Jesus vs. Yahweh - The Future of Mankind Hangs in the Balance

a reply to: graphuto

Are you seriously even gonna go there...

I've been studying for over 11 years now... I've only known her for just over a year

You're a pretty cruel individual to even suggest that...

but the more I speak to you the more I see your personality...

a reply to: arpgme

No one here, that I'm aware of, is living from hatred man. I'm just resting my faith on Jesus Christ for my salvation. I also happen to believe the Bible, because without it, what would we know of God?

a reply to: Akragon

It wasn't my intention to be cruel, that's just what I assumed from the way you worded your post. You don't know anything about me except that I believe the Bible, and take it all pretty seriously, and literally, when it isn't obviously metaphorical, and stand by it. And maybe you believe that "my belief of the Bible is wrong" but none of that has anything to do with me personally. I come here to stand by the Word of God. That's it. It's the only reason I frequent this forum.

Even so, the last part of my post still stands :

Just let her believe on Jesus Christ. I'm sure she's still a good/decent person, right? What does it matter to you? She must be doing what you want from humanity, or you wouldn't be with her...

a reply to: graphuto

By the way you say "I've been following her down this rabbit hole" leads me to believe that all the research and study and spirituality that you've done has been for the express purpose of trying to lead your girlfriend to hell.

He said he was following her down the rabbit hole , not trying to lead her down it. That means that she was already heading in that direction but he still stays with her hoping that she wakes up and sees The Truth.

I'm not sure how you got the idea from his post that he's trying one leading her to hell.

No one here, that I'm aware of, is living from hatred man. I'm just resting my faith on Jesus Christ for my salvation.

Well if you believe that God has a second nature which is not of love, and you are looking up to this 'idea' of God, then you are living against Love (living from hatred).

a reply to: arpgme

I already believe he is a false prophet, how much of a stretch is that, really? Why would I not get that idea?

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: graphuto


Well if you believe that God has a second nature which is not of love, and you are looking up to this 'idea' of God, then you are living from hatred.

Says the guy who doesn't believe or know anything about the Bible.

a reply to: graphuto

Well you seem to have a serious issue with assuming...

You know when you assume you make an ASS out of U not ME

Im not going to waste my time disgusting that situation with you... in any case im most definitely not trying to lead her away from Jesus... Just the rest of it...

mixing garbage with treasure is just tragic...

a reply to: graphuto

I already believe he is a false prophet, how much of a stretch is that, really? Why would I not get that idea?

This really goes to show how the mind can trick people when they already have a negative belief about someone.

Says the guy who doesn't believe or know anything about the Bible.

Says the guy who knows God is Love, to the one who apparently doesn't. Just live your life by wrath/jealousy or whatever god you look up to, you'll learn The Truth sooner or later but choosing Love NOW will help you avoid a lot of drama in life. Wrath and jealousy leads nowhere but to violence, war, and destruction.

a reply to: arpgme

You're so hung up on those two verses that you'd just throw away the rest of the Bible. Ridiculous.

a reply to: graphuto

Like I said:

Wrath and jealousy leads nowhere but to violence, war, and destruction.

a reply to: Akragon

... Except the people of the OT did not know God...

I'm not sure what you mean by that but if you take the Old Testament as being a story, according to the story, they did know God.

So the story is about a bunch of people who did know God and they had various ways of dealing with that knowledge.
You may question the truth of the premise of the story, against some objective truth that you personally decided on, but it is
"truth" as the story says it is, in order to make it a story, even if you have to accept it simply as a convention within a work of pure fiction.

a reply to: jmdewey60

Even if we consider it a story... the main character of this story is not like the one that the main character in Part two describes in any aspect....

a reply to: gorsestar

Hey man, sorry for the late reply.

Why do you keep insisting that I am proposing aliens? I never actually once mentioned any alien aspect.

Sitchen's story mostly revolves around the addition of gold-mining as the purpose of an alien interaction with Earth, and claims this was facilitated by the use of crashing a planet into ours with a controlled methodology - resulting in the moon as their orbital base.

There is no proof for his claims other than a mixture of archaeological finds (gold mines dating back to as far as 35,000 BC I believe) and the fact that gold was the most abundant metal in human possession (during the period of the 7 metals of antiquity) when it shouldn't have been by all logic.

He also uses the Mesopotamian stories of Tiamat and the 'mingling of waters' to suggest that the ancients were speaking about this catastrophic collision of planets which resulted in our moon, the Earth's axial shift, the resultant flood and the arrival of the 'Gods'.

Who knows, maybe he is right? He did lay his life to the cause. I do not take leaps of faith like that however, I assure you that my friend.

All I said was that it may make sense for some of these stories to have originated from a 'physical interaction'. Let me elaborate on this for you.

