well as fascinating contributions by several members here.

a reply to: 131415

The interglacial periods, or rather the periods of warm versus the periods of cold and ice, are spaced roughly 20,000 years apart.

That's to say, the last ice age came to a stuttering end, (after came 1500 years of the Younger Dryas) around 14,000 - 16,000 years ago...which also means within +/- ~4,000 - 6,000 years, the globe will be once again in a global ice age.

It is cyclic...we don't know why, but we see evidence of it in ice core samples and so on...global warming and global cooling is a natural feature of our world, and always has been.

a reply to: punkinworks10

Absolutely I would say that cradle boards go back to way before there were HSS.

originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: Wolfenz

Hi wolfenz,
The reason we see a a similarities between these cultures, is that they share a common cultural ancestry, but it's thousands of years ago.
During the early Holocene, a group of native Americans back migrated into Eurasia, it's through this link that you find MtDna C , a native American haplogroup, in historic burials in nw Europe. It's also through this set of lineages that we find HgC Icelanders.

Finally someone put it to the Point Im Making ! !
Well There is also Indigenous Natives in Different Tribes Like the SAMI Like the Native Americans in Russia that have Similar Ways of they SAM type of Culture of Living

Right There Must of Been a Common Cultural Ancestry Around the Arctic Circle A ONE type of Cultureal Nomadic Living. It Depends of How The were Crossed You Have the Bering Strait Theory,, but What about the Other way around? Instead of the Russian Alaskan Bridge.. What about Land Skipping as to Norway to Iceland Greenland then to Northern Canada.. Perhaps? Well we Do know about The Norse Men coming to what we call America The Formal Vinland's in the 10th century, Proof along the St Lawrence Seaway as in structures still standing that been claimed from Vermont to Newfoundland of Found Buried Viking Ships

Evidence of Viking Outpost Found in Canada
Sharpeners may be smoking guns in quest for New World's second Viking site
news.nationalgeographic.com...

So from this Finding Just Maybe My Ancestors ( Iroquois Mohawk ) Learned how to build Long Houses.. ?? just like the Vikings aka Norse men... And My Ancestors ( Northern Cree ) Shared a Same type Nomadic Culture of the SAMI aka Laplander's ? It just Like Europe or Asia have Been Westernized ! A.K.A Americanized ! from the Past 100. years

a reply to: Wolfenz

Its easy to check and see if there was ever a land bridge between North America and Europe during the time of man - there wasn't as far as anyone knows and ocean floor shows no sign of there having been one.

So your idea is that the Sami traditions got to the Native Americans by way of the Vikings?

...........If we are going to wildly speculate why not the reverse? (I'm kidding)

Can you show evidence that said cultures changed at that time? circa 1,000 AD

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: Wolfenz



LOL OMG .. Disinfo Much !? All you are talking about is the Basics ...

lol so are you saying that barbed harpoons were made by one culture and spread around the world?

Hate to put it to YA.. it's a little more then that.. Yeah Common as too the Bow and Arrow Or Club..
Or Animal Skins

such as?

For Feats Like this Location and Time Apart there was some Connection of Communication unless we had Wireless Medium Sense's ESP.. back then .. From Similar clothing, Tepees Carrying Cradle Boards Close to the same religion Tools same way of Hunting Gathering .. Smoke & Steam Houses aka Rooms!! I Bet if you take a Traditional Cree and placed him in a Traditional SAMI Environment, or Vice Versa both would feel at home...

Im talking about no Link in Race but Close to Identical of Culture Compare the Canadian Northen Cree & Norway Laplander ( SAMI ) Culture Way of Life.. as a Communication of Something just maybe ... In all Trade Routes around the inner Circle of the Arctic is more likely

Can you show any evidence of said 'trade route' and of a trans-Atlantic shipping capability?

Other cultures in NA used cradle boards too. If you are looking for a commonality you might have to look back many thousands of years to the common ancestor of the one of the waves of people who became the native Americans and those that much later became the Sami.

My premise holds; cultures that operate in the same environment tend to come up with the same technological solution to problems.

1) Yeah Why Not !! Why Not of a Inventive Discovery Passed on from a ONE Source Culture Nomadic Traveler!
from one Group of Families t6o the rest of the Tribe to Another Tribe to another Group and so on over time..

2)I think I pretty much explained that in My Previous Post

3) I did In my Previous Posts if you look.. Here ! HA HA ! Sorry don't have Time nor the Energy to Search around but hey all power to ya!.

Northwest Passage
en.wikipedia.org...

Before the Little Ice Age, Norwegian Vikings sailed as far north and west as Ellesmere Island, Skraeling Island and Ruin Island for hunting expeditions and trading with the Inuit and People of the Dorset culture who already inhabited the region

4) Of Course Other Indigenous Tribes in North America Used Cradle Boards Where are you Refuting that I Don't ?
They also Used these Cradle Board in Indigenous Nomadic Clans in Russia too

The Point Im Making, here Whether North America or South America there is a Main Source of a Connection that Influence the New World from the Old in Some Point of time.. more Likely Ancient Trade Routes..

