Ebola patient is in NY

originally posted by: tranquilone666
a reply to: Anyafaj

And a quick question, how do we know his temperature with updates on a consistent basis? Arent HIPPA laws in place that would stop this from happening? Not that I have a problem with it, I think we as a public seserve to know.

I think in this case, it's the politicians releasing the info. And I think the "lesser" temperature is to "not panic" us. My quotes. I think they honestly think we buy their crap, but I, for one, don't buy a single line of it!

originally posted by: MrLimpet
a reply to: MarkJS

Hospital: Quarantined fiancée of NYC Ebola patient Craig Spencer released from hospital quarantine; now quarantined until Nov. 19 in Harlem apartment she shares with Spencer - @ABC

They reported Thursday, they didn't "see" any signs of Ebola at the apartment.

For some reason this comes to mind when I heard that report.

Nice. Little people manifesting. There's some kernel of truth embedded in the Gulliver's Travels story, you know.

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After shaking my head and blinking my eyes...
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It seems that they were just looking for vomit on the walls, diarrhea all over the bathroom(s) or drips of blood on the bed and/or on the floors. So if those three didn't manifest.. all is well??

I'm pretty sure that they carted off a bunch of stuff. The fiancée was probably pretty surprised when she got back home.

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: nukedog

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Bicent76
a reply to: OkieDokie
he may have been feeling jet lag but I hear ya...

I am pretty sure he was feeling ebola. Mainly because he has it.

You are post 666.

Back on topic; this doctor knew what he was doing. "I'm going to jog three miles in a public park, go bowling and eat at a restaurant after I start exhibiting symptoms in the most densely packed urban area in America," says the guy that just came back from west Africa almost precisely after his in initial exposure time frame.

People thought Duncan was bad. This guy takes the cake. Oh and that semen. Lol. Just like pham's boyfriend this girl has it. Where is pham's boyfriend? Who knows....

I don't know where he is, but she didn't seem too concerned. Ms. Pham met the President today.

They may have told her, "Do not bring it up!" Who knows, maybe Secret Service was there to tackle her if she even started to say the word. "Hey! Has anyone seen my boy....*oof!*"

J/K of course! No jumping down my throat please! LOL

originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
Bellevue staffers call-in ‘sick’ after Ebola patient arrives

An extraordinary number of Bellevue Hospital staffers called in sick on Friday rather than treat the city’s first Ebola patient — and those who showed up were terrified to enter his isolation chamber, sources told The Post.

“The nurses on the floor are miserable with a ‘why me?’ attitude, scared to death and overworked because all their co-workers called out sick,” one source said.

“One nurse even went as far as to pretend she was having a stroke to get out of working there, but once they cleared her in the ER they sent her back up,” the source added.

Source

Considering they know what happened to Nurse Pham and Nurse Vinson, in some ways, can you blame them? Makes you wonder what kind of PPE they're using. If it the very same kind as Nina and Amber, and some conditions are similar, such as how to dispose waste and whatnot, I would fake a stroke and call in sick as well.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

I can understand their fear considering Nurse Pham and Nurse Amber. Question is, are they working under the same, or similar horrendous conditions that put their health at risk? If so, I can see their point. If not, stop whining and get to work.

Nurse fakes a stroke to get out of work

Powerful ultraviolet lights may have been used along with a certain kind of spray to make chemical reactions with bodily fluids visibly light up under UV.

So there is every possibility that they indeed were looking for Ebola as counter intuitive as that
sounds in laymans terms.


Not mentioning the fact that UV radiation kills Ebola. So by the time they were done looking they had probably killed it all anyway... I havent read anywhere explicitly that they were using UV lights to look for Ebola in Dr Spencers apartment, but given that they said they didnt "see" anymore traces, it seems probable that thats what they were doing.

ETA:

Ultraviolet light destroys the integrity of the RNA that viruses are made of...
...Ebola, just like most other viruses, are quickly destroyed by UV light.

www.naturalnews.com... a reply to: MarkJS

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: babybunnies
Reports are coming in that an "extraordinary number" of staff are calling in sick to the New York hospital to avoid having to treat this Ebola patient.

Horrible morals and ethics from a heathcare system that is constantly touted as "the best in the world".

