Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

originally posted by: Flesh699
In the US court of law a deathbed confession is regarded more trust worthy than evidence.

I did not know that, that would really lend credence to the other deathbed confessions we have heard over the years from ex govt agents. Good post.

OG

originally posted by: Parthin
That one statement about working together with the Russians and Chinese....wow! [/post]

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing?

However, would you let your enemies manufacture your computer chips on your defense systems which are suppose to protect you from them? This has occurred until fairly recent which can question the validity of our relationship with them.

The U.S. always seeks to maintain a technological advantage over less-than friendly countries.

Define over less-than friendly country? Is it one that is fighting among itself or one that is attacking other countries or intefering in foreign affairs?

Indeed, that is the best reason of all for non-disclosure of access to alien tech. a reply to: [post=18575324]interupt42

Just because you are working together doesn't mean you wouldn't wan't to still keep the upper hand.

I would also like to add the photos in the video clearly show bruising and dehydration....all post mortem effects that you could expect to see from trauma... I havent seen an alien prop doll sold with its entire chest bruised up like that, unless this 78 year old man broke into the Roswell museum, stole their prop, modified the prop to look different, took photos of it with an old camera, then placed it back in the museum without being caught, then artificially aged the photos...then took a video presenting these hoaxed photos weeks before his impending death....yea that's definitely what happened (not)

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

that's a pretty broad generalization you are making

However, to your benefit: a later poster in this thread has found the link to this fellows credentials in a round-about way by referring to a law-suit. so i am inclined to assign some credibility to the videos now as a result of that. Your statements actually detract from believing in the videos. You should revise your statement until you have gathered evidence.

now let's return to the statement you made that has probably turned alot of people from the thread that might have otherwise helped you:

you are claiming that the last 150 years was "Aliens" that requires extra ordinary evidence to make people believe it. you haven't provided any such thing. The videos are borderline evidence as they are mostly testimonial - there are no reproducable experiments or "take a look at xyz, and look at it's history to see what i mean". The argument that "oh fighter pilots don't know how a fighter plane works" is bunk because this man is not a fighter pilot, he is an engineer designing the tools and technologies that the fighter pilots use, he should have a very VERY good understanding of what evidence is and how to convey it.

remember "extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence". I am assuming based on my years of science and math history i have been reading and learning in school and on my own (ie references to reproducable experiments and real evidence) that humans discovered/invented most things on their own.

That said, I am agnostic as believing something too strongly; as doing so is as bad as believing something that is incorrect, even if it isn't.

I'd like very much to believe Aliens tech is here somehow and we are learning from it. because we need some shortcuts in tech growth until we have a way of collectively lumping our memories together or living really really long (like x10 our lifespan) we are met with the horrible problem of losing 50 years of secret learning that hasn't been fully knowledge transferred everytime one of these "black project" scientists dies of old age.

a reply to: Answer


I didn't want to post this. However.

What is to say that those photographs are not just another example of this:-

www.pinterest.com...

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
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Somehow you mistake an intelligent debate with "clever" remarks meant to refute any argument to have you stop for a few moments and CONSIDER that the famous interviews and oictures might be lies.

Throwing ridicule at valid concerns does not lend credibility to your arguments.
Rather than that it makes people stop debating with you.
But think not of it as any validation of your arguments that you get stars and people stop reguting your nonsensical posts. Think of it as if some people applaud a loudmoth and others refrain from talking to them.

That's rich from the guy who posted a picture of a doll that doesn't match the photo and claimed "here it is, the pictures are BS!" without actually comparing the two figures side-by-side.

If you offer a valid concern, it will be met with valid consideration.

Am I mistaken here?
Did I not use the picture from the video?
The very picture held by the very person we are debating?

I'll read back and see if you are confusing posters or I am wrong.
See you later....

You obviously didn't compare the photos side by side. Look back in the thread and find any of the screenshots that show the photo clearly.

Now compare that photo to your dolls. Nothing is the same. The shape and size of the head, the eyes, the mouth area, the chin area... all different. To claim otherwise is outright lying.

As I said, the only similarity is the crease in the middle of the head and even that isn't identical.

Sorry mate.
You nearly lost me there. Untill I realized that you confuse me with someone concerned with the prop doll mentioned in earlier. I'm not concerned with that. I only relayed my feelings about the very first picture in the very first post being that of a rubber doll.
The only time I bothered with the prop theory was when I commented that a prop might be made to look like the real deal or that a prop might depict a fantasy.

Anyway.
Pointing out the creases is just what I wanted really.
Ive watched and rewatched the interviews on several occasions and am still at the same conclusion.
A well rehearsed hoax.

I'd never really noticed the shoulders before, so I thought I'd consider what the inconsistency might be caused by.

So there you are.
Eod

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

IF an answer was to come forth and it was on video, which it probably would be, how would we -mankind- find out about it?

By your logic if a video is on youtube its bullshiite
It wouldnt be broadcast on news channels, TPTB wouldnt allow that
Same with newspapers and any mainstream media

So how else would mankind see this video?

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Flesh699
In the US court of law a deathbed confession is regarded more trust worthy than evidence.

I did not know that, that would really lend credence to the other deathbed confessions we have heard over the years from ex govt agents. Good post.

