Gaddafi was murdered three years ago. This is Libya now

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: lambros56

Ah someone who doesnt completely buy into the MSM. I applaud your research.

I don't think many have watched the video in my post as I only know how to leave the link....
but Dennis Kucinich clearly points out that the UK and France should have been questioned on there war games plan because of the similarities between their war games and what happened in Libya four or five months later.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

should have cut ties with the middle East madmen along time ago. Let them keep their oil We have plenty, cut all aide to countries that hate U.S. They don't grow anything but opium and violence .Leave the whole area to pound sand alone with each other clawing who is the top terrorist . But Alas They will try to storm Israel . Then The God of Israel will Stand.
. www.godlikeproductions.com...

a reply to: lambros56

Indeed aswell as the rebels who had nato ammunition ?

And did any one see the 1 million citizens gather in tripoli to protest nato bombing ?
I'll try to find link later.

a reply to: daaskapital

I wonder how long until Americans alive today will be charged severely for major international crimes against humanity.

a reply to: JimTSpock

The Libyan people did not over-throw Gaddafi, AQ did and the US armed them to do it.

The Libyan people are responsible for the aftermath? .... Typical.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Actually Gadaffi was a CIA operative and he's still alive. The whole thing was staged. There is no 'aftermath' there was no war.

If Gaddafi really was the messiah most people here are making him out to be, I'd want to scream bloody murder. The problem is I don't melt emotionally from watching a video of a guy wearing a hat waving like a cowboy at people as his small cohort of vehicles passes through. With the music in hte background, implying a peaceful man, and the joyful scene of people applauding him on the streets, suggestive watchers react emotionally. The issue is I don't. My brain isn't wired that way.

I've read enough about Gaddafi to seriously doubt this man was peaceful and only wanted to help his people. Was the stuff I read disinformation? How am I to know? I'm led to believe Obama is our president, but I've never seen him. Maybe all the world is a stage? How am I to know?

I made a thread about Gaddafi here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Am I right or wrong for not jumping onto the bandwagon and supporting Gaddafi, like so many others here seemed to? I've no real idea. I based my information on the wiki and on the news. I'm not a perfect person. As I stated already, if Gaddafi really was the good guy then I would take all I've said back and support him. But i've yet to see the convincing evidence. It seems for every good thing people say he did, there're also equally bad things.

I'm not a time traveler. I don't have a crystal ball. I don't have access classified information. I wish I did so I could really know who Gaddafi trully was. I don't want a good guy smeared.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. In Libya as in many other middle east countries there are a lot of different factions, militia groups and extremist groups. What we see in Libya now are some of these groups fighting for control and many of them played a part in defeating Gaddafi's forces. They are mainly Libyan groups consisting of Libyan people so Libyan people overthrew Gaddafi. I think it was clear I said the Libyan people are now responsible for governing their own country which they are trying to do. In my opinion the rival factions will be fighting each other for some time to come and a stable government may be difficult to achieve. In a way I think this was inevitable. Gaddafi and his regime couldn't last forever. There was some US and western intervention against Gaddafi, probably a bit of payback for Lockerbie and other things. But they just helped a bit I think he still would've been finished in the Arab spring.

a reply to: jonnywhite

A lot of people on ATS hate Obama and Bush after 6 and 8 years. Can you imagine having the same leader for almost 42 years like Gadaffi? I think most people would absolutely hate him. I know I would.

a reply to: jonnywhite

I`d watched the news and read the papers over the years about Gaddafi and believed
what was said about him.
By the time the trouble in Libya started I`d woken up to the lies and propaganda the
mainstream had been feeding us and like others at the time, knew that this time the west
were setting him up with the lies of him killing his own. It was obvious that he wasn`t playing ball......
so he had to go.
He was no Angel...but how many leaders on this planet are ?

The west tried it again last year with Assad but couldn't complete it.......maybe because of the Russians but
now coincidentally Isis have oil refineries in Syria which had to be bombed, so as long as they're based
in Iraq and Syria the west can continue to do whatever they want.

