Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

originally posted by: alldaylong


There is no intelligent response when a BS subject like this is being discussed.

Treat it for what it is. Total nonsense.

Then why are you still posting?

a reply to: Answer

its been 50 or so years? he is 78 years old? so was he in his early 20s when he did everything then stopped for 50 years? When did he start and stop working on this ?

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: alldaylong


There is no intelligent response when a BS subject like this is being discussed.

Treat it for what it is. Total nonsense.

Then why are you still posting?

To make my point that it is total rubbish.

Or can only the " easily lead " post on here ?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem

Lets have a quick recap

Man says he is dying. Only he knows that. There is no proof.
Said he worked at Area 51. No proof.
Calls himself by a name. No proof he is that person
Breaks sensational story on " You Tube " Need i say more.
Someone come up with some real evidence this is true and i will change my opinion.
I won't hold my breath.

At least your questions seem reasonable to me. We know that A Lockheed Martin Senior Scientist did work for lockheed if the patients are real, but there are no photos I can find of Boyd to match him with his work or his death.
www.tributes.com... I can't get this to come up on a www.legacy.com... search...I will keep searching.

There is a lot on this page
www.rexresearch.com...

Professionally he preferred to introduce himself as a Senior Scientist, yet this understated the accomplishments of a man who contributed so much to the defense and security of our nation. Bushman's career spanned over forty years and included work with defense contractors Hughes Aircraft, General Dynamics, Texas Instruments, and Lockheed Martin.

OK here you are photo matched to the career at lockheed. If it does not show up put in his name, this place is valid as I am a volunteer for them.I think this is really good proof to connect the man to the career.
www.findagrave.com...

originally posted by: HomerinNC
Here you go

The top is your alleged alien, the bottom two are of models you can buy off the internet. As you can see, they are ALL very similar.
If this is the corpse of a dead humanoid, why is the mouth firmly shut? Is it molded as in a prop?

I worked in the funeral business for a few years (Funeral Director's Assistant), and immediately after death, the body's muscles relax completely, your mouth falls open, eyes droop, etc. Before you say rigor mortis or something like that, it takes a body about 6 hours for full rigor, then it goes back to being flaccid again.
If you want to say well, the body was in rigor and the mouth was in that position when it set in, you would be incorrect. Like I said, everything relaxes, including your mandibular muscles, and rigor would 'freeze' the muscles in that open position. That includes the neck muscles, they wouldnt have been able to turn the head as easily as it does in the picture.

Next are the eyes. The eyes look 'too shiny' to be natural. To me, they look molded, and where are the eyelids?
Like I said, the prop could have been painted over to look like bruising, its not hard to find how-to videos on youtube

I feel its faked, It cries out FAKE to me. YOU will believe what you want, but if you cant admit it can be possibly fake, then I dont know what to say

Why do you keep posting photos of props that don't match the photo and claiming them as proof that it's not real? When you find a prop that actually matches the photo, you'll have some basis to debunk the photo. As it stands, you keep falling short. Perhaps the question you should be asking yourself is why do so many alien props looks so similar to this proposed photo of a real alien?

At no point have I said it can't possibly be fake. What I won't admit is that a weak attempt to debunk the photo holds up under scrutiny.

The rest of your information applies your understanding of human beings to a non-human entity. Silly argument.

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem


Mankind have been asking the question for hundreds of years......... Are We Alone In The Universe ?

And the answer comes from a You Tube Vid.

Get out of here

if a video is on youtube its bullshiite

That sums it up perfectly.

Top man.

Your posts have devolved into childish and sarcastic one line remarks. You should really try to offer some sort of relevant intelligent responses...otherwise why even bother??

OG

He's just trying to annoy and goad at this point, hence the constant smiley faces. Best to ignore.

I just dont get one thing why keep doing it? he is also ignoring everyone of my replies, clearly because he has no logical answers to offer, just more of the same hogwash. This poster has not made ANY point whatsoever contrary to his flawed beliefs...so sad!

