No, marijuana use doesn’t lower your IQ

a reply to: Korg Trinity

THC doesn't last long in the body at all. You are thinking about THC-COOH which is metabolite. Just because a metabolite is in your system DOESN'T mean you are still under the effects of what it originally was.

THC is the active ingredient in marijuana and the chemical responsible for the high. However, urine tests detect a different chemical called THC-COOH.

THC-COOH is a metabolite of THC. It is produced when the liver breaks down THC and stays in the body for much longer.

The most common cutoff level for THC-COOH used by drug screening companies is 50 ng/mL. Less common cutoff levels are 20 ng/mL and 100 ng/mL.

a reply to: Logarock

Some people would consider that expanding your thinking. Many people pass over new ideas because thinking about them seem mundane or boring, but upon looking at them under the effects of marijuana, they may discover a new way to solve a problem, a different way things react, or some other profound thing. Just because something seems mundane or boring to you, doesn't mean it isn't worth thinking about.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Korg Trinity

THC doesn't last long in the body at all. You are thinking about THC-COOH which is metabolite. Just because a metabolite is in your system DOESN'T mean you are still under the effects of what it originally was.

THC is the active ingredient in marijuana and the chemical responsible for the high. However, urine tests detect a different chemical called THC-COOH.

THC-COOH is a metabolite of THC. It is produced when the liver breaks down THC and stays in the body for much longer.

The most common cutoff level for THC-COOH used by drug screening companies is 50 ng/mL. Less common cutoff levels are 20 ng/mL and 100 ng/mL.

REally.... Then I guess the NHS has it wrong then....

How long does cannabis stay in the body after smoking?

It depends on how often and how much cannabis a person smokes, as well as how it's taken (either smoked or ingested (eaten)). It can even vary in each person from day to day.

THC (the active chemical in marijuana) is stored in the fat cells, and takes longer than any other common drug to fully clear the body.

Research shows that regular heavy cannabis users get rid of the drug from the body differently than light occasional users do. For example:

people who use cannabis less frequently seem to get rid of the drug quicker people who use lots of cannabis regularly store the drug as body fat. It is then released slowly over a longer period In general, the less cannabis that’s smoked, and the less often it’s smoked, the quicker it leaves the body.

One-off or occasional users are more likely to get rid of all cannabis from their system within a few days.

For regular heavy smokers, it takes an average of two weeks to one month for it to leave their system, although it can be longer. Long-term users may still have cannabis in their body two to three months after they last smoked it.

Long-term use can make you depressed and less motivated.

Korg.

a reply to: Krazysh0t


Ok son did I say mundane and boring? And now that you have said it do by all means demonstrate someone that discovered some grate new idea while fired up.

a reply to: Korg Trinity

That article is talking about the THC-COOH metabolite. Apparently the article isn't that detailed, but it certainly IS talking about the metabolite. Do you just REFUSE to become educated about this drug or something?

11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC

11-COOH-THC is not psychoactive itself, but has a long half-life in the body of up to several days (or even weeks in very heavy users),[4][5][6] making it the main metabolite tested for when blood or urine testing for cannabis use. More selective tests are able to distinguish between 11-OH-THC and 11-COOH-THC, which can help determine how recently cannabis was consumed;[7][8] if only 11-COOH-THC is present then the cannabis was used some time ago and any impairment in cognitive ability or motor function will have dissipated, whereas if both 11-OH-THC and 11-COOH-THC are present then the cannabis was consumed more recently and motor impairment may still be present.

Some jurisdictions where cannabis use is decriminalized or permitted under some circumstances use such tests when determining whether drivers were legally intoxicated and therefore unfit to drive, with the comparative levels of THC, 11-OH-THC and 11-COOH-THC being used to derive a "blood cannabis level" analogous to the blood alcohol level used in prosecuting impaired drivers.[9] On the other hand in jurisdictions where cannabis is completely illegal, any detectable levels of 11-COOH-THC may be deemed to constitute driving while intoxicated, even though this approach has been criticized as tantamount to prohibition of "driving whilst being a recent user of cannabis" regardless of the presence or absence of any actual impairment that might impact on driving performance.