Any worker that called in sick that can't produce a doctor's note (one NOT written by a doctor at the same hospital) should be fired on the basis of their incredibly poor morals and ethics.

If you're working in a job that requires you to look after sick people, you can't pick and choose which sick people you'd like to look after.

They are kind of like kryptonite because of vague protocols and lack of proper PPE equipment.

Goes back to what the one doctor said about considering not treating Ebola patients. Don't know exactly what 'not treating' includes, or doesn't include.

Sorry, don't remember where I read that about possibly not treating. If anyone has the link, it would be appreciated.

If this a repeat, ignore it. I'm a little behind on catching up and still on page 42, so fHospitals weigh how far to treat Ebola.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: jadedANDcynical
I think it's a little weird that Pham mentioned her dog in her release speech and not her boyfriend, but this may just very well be that her boyfriend opted and asked for privacy after his name/condition was released initially. I guess doggy didn't get the option

And I still think the family of Duncan are scared of blowback.

Overall though, all things considered, yes...fishy.

I'm wondering if she was given a speech to memorize. (The party line, if you will.) Also, of course, noting the highlights in the hair to note good health to promote just how harmless Ebola is. I'm betting they had a salon person come in the night before the press to give her a makeover to make her a "healthy" looking as possible to not freak out the people. (Maybe they noticed talk from us Americans about how gaunt Brantly is. Could be they sent him some Creatine to bulk him up before he's prodded out before the public again???

originally posted by: MrLimpet
Who didn't see this coming?

Health Care Worker Quarantined Under Ebola Watch at NJ Hospital Criticizes Process

The health care worker who was quarantined at a New Jersey hospital because she had contact with Ebola patients in West Africa is sharply criticizing the way her case has been handled

"This is not a situation I would wish on anyone, and I am scared for those who will follow me," Hickox said of her quarantine. "I am scared about how health care workers will be treated at airports when they declare that they have been fighting Ebola in West Africa. I am scared that, like me, they will arrive and see a frenzy of disorganization, fear and, most frightening, quarantine. ... The U.S. must treat returning health care workers with dignity and humanity."

more here

The news is complaining, Doctors Without Borders is complaining, (Their acting like she's been kidnapped) Some reports say she's already shown signs of a fever. Apparently she's friends with one contributor on CNN and she tweeted how horrible it is. Poor thing, she went to Africa to save lives, may possibly have contracted a deadly disease that's very hard to contract according to our government and now she's forced to stay at a hospital for 21 days to make sure she doesn't give us this very hard o contract deadly disease.

Now I was in the hospital for 3 weeks and I had cable TV, blankets whenever I wanted, whatever food I wanted, etc..., Man, it's like a hotel with room service and no tipping. Hard knock life man. Hard knock life. Considering I had to lay flat on my back for 3 weeks straight and couldn't even roll over for fear of paralysis, I'll take her 21 day stay over mine any day of the week. Though I do wish I got to keep my cool prism glasses I was forced to wear to see the TV or books I wanted to read. These were very cool when I was a kid. LOL

(Still can't believe so many "professionals" are witching and whining over possibly having to have to have a 21 day vacation.)



Prism glasses for those who've never seen them

a reply to: Anyafaj

I dont know about in the US but i know at several of the hospitals that i work across they have an unwritten rule that no one will be forced to work on an ebola patient.. basically it will be a team created from people who volunteer. All the volunteers so far are highly experienced medical, infectious disease specialists and nurses (very senior nurses) there is no one that has so far put their hand up that has less then 20 years experience.

Nurses deciding not to show up to work because they are scared should be fired for neglecting their duties, that like a police office ignoring a call for help. The problem comes because their is currently a generation of health care professionals both senior and junior who have entered into the sector at a time when there is little to no risk of any danger to themselves in the work they do, it was similar after 911 terrorist attack in which first responders had to for the first time in their career evaluate potential risk, whether it be perceived or real.

No one is going to force them into a situation they dont want to be and by calling in sick they are not only adding to public perception of fear and risk they are short staffing hospitals that are not just treating an ebola patietn but hundred of other patients that the nurse could be tending to without any risk of infection. This is a huge issue in Africa where there are some areas in which more people are dying due to non related EVD than they are because of EVD simply because the hospital staff have abandoned their post. Even worse is reports that some groups have been using the tragedy as leverage for pay rises.

