CDC Now Claims Ebola is "Transmittable" by Coughing - Sneezing ??

Is WND a bad site? I've been out of this game longer than I thought. There's some weird stuff here...

Document Shows Feds Fear Airborne Ebola

There has been fear a patient can potentially self-vaporize Ebola through a strong sneeze, projectile vomiting or the flushing of a toilet.

The information was contained in a 33-page report released Oct. 24 by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Department of Defense’s Combat Support Agency for countering weapons of mass destruction.

The agency report states “preliminary studies indicate that Ebola is aerostable in an enclosed controlled system in the dark and can survive for long periods in different liquid media and can also be recovered from plastic and glass surfaces at low temperatures for over 3 weeks.”

The report says the government is seeking technologies for the “rapid disinfection” of Ebola, including an aerosol version of the virus.

“The technology must prove effective against viral contamination either deposited as an aerosol or heavy contaminated combined with body fluids,” reads the solicitation document.

I swear I didn't see this when I posted the toilet thing. But everyone knows toilets spew germs everywhere when flushed.

Is Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Department of Defense’s Combat Support Agency, even a real thing? If so, maybe this explains the military's tougher stance and quarantine rules?

It's a real thing: www.dtra.mil...

Link in the article is to a bid the fed is putting out there. www.fbo.gov...

The CDC has put out conflicting information about the virus being airborne.

In another online Ebola information kit, the CDC asks, “Is Ebola airborne?”

“No,” answers the CDC. “Ebola is not spread through the airborne route nor through water or food.”

“To get Ebola, you have to directly get body fluids (like pee, poop, spit, sweat, vomit, semen, breast milk) from someone who has Ebola in your mouth, nose, eyes or through a break in your skin or through sexual contact,” continues the CDC website.

On another section of its website, however, the CDC is non-committal in its response to whether or not Ebola can be spread by coughing.

The website states:

Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease.

Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone – and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth – the fluids could transmit the disease.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

from a link in that article;

Notice Type:
Combined Synopsis/Solicitation
Synopsis:
Added: Oct 24, 2014 3:36 pm

The purpose of this Broad Agency Announcement (BAA) is to solicit research proposals for Chemical and Biological Defense Program (CBDP), Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) requirements for the CBDP Ebola BAA for the FY2015-2016 program.

DTRA, with industry and government partners, has been working aggressively for the past decade to understand and counter Zaire ebolavirus (EBOV). DTRA's program is currently supporting the accelerated development of a therapeutic through preclinical Investigational New Drug (IND) enabling activities as well as the clinical evaluation for one EBOV vaccine. The program co-developed the rapid field deployable diagnostic systems currently in use in West Africa. The program has also been adapting and improving upon North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) approved and high performance computing methods of modeling EBOV to perform analysis of the current EBOV outbreak. Recognizing that industry may have solutions applicable to the current EBOV outbreak in West Africa, this BAA has been released to ensure that all potential near-term solutions are considered.


Chemical/Biological Technologies Department Ebola Broad Agency Announcement

Hmmm.

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah I've found some interesting stuff on that site before, mainly about the ebola planes and stuff. A lot of it is "in case" but it does still make you go, "Hmm..."

Nvm

originally posted by: jaynkeel
slowly everything everyone else thought was true is dribbling out. And along will come the people that were screaming at us calling us idiots, change their story so they sound like they thought of it. In this recent ebola case I personally am gonna trust the collective or the average person over the certified folks. Which one has more to lose by being wrong? And being over prepared was never a bad thing in my book.

absolutely

and totally...

agree....

a reply to: xuenchen

Did they ever say the opposite? I don't recall hearing any 'breaking' news stories coming from the CDC saying that Ebola was not transmissible by coughing or sneezing? I distinctly remember defending the position that Ebola could be transmitted by coughing or sneezing but neither of which were symptoms AND that you're only contagious if you're showing symptoms!

The current 'outbreak' of Ebola in America consists of one, single person. A person who went to Africa and came back. I have heard absolutely zero reports of anyone in the United States, or elsewhere, who has recently contracted Ebola and has not been to Africa.

This whole thing is f*king bulls*t fear mongering. I'm sure some of you are anxiously awaiting the Ebola virus to infect everything and everyone and kill millions of people so you can sit back and say, 'I told you so!' That's not going to happen. If anything, millions of people are going to get the flu. Where are the threads about that? More and more people in America are getting the flu and thousands of them are going to die before next summer because of it. Where are your threads about them?

a reply to: links234

If it's all BS, then why did the CDC put out this new page yesterday?

