Pope says evolution doesn't mean there's no God

Source: Pew Research

Global population of Catholicism 1910: 291 million

Population 2010: 1.1 Billion

That's a whole bunch of delusional folks following myth and legend.

a reply to: Ignatian

a reply to: Sabiduria

if i was Intelligent Creator creating, ......creation, I too would include evolution so things move along on their own. It is a very clever, some would say rather intelligent, design, that evolution is

originally posted by: Ignatian
That's a whole bunch of delusional folks following myth and legend.

Couldn't agree more. Delusional is the perfect word, but indoctrinated also applies to the majority.

a reply to: Ignatian

Sorry, I meant to say Constantine. I got my Roman Emperors mixed up. My bad.

The creation of the RCC happened at the Council of Nicaea which was directed under Emperor Constantine.

The church/religion that Jesus started was NOT the RCC. What Jesus started was a cult that died the moment the Roman Catholic Church was born.

originally posted by: Ignatian
Source: Pew Research

Global population of Catholicism 1910: 291 million

Population 2010: 1.1 Billion

That's a whole bunch of delusional folks following myth and legend.

a reply to: Ignatian

It certainly is. By the way you are trying to push an argumentum ad populum fallacy. Just because all those people believe, doesn't make it true. So your statement above is quite literally true. That IS a lot of delusional folks following myth and legend.

This is great, we are always told that the bible is telling the absolute truth and has to be taken for the truth word by word. I once asked a reborn christian if the bible may contain metaphors instead but was told in clear words that the content of the bible are NOT metaphors but the exact truth.

Having said that, christians have absolutely no right to adjust their belief in any way shape or form. [there = over there, and their = ownership, just to clarify some spelling here which drives me nuts because if you can't even check the internet for correct spelling, how am I suppose to believe you studied anything properly; but I digress]

Because if the church changes the meaning of the bible according to new and almost irrefutable scientific findings, then I have to assume that the bible wasn't 100% truth after all. That means there are other things that in the future might be changed that christians seem to believe in at the moment. Therefore I cannot take what they say serious because it is changeable.

Christians, you can't have it both ways. Either you believe word for word the outdated rubbish from an old book or you accept that science can provide acceptable answers which means the bible was wrong.

TL;DR:
- Everything in the bible is 100% truth, as dictated by god himself BUT can change with new scientific findings [contradiction]
- God knows everything BUT found it fit to dictate a load of balloney first until we notice via science. Then redfaced, he's going to admit that "yeah, that was crock what I said, sorry about that, was probably some sort of test...that's right, I tested you..." phew got away with that yet again.

Come on believers, really?

a reply to: dominicus

Heck, God could actually be the universe. The universe would be the sentient thing we always consider to be a God/Goddess/etc & the universe is just acting everything out. As we are all made of energy/stars & everything else is too, we'd be a piece of the universe.

Lucifer, instead of being the devil we know him as today, could have actually been 'The Morning Star' from some ancient civilizations beliefs. The Morning Star (also called Lucifer) was a second Moon to Earth but it eventually crashed, I think they believed it crashed into the Earth (it's been a couple years so forgive me if I'm wrong). Do you know the children's game 'Telephone' ? (You whisper into the ear of someone else a sentence, that sentence gets passed around a circle of kids until it get's back to the person who first came up with the sentence & when the sentence is told aloud, it's never what it started off being. ) Well imagine the same thing happening with second moon, over generations, the retelling of the event slowly changed. Eventually it changed to the point of what Lucifer is now, an angel cast out of heaven by God & is evil.

originally posted by: dominicus
a reply to: Sabiduria

if i was Intelligent Creator creating, ......creation, I too would include evolution so things move along on their own. It is a very clever, some would say rather intelligent, design, that evolution is

there is nothing intelligent about evolution, anymore than there is in a ball rolling down a hill.

originally posted by: CraftBuilder
This is like a couple of years ago when the Catholic church, with good foresight, had to back peddle and say that the bible didn't exclude the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Oh, and when they had to admit that Earth wasn't flat. And when they had to admit Earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Is ancient mythology going to be able to stand up against the exponentially increasing, collective knowledge of how things work in reality?

No were in the bible does it say the earth is flat or that its the center of the universe.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: CraftBuilder
This is like a couple of years ago when the Catholic church, with good foresight, had to back peddle and say that the bible didn't exclude the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. Oh, and when they had to admit that Earth wasn't flat. And when they had to admit Earth wasn't the center of the universe.

Is ancient mythology going to be able to stand up against the exponentially increasing, collective knowledge of how things work in reality?

No were in the bible does it say the earth is flat or that its the center of the universe.

Nowhere did I say it did.

He very well may be correct. The argument of evolution is that living things came from non living things. That is not evolution. That is abiogenesis. As a Christian, I will tell u that most other Christians think that they are both one in the same which is incorrect.

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: Sabiduria

That solution to the fact of evolution has been accepted for many many decades by those theist who wish to have a God and science in their lives

Point of order; darwinian evolution is not a fact. It is our best-fit theory for how things have developed to this point.

Personally I think we have a lot more twists and turns to work out. God is the ultimate biochemist, physicist, and ecologist afterall.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Point of order; darwinian evolution is not a fact. It is our best-fit theory for how things have developed to this point.

Personally I think we have a lot more twists and turns to work out. God is the ultimate biochemist, physicist, and ecologist afterall.

Evolution is one of the most substantially backed theories in all of science. There's a reason the only people that still doubt it are creationists (usually bible literalists). Evolution is not just the best fit for the evidence, it's literally the ONLY theory that even makes a lick of sense when considering the evidence. To suggest that evolution might be wrong is ridiculous at this point, I'm sorry. There isn't even a competing hypothesis at this point. Sure it might end up being incomplete at this point, but denial of evolution today is like denial of gravity. We know gravity exists, just like we know evolution exists, we just don't know everything about it. I don't see anybody challenging that gravity might not be fact, when that is also a scientific theory. Nothing is ever 100% absolute proven in science, but evolution is 99.99999999999999999% proven.