OG

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem

Lets have a quick recap

Man says he is dying. Only he knows that. There is no proof.

Said he worked at Area 51. No proof.

Calls himself by a name. No proof he is that person

Breaks sensational story on " You Tube " Need i say more.


Someone come up with some real evidence this is true and i will change my opinion.

I won't hold my breath.

At least your questions seem reasonable to me. We know that A Lockheed Martin Senior Scientist did work for lockheed if the patients are real, but there are no photos I can find of Boyd to match him with his work or his death.
www.tributes.com... I can't get this to come up on a www.legacy.com... search...I will keep searching.

There is a lot on this page
www.rexresearch.com...

Thank you for re posting the points i made earlier.

As yet the " Believers" have not come back with any tangible answers to what i have pointed out.

Until they can, i call BS on this topic.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: alldaylong


There is no intelligent response when a BS subject like this is being discussed.

Treat it for what it is. Total nonsense.

Then why are you still posting?

To make my point that it is total rubbish.

Or can only the " easily lead " post on here ?

You've stated now that this is a "BS subject" this clearly shows you are simply biased and will grasp at any straws to fit your belief system. While I welcome your opinions, you shouldn't try to force them on others...its just not right!

Just to reiterate, you have made NO POINTS.

You just keep repeating that the OP is "nonsense" like a broken record while offering NO INTELLIGENT ARGUMENT.

But of-course you will ignore this post like you have my last 5 replies, this is very telling to the rest of us who see whats happening.

OG

a reply to: HomerinNC

That is pretty d@mn close. The question is was the model made before or after the original OP video ?




The top is your alleged alien, the bottom two are of models you can buy off the internet. As you can see, they are ALL very similar.

originally posted by: Davood
a reply to: Answer

its been 50 or so years? he is 78 years old? so was he in his early 20s when he did everything then stopped for 50 years? When did he start and stop working on this ?

Yes, let's argue semantics.

Regardless when he started and stopped working on these projects, it's safe to say he hasn't been working on black projects recently. I don't think they keep too many geriatrics working at Lockheed.

My eternal apologies for not being more specific.

a reply to: OrionsGem

Why can't the answer the points i have made ? Just read back a few posts.

Maybe it's because you can't answer them.

a reply to: OrionsGem

He sounds pretty legit to me. An old man like that has no reason to make-up a story like that, let alone have in his possession photographs to back him up. I'm sure you'll hear from some skeptics claiming this to be a bogus video or something on that line. Nice find! s&f

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Char-Lee

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem

Lets have a quick recap

Man says he is dying. Only he knows that. There is no proof.

Said he worked at Area 51. No proof.

Calls himself by a name. No proof he is that person

Breaks sensational story on " You Tube " Need i say more.


Someone come up with some real evidence this is true and i will change my opinion.

I won't hold my breath.

At least your questions seem reasonable to me. We know that A Lockheed Martin Senior Scientist did work for lockheed if the patients are real, but there are no photos I can find of Boyd to match him with his work or his death.
www.tributes.com... I can't get this to come up on a www.legacy.com... search...I will keep searching.

There is a lot on this page
www.rexresearch.com...

Thank you for re posting the points i made earlier.

As yet the " Believers" have not come back with any tangible answers to what i have pointed out.

Until they can, i call BS on this topic.

Already posted:

Eat your heart out.

a reply to: Answer

At no point have I said it can't possibly be fake. What I won't admit is that a weak attempt to debunk the photo holds up under scrutiny.

We must also include in these thoughts... that these models are not from the days those old photos were taken but visa versa...so which came first. I don't know how old any of you are but take a look at the photo container it is clearly an old kind and worn, and the photos they are either old or faked...now I have shown this man really is the Lockheed scientists.