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Ok son did I say mundane and boring? And now that you have said it do by all means demonstrate someone that discovered some grate new idea while fired up.

Carl Sagan Extols the Virtues of Cannabis (1969)

Carl Sagan — he was an astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist and great popularizer of science. He was also, it turns out, a lifelong smoker of cannabis. In 1999, and just three years after Sagan’s death, Keay Davidson published Carl Sagan: A Life, a biography that made headlines for revealing how Sagan wrote an essay in 1969, using the pseudonym “Mr. X,” where he outlined the personal benefits of smoking marijuana. The essay eventually appeared in the 1971 book Reconsidering Marijuana. 35 years old at the time, Sagan explained how the drug heightened his sensory experience, gave him an appreciation for the spiritual realm (“a feeling of communion with my surroundings, both animate and inanimate”), enhanced his enjoyment of sex, and allowed him to achieve some “devastating” insights into scientific, creative and particularly social questions. The drug also gave him a newfound respect for art and music. He wrote:

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Huh? My "superior" tone? How on earth can you infer tone from a written statement that, at no point, makes any attempt to appear "superior" - I was simply pointing out the facts of the situation.

Anyhow, here is a "superior" tone for you:

Your cherry picked study - the only one which seems to support you statement - it has been rubbished by other biologists and doctors because of flawed methodology and misrepresentation of the results.

In any case, the study makes no mention of brain damage, but rather changes in brain chemistry - an entirely different concept. Even the quote you've plucked from that article makes no mention of damage to the brain being caused by Cannabis, but rather simply states any damage to that part of the brain can lead to behavioural issues.

It then goes on to mention that it noted "abnormalities" among some of the small test group they had, which could not be proven to Cannabis and it even states further study is required. It seems you have misunderstood what was said.

So, instead of getting all shirty with me and trying to mount your high horse about who's got the bigger IQ (and I am puzzled why you have taken umbrage at that), perhaps you should take a closer look at your sources first. All you've done here is proven you have trouble with reading comprehension, which begs the question, perhaps you do have a lower IQ than me

How's that for "superior"?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Quite - I offer myself as an example, again. I have been tested multiple times in a variety of different ways over my life and I always come in the 98th percentile.
16 years and counting of what would be called "heavy use" and no noticeable affect on my cognitive abilities. If it had, I wouldn't be able to do the job I do, much less consistently top out all the tests I have been put through.

And I would stress that I am not sitting here trying to act "superior" by telling you all this, but simply trying to prove a point. I don't go round advertising the fact I score well, but if someone is going to make a claim like "cannabis lowers IQ", then I am a bloody good example that it does not.

I have a sneaking suspicion of bias in these studies (and it then begs the question who is funding them) which claim it "lowers IQ" in that I reckon they deliberately pick some dopey, stereotypical stoner waster and hold him up as an example. The low sample count in many of them is hardly a thorough study anyway. It's like selecting the drunken hobo from the shop doorway and holding him up as concrete evidence that Alcohol makes you homeless.

originally posted by: Korg Trinity
Really??

Do you know how long THC lasts in the body?

Korg.

See, now you're just showing how little you know about this subject!

THC is metabolised quite quickly, but the metabolites remain in body tissue for several weeks. However, they are not psychoactive. The effects of THC will wear off in a matter of hours, if not sooner. One can have a smoke at lunchtime and be fighting fit come the evening ready for your night shift

a reply to: Korg Trinity

Oh please, that is a dumbed down beyond belief article written by a Government agency. It is quite clearly wrong in that it states THC is stored in fat cells - it is the metabolites that are. But it is aimed at the average Joe who wouldn't know the difference.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Korg Trinity

Oh please, that is a dumbed down beyond belief article written by a Government agency. It is quite clearly wrong in that it states THC is stored in fat cells - it is the metabolites that are. But it is aimed at the average Joe who wouldn't know the difference.

Of course you would say that wouldn't you...

Go ahead... smoke your head off... I couldn't care less if you want to dull your intellect.

