Gaddafi was murdered three years ago. This is Libya now

a reply to: Ancient Champion

i was really there...in the North American Theater that was fought in Huntsville Alabama that summer.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Don't be scared of them. Be scared of the cabal that controls the cabal.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

answer me this...what does Control mean exactly?

you talk of bankers...do they have the ink? the plates? the paper? The Secret Service determines what is or is not valid currency and they are authorized to do so at gunpoint and the last Director quit without warning not even a month ago.

if there is a Cabal its shaky right now...working with an interim Director.

like I said...conspiracy philosophy is all about creating a race of victims who's only chance is (non)violent reaction.



its clear who people that believe in such were created by. what happens when a rational response becomes necessary?

a reply to: michaelbrux

the secret service is hardly at the top of the food chain....what i did get from your post though is that your taste of music leaves a little to be desired

a reply to: daaskapital
Ah wacky Qaddafi, he probably did more for his country bringing it from the pig sty it once was, to it being one of the best if not the best place to be in Africa, in fact he did more for Libya much more so then any current leader or president ever did for there country, he pretty much kept everybody in line from the extremists, to the globalists out to profit from the area, to even troublesome groups like the slave dealers/human traffickers, to the whole lot.

If we had a president like Qaddafi or even four of him in the good ol US we all would probably be having those flying cars like in the jetsons everybody is always calming for by now...Poor fool, he should have kept his friends close and his enemies closer. In this world no good deeds goes unpunished. I am pretty sure the Islamist will eventually take over after western interests bleed the place dry, and then it will be back to what it was before, if it is not already.

sigh, the war on terrorism, is like the war on drugs. You will never win..

I am not sure I have ever heard anyone until now in 2014, glamorize Qaddafi..

Last I checked he was a enemy of the STATE and had priors of attacks on the STATE or was found to be responsible..

The entire middle east north AFRIKA, has been in chaos since the beginning of man...

Same reason now, as it was back then...

This posturing that we care about libya, or thought their was something to gain, or actually feared Qaddafi's power mongering is funny. Last I checked the people rose up against him..

Since the beginning of man, it has been chaos in that region.. It will continue to be chaos as well.. I bet if you went back far enough in written history this has happened before as a matter a fact...

a reply to: Bicent76

What makes you think this ? Do you come to these conclusion with your own perception and rationality or just take the opinions of others ?

Freedom is only appreciated when it is earned -- no, fought for. The Libyan people were given freedom as a gift, and this is the sad outcome. I don't fault the Libyan people, I fault the gift givers.

a reply to: crazyewok

Free to suffer, free to pay and free to recognize the mighty dollar.

a reply to: michaelbrux

You are posting nonsense, you talk of cabals the entire thread, and then question if there is one?

What would lead you to believe it is shaky, and if it has EVER been, it is apparent that you have no imagination to see that something beyond a cabal runs these *shows* and they in fact love rap music too, it convinces everyone to fight the locals instead of doing anything creative.

You claim Gaddafi was a gangsta like rapper, and that everyone is playing a game, perhaps he WASN'T playing the game and that offended someone.

It is time to remove these *someones* from ever having existed, in the first place.

This ain't no game.

a reply to: michaelbrux

It’s not really about Khadaffi or Assad.

It’s about the fact that those countries were modestly secure and calm…not perfect but reasonable okay.

Now the people are under intense suffering because of meddling by foreign powers with no good intent.

It is a fact that dictatorships may lead to vast improvements in economical and social welfare. For example, take Germany.

When Hitler took over, his country was a mess. As he liked to say "the Marxists had 14 years and look at the mess they brought us - now give us four!" . And as promised, Hitler and his National Socialist government banished unemployment within four years. In 1933 there were six million unemployed - and by 1937-38 there was a national labor shortage (!). He introduced concepts like "a car for everybody" (Volkswagen). The mortgage rate was lowered, building of houses stimulated and housing for the working classes was subsidized up to 90 (!) percent, and in many cases the employer would take care of the remaining 10 percent. In 1937, more houses were built than ever since the Great War (14-18). They constructed motorways (Autobahn) throughout Germany (many are still in use today). They had excellent scientists. They had very good health care. Some in this forum even believe they had anti-gravity and time travel facilities .. but they DID build the first "mass produced" long distance rocket (V1, V2), had advanced technology, already had nationwide TV in the 1930s etc. etc.

Also, if you need any proof the population supported Hitler, simply look at the way the population treated him. Masses were cheering when Hitler paraded in his open car (not even the Pope can do that today). Every movie you have from that era that has him in it also shows cheering, waving and "sieg heiling" people.

I could go on, but I believe my point is made well enough: the simple fact that a country prospers economically, that a dictator CAN improve living standards dramatically and that the people seemingly like their dictator does not mean that the people in such countries are free.

And like Germany just after the war, Libya is a mess now. Let's hope the Libyan people realize their situation and unite again to rebuild their country. Also note that it took 40+ years for Germany to become one undivided nation again and that it took another 20 to make both parts (almost) equally wealthy. It's a slow process.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Nice comparison but unlike hitler, Gaddafi was not a Zionist puppet. The Zionist controlled hitler made him massacre the Jews so the world would feel pity and the zionists could take the reigns after they disposed of hitler.

a reply to: MGaddafi

I'm not into so-called "zionist" conspiracies, but even if I were: it's irrelevant. My point was that the video in the OP may well sum up facts - but that these facts without context don't prove Gadaffi to be the swell guy some of you think he was. The video is simply propaganda for a regime that has been overthrown. Gadaffi is dead.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

There's much that world history does not acknowledge.

originally posted by: papazen

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: papazen

And you know this how? Care to produce some evidence that this is the case. You know since there is a bunch of evidence in this thread that says you are wrong and likely have bought into the US propaganda machine known as the MSM.

You need evidence for me to prove to you that Gaddafi was a lunatic hated by his people? are you serious? Dude they stuck a stick up his arse !!!

So how do you know it was his people? You seem so sure of yourself, so produce the evidence. Passive aggressive insults won't further your case. I don't trust things that are "common knowledge", because common knowledge is a lot times wrong. So show me some evidence from sources outside the country that backup what America's media was saying about Gaddafi. If it is as you say then it shouldn't be hard.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

they aren't, who's at the top of the food chain?

who 'murdered' Qaddafi if he didn't orchestrate the whole act himself?

how many are in the cabal that secretly runs everything but still has to fight wars?

Looks like I am late for one of my favourite topics but you have all done an excellent job and I couldn't add more.

RIP Gaddafi!! You will be missed by your people and millions around the world.

a reply to: michaelbrux

The forigen armed rebels fought and killed him. The people who killed him werent even Libyan.

a reply to: daaskapital

Just a note: There were no free houses for everyone in Libya. That is not a true statement.

Source

Medical care became available to the public at no cost but providing housing for all was a task the RCC government was not able to complete

It was a promise that Gaddafi never followed through on.

However, looking at the economy and standard of living to judge a leader is plain stupid.

Hitler literally had one of the best economies the world has EVER seen and one of the highest standards of living ever with tons of free stuff...How was he?