So we must also ask ourselves, why would a man with his credentials show fake photos and ruin his reputation for a lasting memory before he died he has a living wife and children? The only way I believe these could be fake is if he was lied to and given fake ones long ago.
www.findagrave.com...

a reply to: Answer

Okay, I showed my theory on why I think faked, since youre refuting my evidence, show me how you think its NOT a fake.
You cant just say its not fake and thats it, that really makes you look as ignorant as youre sounding.
Provide some LEGITIMATE theories on why you think this corpse is real.
I showed how it COULD be faked.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem

Why can't the answer the points i have made ? Just read back a few posts.

Maybe it's because you can't answer them.

Im sorry but I keep getting the impression that im having a conversation with a 5 yr old....You cant offer anything but

" i know you are but what am I" type of posts and clearly you have lost all your credibility.

I know Im not the only one who sees this...you really have nothing to contribute other than repeatedly calling "BS" on the OP while offering ABSOLUTELY NO CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT as to why its BS.


Given your child-like responses, at this point I feel I am being forced to simply ignore your posts...Sorry but your leaving me with no other choices..

OG

originally posted by: HomerinNC
a reply to: Answer

Okay, I showed my theory on why I think faked, since youre refuting my evidence, show me how you think its NOT a fake.
You cant just say its not fake and thats it, that really makes you look as ignorant as youre sounding.
Provide some LEGITIMATE theories on why you think this corpse is real.
I showed how it COULD be faked.

What are you on about?

You've showed dolls that don't match the photo and claimed that as evidence that it's fake. You've presented incredibly weak evidence.

I've already stated reasons it could possibly be genuine... the story, the man's (now verified) background, the age of the photos, the positioning of the head, etc.

I'll point it out again for you since you like to put words into my mouth: at no point have I said this is absolutely a real photo and it can't possibly be fake. I will, however, shoot down any incredibly weak attempts to debunk a photo.

If you're going to say X is fake because of Z, then Z should be legitimate. Anything else is dishonest and pointless.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: OrionsGem

Why can't the answer the points i have made ? Just read back a few posts.

Maybe it's because you can't answer them.

Im sorry but I keep getting the impression that im having a conversation with a 5 yr old....You cant offer anything but

" i know you are but what am I" type of posts and clearly you have lost all your credibility.

I know Im not the only one who sees this...you really have nothing to contribute other than repeatedly calling "BS" on the OP while offering ABSOLUTELY NO CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT as to why its BS.


Given your child-like responses, at this point I feel I am being forced to simply ignore your posts...Sorry but your leaving me with no other choices..

OG

Let me make a serious point.

In The U.S. around 70% of the population believe in U.F.O's and Aliens.

Here in the U.K. it's around 30%

There is a ready made audience for this kind of nonsense in The U.S. and people play on it.

Want me to believe E.T. has visited Earth ( if they exist that is ) ? Well when i see one or many of them close up then i will. Until then it's just as real as fairies.

I'm out. Ta ta.

a reply to: Answer

A classic tactic...if someone disproves the debunking attempts, then that person has ruled out all possible options, is a blind believer, and thinks the case is 100% real..When in reality the poster is just pointing out how ridiculous the debunker sounds...

OG

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: Answer

At no point have I said it can't possibly be fake. What I won't admit is that a weak attempt to debunk the photo holds up under scrutiny.

We must also include in these thoughts... that these models are not from the days those old photos were taken but visa versa...so which came first. I don't know how old any of you are but take a look at the photo container it is clearly an old kind and worn, and the photos they are either old or faked...now I have shown this man really is the Lockheed scientists.

So we must also ask ourselves, why would a man with his credentials show fake photos and ruin his reputation for a lasting memory before he died he has a living wife and children? The only way I believe these could be fake is if he was lied to and given fake ones long ago.
www.findagrave.com...

That's one of the points I've been trying to make.

IF the photos are as old as they seem to be and IF it's a fake, then the craftsmanship used to construct the alien prop was incredible... FAR better than what was used in Hollywood at the time. The effort that went into the fake alien was extensive and would have required a master of special effects that was even better than those working on movies.

The only other explanations are that the photos are artificially aged and this former Lockheed employee with 28 patents, most still classified, is perpetuating a hoax OR the story is real. Everything else is static.