I posted a video earlier in the thread that proves the UK and France had planned war games with Libya 5 months before it all kicked off.
In fact here's the link to the video

youtu.be...

originally posted by: JimTSpock
a reply to: MALBOSIA

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. In Libya as in many other middle east countries there are a lot of different factions, militia groups and extremist groups. What we see in Libya now are some of these groups fighting for control and many of them played a part in defeating Gaddafi's forces. They are mainly Libyan groups consisting of Libyan people so Libyan people overthrew Gaddafi. I think it was clear I said the Libyan people are now responsible for governing their own country which they are trying to do. In my opinion the rival factions will be fighting each other for some time to come and a stable government may be difficult to achieve. In a way I think this was inevitable. Gaddafi and his regime couldn't last forever. There was some US and western intervention against Gaddafi, probably a bit of payback for Lockerbie and other things. But they just helped a bit I think he still would've been finished in the Arab spring.

I think I was clearer. The Libyan people did NOT over-throw Gadaffi, AQ did and the US armed them through private contractors who even went there to show AQ how to use them.

Stop spreading BS.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

That is a huge oversimplification, there is no one all powerful group in Libya if there was they would've defeated Gaddafi and taken control. So who's fighting in Libya now AQ vs AQ. No. I don't think you know much about anything just spewing simple one liners which sound good but are far from the whole picture. And who formed the new Libyan government not AQ. In reality there are a lot of different groups vying for control. But you say it's all BS fine.

uk.reuters.com...

Rival governments
Interim authorities have been steadily losing ground to armed rebels and the Fajr Libya alliance, which has seized Tripoli airport after weeks of fierce fighting with nationalist rivals.

Libya has been embroiled for weeks of political infighting and violence that has killed and wounded dozens on all sides.
The country has slid into chaos since Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown and killed three years ago, with interim authorities confronting powerful armed groups, which fought to oust the veteran dictator.

www.aljazeera.com...

Notice it says overthrown by armed groups. Plural, many groups. Now fighting each other. Most of them Libyan not foreign fighters. So the US gave out some weapons to fight Gaddafi big deal. The NATO airstrikes probably had more of an effect.

Libya's armed groups fighting Gaddafi

Khalifa Haftar
re-formed to help fight in the uprising against Gaddafi in 2011.

Regular forces
Libya’s small army and air force have mostly defected to Haftar. Libya’s armed forces fought on both Gaddafi and the rebel side in the 2011 uprising.

Zintan
Zintan's militias are the second most powerful armed force in Libya, after Misrata, and based in the Nafusa mountains

LROR

Ansar al-Sharia
Based in eastern Libya and dedicated to establishing a caliphate in Libya, it differs from Libya Shield in refusing to recognise the constitutional government, issuing a statement opposing Haftar

Misrata
Misrata’s 235 militia brigades are collectively the most powerful single force in Libya, fighting through a six-month siege during the uprising.

www.aljazeera.com...

And they didn't give weapons to AQ. It was the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group which has ties to AQ but are primarily Libyan. As you can see the reality is far more complex than your simplistic BS.

Do I think the US and NATO should have intervened in Libya, probably not. Do I think Gaddafi would have survived if there was no intervention, probably not. That's my opinion. BS maybe but this site is full of BS.

Libya's day of rage protests against dictator Gaddafi's rule. Feb 17 2011.

February 17, 2011
'Day of Rage'

Seen by many as the start of the revolution, Libya's "Day of Rage" brings thousands of people into the streets to protest against Gaddafi's rule. Major demonstrations take place in Benghazi, Ajdabiya, Darnah and Zintan, among others. Gaddafi forces respond by firing live ammunition at the crowds, allegedly killing more than a dozen demonstrators. Protests continue to escalate after February 17, with widespread reports that Gaddafi has hired mercenaries to supplement his security forces and suppress the demonstrations.

www.aljazeera.com...

Ibrahim Jibreel, a Libyan opposition member based in Barcelona, told Al Jazeera, "I think the demonstrations are going to be rather serious.

"Libyan people have been oppressed for more than 41 years and they see to the west and to the east of them, people have been able to rise and to change their fate."

State media reported there were pro-Gaddafi protests too across the country, with people chanting "We sacrifice our blood and souls for you, our leader!" and "We are a generation built by Muammar and anyone who opposes it will be destroyed!"