I'm done attempting to show you the simple logic you clearly cannot grasp it!

KORG!

a reply to: Korg Trinity

So, no intellectual retort, just a juvenile response akin to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "La La La"...

Righto... And apparently it's me that has a "dulled intellect".....

Admit it, you're wrong and don't actually know what you're talking about. It's ok!

a reply to: Korg Trinity

I do have to wonder - if this your attitude to Cannabis, I assume you have the same level of indignation towards Alcohol and don't ever go down to the pub, or go out on the lash with your mates or anything?

Because if you did, that would be quite hypocritical, no?

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: 3u40r15m
Why not legalize heroine while were at it. Drugs are drugs...

What a moronic statement - caffeine is a "drug", alcohol is a "drug", nicotine is a "drug", aspirin is a "drug".

EDIT: In fact, the UK Parliament recently produced a list of "drugs" (legal and not) according to their physical and societal harm. Alcohol was second, behind heroin and tobacco wasn't far behind. Cannabis came in at 14th, just behind some legal steroids.

And, as stated, Heroin can kill you easily if you take too much or have a bad batch. It is impossible to OD on Cannabis and the only "harm" is from smoking it. It is a total misnomer that they claim it causes metal issues - in the UK the latest figures show the total amount of people with "cannabis related mental issues" is in the hundreds.

How many users of Alcohol have dependency issues, associated physical and mental problems? 1.6 million at the last count. In fact, Alcoholics outnumber ALL drug addicts by 4 to 1

How many die each year from Tobacco? 114,000 out of 10 million users... But perfectly legal.

How many people die each year from Alcohol abuse?40,000 out of an estimated 40 million users.... But perfectly legal.

How many die each year from Cannabis use? 1 person out of 3 million regular users and that is probably from doing something stupid rather than from the Cannabis itself

Yeah well those things aren't illegal. And to burst your little bubble, plenty of people die from marijuana, home invasions, drug deals gone bad, being too high while driving and crashing, or hitting someone. So I guess I kind of made your statement look a bit moronic..... Weed gets people high, forgetful and lazy. Yes it makes people a little dumber. FACT.

a reply to: crazyewok

You obviously haven't had very good weed (Assuming you smoke).. Weed is just as toxic as alcohol. It's just the consumption and toleration levels of alcohol. I know alot of functional meth smokers, DA's, attorneys, mailmen, you would never even guess they touched that stuff, why don't we legalize that too?

originally posted by: 3u40r15m

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: 3u40r15m
Why not legalize heroine while were at it. Drugs are drugs...

What a moronic statement - caffeine is a "drug", alcohol is a "drug", nicotine is a "drug", aspirin is a "drug".

EDIT: In fact, the UK Parliament recently produced a list of "drugs" (legal and not) according to their physical and societal harm. Alcohol was second, behind heroin and tobacco wasn't far behind. Cannabis came in at 14th, just behind some legal steroids.

And, as stated, Heroin can kill you easily if you take too much or have a bad batch. It is impossible to OD on Cannabis and the only "harm" is from smoking it. It is a total misnomer that they claim it causes metal issues - in the UK the latest figures show the total amount of people with "cannabis related mental issues" is in the hundreds.

How many users of Alcohol have dependency issues, associated physical and mental problems? 1.6 million at the last count. In fact, Alcoholics outnumber ALL drug addicts by 4 to 1

How many die each year from Tobacco? 114,000 out of 10 million users... But perfectly legal.

How many people die each year from Alcohol abuse?40,000 out of an estimated 40 million users.... But perfectly legal.

How many die each year from Cannabis use? 1 person out of 3 million regular users and that is probably from doing something stupid rather than from the Cannabis itself

Yeah well those things aren't illegal. And to burst your little bubble, plenty of people die from marijuana, home invasions, drug deals gone bad, being too high while driving and crashing, or hitting someone. So I guess I kind of made your statement look a bit moronic..... Weed gets people high, forgetful and lazy. Yes it makes people a little dumber. FACT.

You start off with "yeah well" and end with "FACT".

Epic fail and a ridiculous argument.