Most of Our History is Lost Because of Religion ! From Fundamentalist Priests Destroying Ancient Mayan and Aztec Records of their History ! and Zealots Destroying Old Libraries From The Middle east to Egypt ( Library of Alexandria ) and Along they way!

The Unexplained Mysteries of the Our Ancient World Might of been Explained if These Buildings Still Stand !
but unfortunately they have been Destroyed or just Faded way out of existence , and a only a few scraps left to go by because a Counter Culture of a Different religion

List of libraries in the ancient world
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Wolfenz

The only problem with your idea is a lack of any evidence for said 'trade routes', trade routes well leave traces of trade. That is lacking in both NA/SA and Europe. We have numerous examples of effects of trades routes and what cities that do 'international' trade look like; example the Roman trading ports in India. They leave a distinct signature (a mix of cultures).

None such in NA or Europe.

Pumpkinworks and I have been stating that the cultural similarities are due to a much earlier shared culture in Central Asia assisted by living in a similar environment.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: punkinworks10
a reply to: Hanslune
Hey there Hans ,
You have to look back many thousands of years to find the native American common ancestor to these later Eurasian people.

Way, way, way back!

Last common ancestor of the Siberians and Native American...and perhaps the Sami

Just posting to point out here that there was also a Great Flood that occured in the Altai region - very loosely dated to from 38,000 to 10,000 BC. Info.
For those that didn't catch Hans' link, that's where the ancestral lineage of Native Americans (and a great many others - including Levantine and European populations) comes from.

More cultural affinity?

Harte

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: Wolfenz

Its easy to check and see if there was ever a land bridge between North America and Europe during the time of man - there wasn't as far as anyone knows and ocean floor shows no sign of there having been one.

So your idea is that the Sami traditions got to the Native Americans by way of the Vikings?

...........If we are going to wildly speculate why not the reverse? (I'm kidding)

Can you show evidence that said cultures changed at that time? circa 1,000 AD

Trying to put Words in my mouth here ! ??

I said Arctic Circle not just the Land Bridge ! from Siberia to Alaska the Other way to I pointed Out Called island skipping much like the Norse did with Iceland Greenland to Vinland aka North America .. The SAMI Did & Inuits DID as Much of like The Norse DID.. thousand of years ago.


Widely Speculate! Everything is Speculation and conjuncture ! Here NO Historical RECORDS only from physical Evidence thats from the Similar Culture from the Northern Old and New World and Southern Old and New World

but as I said before They did indeed found a Settlement in Newfoundland from the Norsemen! They did fidd Evidence in Vermont, New Hampshire along the The St Lawrence River.. Around at least the 10th century
Show Evidence? SO Prove that Im Wrong.. Its all Guess Work till we find Substantial evidence ...

It Like saying that Antarctic was Once Tropical while Other are saying it Never was !

But Ive Seen what a Admiral of the Navy Turned Explorer that when to Antarctica has Said in a TV Program
called ... LONGINES CHRONOSCOPE

( My First Post )
Rare TV interview with Admiral Richard E Byrd 'There is a secret land mass the size of the US'
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Watch and Listen Word for Word.. it get's interesting around the 4.10 min mark and even More at the 7.00 min mark

LONGINES CHRONOSCOPE WITH RICHARD E. BYRD


So how many times was there Ice Ages been around since Modern Man as of what we are and Look like today ?
as the Estimate of around 20,000 years in every cycle and modern man has been on this Planet called Earth for what now 250,000 plus years ! and we only have left, is just some 6,000 year old historical written evidence ?

and for Admiral Piri Ries Has claimed that his Map was Copied from other thousands of year old Maps , that he claims that it could of been from the Library of Alexandria ???? One of the Main Hubs of Trade Routes !

Pretty Much of what I think was that Antarctica could of been like Greenland at one point of time around its coast
and the Ancient Ocean Travelers Mapped Antarctica's Coast Line... Its Possible.. it the Question of Who they were..

if you want to refute that's fine... but look what is going on in the North Pole Caps as of Now!
Its Fading Away.. Hell... Even a Legit Site of National Geographic is saying it even the Council of Foreign Relations is saying it of Now opportunity's and

Your saying this did happen Before? and we are Seeing LIVE!! as we speak! Ive Posted of what the National Geographic has said and CoFR has said..


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MY GOD they are SUCH Fibbers! Right !?


Scientists Warn of Rising Oceans From Polar Melt

By JUSTIN GILLIS and KENNETH CHANGMAY 12, 2014
www.nytimes.com...



Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice
Answers to questions about the Arctic's shrinking ice cap and its global significance.
www.nrdc.org...



Earth Observatory ( NASA)
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

NSIDC
nsidc.org...

Just maybe the Ancients.. Traveled from the Melting caps long ago.. by Boat Raft, ARK! etc..
Not Just the Bering Strait ...

opps