This same thing happened during SARS we had staff saying they werent going to come in unless we provided them a hotel to stay in so they dont infect their family.. its just selfishness based on misinformation and people in the health sector should know better.

There are definite risks in treating an EVD patient but unless you are one of the people in the room directly involved then there is no reason for such panic.

a reply to: MrLimpet

Check out People Mag online. His neighbor describes how they cleaned it Friday and how there's no tape on the door and how he cleaned with wipes on his own.

UPDATE: Guess who Spencer is getting a blood transfusion from?

New York Ebola Patient Craig Spencer Receives Blood From Writebol

Writebol being the second aid worker flown back from Africa to Emory.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
UPDATE: Guess who Spencer is getting a blood transfusion from?



New York Ebola Patient Craig Spencer Receives Blood From Writebol



Writebol being the second aid worker flown back from Africa to Emory.

Wow...It does make you wonder if someone is reading this thread. Maybe they'll catch on that we're questioning how healthy all these survivors look. Will Craig Spencer look haggard now when he's Ebola-free?

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I am glad theses survivors are being so generous and helping their fellow citizens have a chance at surviving the Ebola by donating their blood which is now capable of fighting off the disease. Such an awesome example of how to help others in need.

If I had to pick one positive thing about this whole Ebola mess... this is the winner !


leolady

a reply to: leolady

Yes.

And thank goodness this NYC doc was Writebol's blood type for a change because, to me, Brantly isn't looking that well from all that bleeding and poking.

originally posted by: butcherguy
This scary story in the Dail y kos did

This scenario is not too far fetched.  There are already very small amounts of the virus escaping our hospitals and quarantines.  Ebola victim Thomas Duncan spent two days in a Dallas apartment sweating and vomiting before being admitted to a hospital.  This highly infectious waste all entered the Dallas sewers and landfills.  An NBC film crew and Duncan's family are currently being quarantined, yet they are still depositing waste into public sewer systems.  The potential risks are obvious in allowing this sewage to come into contact with sewer rodents before eventually being purified in wastewater treatment plants.  Thankfully Ebola can't survive long in pure water, however the virus can survive for several days in body fluids such as feces, urine, and semen.iv

not help in calming my fears at all.
There appears tp be legitimate concerns about ebola finding a suitable vector in American wildlife, so that it will keep popping up for us... Forever.

According to everything I've researched (because this hit me as a concern as soon as Duncan was announced), there is an infinitesimal to virtually nil chance of this happening as far as the waste into the public sewer systems due to a whole host of reasons that I'll be glad to list if you want me to. Suffice it to say, for this response, it's most likely not something we should be very concerned about.

HOWEVER, your point about the FAUNA of this country potentially becoming a vector is an extremely valid concern that hadn't even crossed my mind. A whole new population, and a whole new continent of various populations/species and, therefore, genome structures, is available to this virus now.

In the words of someone ....

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THAT is a scary thought.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
UPDATE: Guess who Spencer is getting a blood transfusion from?

New York Ebola Patient Craig Spencer Receives Blood From Writebol

Writebol being the second aid worker flown back from Africa to Emory.

Guess he's not A+ then. (I believe it was discussed earlier here, or in another thread that she's B+) And we get our wish that poor Brantly gets a break!

a reply to: Valhall

Yes, I agree with your post. I am not concerned about the sewer systems so much. I concerned about bodily fluids in our ecosystem being consumed by rodents, especially vomit.
I have been looking for information about how ebola transfers between animals, but have found very little so far. How does the virus spread between bats in Africa, for instance? I can see how Canids would get it from eating a dead bat, but if one rat over here would be infected, what are the chances that it would spread from rat to rat?

a reply to: butcherguy

VERY good question. I'm going to go research.

I think the bats are just carriers though.

Like as in these certain bats just naturally have it so the virus flares up in humans after a human messes with their guano or eats one and gets sick.

a reply to: intrptr

Do you mind if I ask where the number of possible contacts is from (source)?