However, Jibreel said, "There are few who come out in support of the dictator in Libya and they are not going to succeed.

www.aljazeera.com...



There is a lot of video footage of the day of rage on youtube, this is the tip of the iceberg. Note the treatment of the green book a symbol of Gaddafi representing his book on political views. I doubt this is all fake.

Ripped From Hillary’s Emails: French Plot to Overthrow Gaddafi and Help Itself to Libya’s Oil

The Congressional harrying of former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over emails concerning the 2012 death of an American Ambassador and three staff members in Benghazi, Libya, has become a sort of running joke, with Republicans claiming “cover-up” and Democrats dismissing the whole matter as nothing more than election year politics. But there is indeed a story embedded in the emails, one that is deeply damning of American and French actions in the Libyan civil war, from secretly funding the revolt against Muammar Gaddafi, to the willingness to use journalism as a cover for covert action.

The latest round of emails came to light June 22 in a fit of Republican pique over Clinton’s prevarications concerning whether she solicited intelligence from her advisor, journalist and former aide to President Bill Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal. If most newspaper readers rolled their eyes at this point and decided to check out the ball scores, one can hardly blame them.

But that would be a big mistake.

While the emails do raise questions about Hillary Clinton’s veracity, the real story is how French intelligence plotted to overthrow the Libyan leader in order to claim a hefty slice of Libya’s oil production and “favorable consideration” for French businesses.

The courier in this cynical undertaking was journalist and right-wing philosopher Bernard Henri-Levy, a man who has yet to see a civil war that he doesn’t advocate intervening in, from Yugoslavia to Syria. According to Julian Pecquet, the U.S. congressional correspondent for the Turkish publication Al-Monitor, Henri-Levy claims he got French President Nicolas Sarkozy to back the Benghazi-based Libyan Transitional National Council that was quietly being funded by the General Directorate for External Security (DGSE), the French CIA.

The prople involved in the invasion of libya should be put on trial for war crimes. Off course, being the west, this is not going to happen.

Gaddafi was going to convert and ONLY trade oil for gold, and its so obvious this was the main reason they had to get rid of him.

The west goes into these countries to "liberate" the people. They leave with thousands of people dead, more terrorists. and a country in complete ruin!

People talk about russia, china, north korea, isis etc being the threat to this planet. Its not, its the west.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Of course it's the west.

It's not like these countries were hanging by a civilized thread for centuries, right?

These "countries" were fought and won over how many times?

That whole oil for good idea is kinda ridiculous, who has that much gold?

Winner, winner chicken dinner. Can't have Gods money competing with Satan's fiat. a reply to: tothetenthpower

a reply to: daaskapital

This is exactly what the US and UK had in mind for Syria.
Topple the government and turn it into chaos.

Once the US and UK removed Gaddafi, they moved certain elements of the militants into Iraq to train and prepare the jilted Iraqi militia that lay dormant from its own civil war.

Then, with Turkeys help they cleared northern Iraq and pushed across the borders into Syria and Aleppo.

Assad refused to step aside and instead fought hard.. he was a butcher, but the west forced him into it!

Russia saw Assad was starting to fall and would not tolerate another Western intervention so it stepped in, put its self in front of Assad and told the Americans to piss off!

Turkey, who was the silent partner, for these militants stepped in too...

Turkey baffles me... im still yet convinced Assad is safe..

amazing, Gaddafi's death represented the beginning of the plan!

I can tell you exactly why. The Gold Dinar Gaddafi was going to convert and ONLY trade oil for gold.

Yep.

Same with Iraq.

Your life expectancy as a dictator is directly proportional to your participation in the elite-owned world bank and use of the petro-dollar. Any attempt to do otherwise, will result in a funeral for you and likely some of your family, while your nation comes under new management. The only reason Un is still alive, is that he really doesn't have much of anything they want, and China would be mad at losing their little pet and buffer zone.

Russia saw Assad was starting to fall and would not tolerate another Western intervention so it stepped in, put its self in front of Assad and told the Americans to piss off!

Russia is in it for the pipeline deal.

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