OG

thats good to know

actually its quite exciting as that generation of people are going to be popping off over the next 10 years and we'll hopefully get some corroborating stories and potentially some real evidence or hints to some reproducable experiment that has been kept on the down low

a reply to: Davood

Are you ok there buddy?

Nowhere do I claim that the "last 150 years were due to aliens"

I said that the alien explanation would account for the technology boom experienced in the last 150 yrs.

You then go on to state that I have not provided anything to back that up? Back what up? I have made no claims, I simply stated that the ET theory would fit.

Seriously you need to read more carefully before posting, something most of your peers should do as well..

OG

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Answer


I didn't want to post this. However.

What is to say that those photographs are not just another example of this:-

www.pinterest.com...

Wow a clear downward spiral indeed. Anyone can see how you are just grasping at straws at this point..

(you should have listened to your instinct and refrained from posting such hogwash)

OG

originally posted by: Davood

he is an engineer designing the tools and technologies that the fighter pilots use, he should have a very VERY good understanding of what evidence is and how to convey it.

I have to disagree. Have you heard of "compartmentalization"?

It has also been a very long time since he worked on these projects. I have a tough time explaining concepts I learned 10 years ago to a layman. It's been 50 or so years and he's suffered a lot of mental deterioration in that time.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

a reply to: OrionsGem

I'm going to watch these in bed .. then dig about a bit.

Judgement reserved!

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Answer


I didn't want to post this. However.

What is to say that those photographs are not just another example of this:-

www.pinterest.com...

In your efforts to debunk, it would be wise not to go so far out of reality that your claims become harder to swallow than the original claim itself.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

Your posts have devolved into childish and sarcastic one line remarks. You should really try to offer some sort of relevant intelligent responses...otherwise why even bother??

OG

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
[

Somehow you mistake an intelligent debate with "clever" remarks meant to refute any argument to have you stop for a few moments and CONSIDER that the famous interviews and oictures might be lies.

Throwing ridicule at valid concerns does not lend credibility to your arguments.
Rather than that it makes people stop debating with you.
But think not of it as any validation of your arguments that you get stars and people stop reguting your nonsensical posts. Think of it as if some people applaud a loudmoth and others refrain from talking to them.

That's rich from the guy who posted a picture of a doll that doesn't match the photo and claimed "here it is, the pictures are BS!" without actually comparing the two figures side-by-side.

If you offer a valid concern, it will be met with valid consideration.

Am I mistaken here?
Did I not use the picture from the video?
The very picture held by the very person we are debating?

I'll read back and see if you are confusing posters or I am wrong.
See you later....

You obviously didn't compare the photos side by side. Look back in the thread and find any of the screenshots that show the photo clearly.

Now compare that photo to your dolls. Nothing is the same. The shape and size of the head, the eyes, the mouth area, the chin area... all different. To claim otherwise is outright lying.

As I said, the only similarity is the crease in the middle of the head and even that isn't identical.

Sorry mate.
You nearly lost me there. Untill I realized that you confuse me with someone concerned with the prop doll mentioned in earlier. I'm not concerned with that. I only relayed my feelings about the very first picture in the very first post being that of a rubber doll.
The only time I bothered with the prop theory was when I commented that a prop might be made to look like the real deal or that a prop might depict a fantasy.

Anyway.
Pointing out the creases is just what I wanted really.
Ive watched and rewatched the interviews on several occasions and am still at the same conclusion.
A well rehearsed hoax.

I'd never really noticed the shoulders before, so I thought I'd consider what the inconsistency might be caused by.

So there you are.
Eod

You're right, my mistake. I did quote you and offer food for thought on page 8, however.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

Your posts have devolved into childish and sarcastic one line remarks. You should really try to offer some sort of relevant intelligent responses...otherwise why even bother??

OG

He's just trying to annoy and goad at this point, hence the constant smiley faces. Best to ignore.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

Your posts have devolved into childish and sarcastic one line remarks. You should really try to offer some sort of relevant intelligent responses...otherwise why even bother??

OG

There is no intelligent response when a BS subject like this is being discussed.

Treat it for what it is. Total nonsense.

Here you go


The top is your alleged alien, the bottom two are of models you can buy off the internet. As you can see, they are ALL very similar.
If this is the corpse of a dead humanoid, why is the mouth firmly shut? Is it molded as in a prop?

I worked in the funeral business for a few years (Funeral Director's Assistant), and immediately after death, the body's muscles relax completely, your mouth falls open, eyes droop, etc. Before you say rigor mortis or something like that, it takes a body about 6 hours for full rigor, then it goes back to being flaccid again.
If you want to say well, the body was in rigor and the mouth was in that position when it set in, you would be incorrect. Like I said, everything relaxes, including your mandibular muscles, and rigor would 'freeze' the muscles in that open position. That includes the neck muscles, they wouldnt have been able to turn the head as easily as it does in the picture.

Next are the eyes. The eyes look 'too shiny' to be natural. To me, they look molded, and where are the eyelids?
Like I said, the prop could have been painted over to look like bruising, its not hard to find how-to videos on youtube

I feel its faked, It cries out FAKE to me. YOU will believe what you want, but if you cant admit it can be possibly fake, then I dont know what to say