If we analyse all the stories in their whole, and compile as many overlapping concepts as we can, taking the ones with most frequency and magnitude to denote a stronger source, we can begin to actually paint a very approximate picture of the core concepts.

It seems to always break down to this: High Gods, Lesser Gods, Humans. Not only that, but each of these 3 facets have individual stories about themselves as well as different stories depending on which of the other 2 facets are included.

On the contrary of taking these 3 facets to be spawned from an alien interaction of supreme command, Earth command and us - perhaps the high Gods facet has always originated from the natural divines (nature, astronomy, events of the laws of the universe and so forth) and the lesser Gods from an EARTH interaction.

Lets remember that right now, on Earth, there are untouched tribes that are living as if it was still 10,000 BC. They have absolutely no idea of our technology or progression and anything they observe in the skies due to us would be perceived as supernatural and described in a way that would seem absurd to the unaware.

That is simply just a fact. We can readily observe that the conditions on Earth can allow one civilization to be vastly superior to another, despite evolving from the same 'crop' so to say.

Is it then so hard to extrapolate that, and imagine at some point in our modern civilisation's inception (Mesopotamia ~ arguably 3,000 BC) the same situation existed on Earth?

We know for a fact the Sumerians mentioned Dilmun as a mythical-like home of the 'Gods'. Dilmun is now suspected to have been found as ruins, in the gulf area, dating back to approx. at least 6,000 BC. Evidence shows flooding had affected the area. Hmm... Floods, disappearances of past civilisations, the start of the our 'modern crop'?

But no, let's go further. We know the last ice age had a brief interrupt around 14,000 BC to 10,000 BC, causing a temporary rise in water levels. We also know that domestication and agriculture were first formed and developed shortly after this period.

Prior to this unexpected ice-age interruption, mainstream science has theorised as many as FOUR different yet independantly intelligent humanoid races on the planet. They all disappear after the ice-age interruption, apart from us. We later tell this story in the Epic and depict Enlil handing us the plow.

There is no doubt there's a weird coincidence between stories of other humanoids dying out due to catastrophic events, humans surviving and beginning a new age of agriculture, and the beginnings of mankind's own 'kingship' told from 3,000 BC to 2014 AD, and actual historical events that we have traced back to approximately 14,000 to 6,000 BC?

Then we have stories like Atlantis, pinpointed to around 10,000 BC. We know Neanderthals and Cro-magnon interacted and mixed with us. They were on average significantly taller than us and I believe estimated on average to be around 7 foot tall. Considering ancient humans were probably around the low 5 ft range, they would have appeared as giants to us.

We also speculate that these other humanoids were intelligent and in the case of the Neanderthals we've theorised that they were sailing the seas successfully well before us. Sailing the seas takes a bloody significant amount of intelligence.

I'm not suggesting there was a civilization anywhere close to our level of technological advancement, but it is clear that different groups of different humanoids have excelled at different things over different timespans on this Earth.

I was merely suggesting that perhaps a large part of these stories may also have origin in these simple facts.

I find the Sumerian stories the most interesting because they are the earliest we can meaningfully decipher, and therefore it is easy to see the influences at least they have had on all the resulting stories afterwards, all the way up to the Bible and Quran.

The Sumerian King's List is especially interesting. Why the precession-like reigns for the first 8 Kings? Why explain time and space in 6 and 10, which has lasted to this day?

Why was the 8th King's reign not in accordance with the preceding kings and why did a flood follow this? (SKL says 'then the flood swept over). Why did the reigns begin to shorten after the flood eventually becoming realistic human-like reigning times for a King?

What were they talking about? What did they mean by 'kingship descended from Heaven'? Why do the dates take us back to approx. 220,000 BC - the same time anatomically-modern humans arised?

Have we been observing the stars and recording them for that long? Is that what the SKL suggests? Surely not. Interactions with past Earth humanoids? Makes no sense. Aliens from another planet? Where's the evidence?

So... what is it on about then? The SKL cannot be disregarded as rambling because it also contains historically verified kings and has been found consistently throughout that period of time. It was an extremely serious document to the early Mesopotamian civilisations. I really don't know lol.

Honestly - I don't think we'll ever know the actual truth about everything that's happened on Earth in the last 1 million years let alone what our stories originate from. We can speculate and apply Occams Razor all we want but the truth is a very different matter to an educated guess.

To take it back to the start, our archaeological history actually suggests that we were MINING GOLD at least 30,000 years prior to farming, despite having the materials required already. Some argue that number is closer to 100,000 years.

To me, this is actually a clear indicator - not that we were visited by aliens - but that we are simply looking at only a few jigsaw pieces out of potentially millions. That's why it's always wise to keep all the cards on the table for as long as you can.

Sorry for the essay - just throwing some thoughts out there.