Transfusion.Nervous.Norvus

a reply to: links234

The current 'outbreak' of Ebola in America consists of one, single person. A person who went to Africa and came back. I have heard absolutely zero reports of anyone in the United States, or elsewhere, who has recently contracted Ebola and has not been to Africa.

Hello? Have you been living under a rock?

Have you not heard of Nina Pham or Amber Vinson?

So we have had 4 cases in America ncluding Duncan, and now Dr. Spencer.

Ohio and NYC are currently under Ebola-watch though the news would have you believ all is just peachy.

It's not time to bunker in, but having eyes open and ears to the ground is not an irrational response by any means.

a reply to: xuenchen

Because people are irrationally afraid and the government has to appear to be doing 'something.' There's hardly any need to do anything but people just want the government to do 'something.'

It's called Security Theater.

Security theater is the practice of investing in countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually achieve it.

ETA:
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

You're absolutely right. As soon as I hit 'submit' I remembered that. However, neither one of them has Ebola anymore. There's one confirmed case in the United States as I type this. One.

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: xuenchen

Because people are irrationally afraid and the government has to appear to be doing 'something.' There's hardly any need to do anything but people just want the government to do 'something.'

It's called Security Theater.

Security theater is the practice of investing in countermeasures intended to provide the feeling of improved security while doing little or nothing to actually achieve it.

ETA:
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

You're absolutely right. As soon as I hit 'submit' I remembered that. However, neither one of them has Ebola anymore. There's one confirmed case in the United States as I type this. One.

Well in that case, I'm confident Obama is doing everything possible.








To further his political agenda.

a reply to: links234

There's one confirmed case in the United States as I type this. One.

You absolutely sure of that?

Then who is this?

And whatever happened to this person?

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

You absolutely sure of that?

Yes.

Then who is this?

Nurse's discharge leaves one Ebola case in U.S., though larger battle continues

And whatever happened to this person?

You mean the person who never had Ebola in the first place? Perhaps never even existed? I don't know, I don't care. I'm sure Nina Pham is a lovely person but I think she's single. No, I don't think her boyfriend died of Ebola either.

ETA:
Open eyes and ears, remember?

a reply to: links234

Perhaps never even existed? I don't know, I don't care. I'm sure Nina Pham is a lovely person but I think she's single.

Man, you might want to quit while you're not so far behind:

Also Monday, Alcon Laboratories confirmed that the second patient who has been placed in isolation under watch for Ebola works for the Fort Worth-based company.

The worker, who was not identified by name, is an “associate” who was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas on Sunday. The person has been identified by others as nurse Pham’s boyfriend.

Dallas nurse receives transfusion from Ebola survivor Dr. Kent Brantly

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Under 'watch' and actually having Ebola aren't the same. You're really, really too afraid of this and need to relax. I won't be holding my breath for the news that he doesn't have Ebola.

a reply to: xuenchen

Who ever denied that it was droplet spread? Thats why literally the entire time the ppe has been droplet precautions?

Do you have reference to a cdc or other public health offical statement saying that ebola is not droplet spread? I only ask because i work in public health and never once have i ever read anything to the contrary that it cant be spread through drop so i dont see this as a revelation in any way?

Are you guys serious?

From day one, everyone including the CDC has said Ebola is transmitted via body fluids. That includes the body fluids you eject when you cough and sneeze. Why do you think you are taught to cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze? So you don't eject your nasty body fluids onto other people and surfaces and spread whatever illness made you cough and sneeze to begin with.

This is common knowledge... are you people dumb?

originally posted by: jaynkeel
slowly everything everyone else thought was true is dribbling out. And along will come the people that were screaming at us calling us idiots, change their story so they sound like they thought of it. In this recent ebola case I personally am gonna trust the collective or the average person over the certified folks. Which one has more to lose by being wrong? And being over prepared was never a bad thing in my book.

Ebola is out of control in west Africa with close to 5,000 deaths. The area of infection is inhabited by farmers who don't have close contact with a lot of people. That should tell you how it is spread.

a reply to: xuenchen

Nothing there is new...that is already known...

That is why there is a 3-6 ft recommended space if you aren't properly geared.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

You can pretty much disregard everything from WND. They've tricked more than a few people intentionally.

a reply to: links234

You are wrong/ From the very beginning I have shown that coughing and sneezing are indeed listed as SECONDARY symptoms usually brought on by secondary infections due to a weakened immune system. Also, everyone is prone to sneezing or coughing even when healthy.

This has been listed on the CDC site since the beginning, and I have continuously shown a distinction between airborne and droplet transmission. The OP has no new information, and that information is already contained in different areas on the CDC's site. It looks like they just condensed it into one paper.