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originally posted by: macman
Well, that is why I am who I am.
You don't mention something I am against, it never gets to be a problem. And vice versa.
While I am a Christian (I know, I bet there are many of gasps here), I don't care what others do, so long as I am not forced to their beliefs.
I don't force my beliefs on others. Guess it is too much to ask for the same courtesy.
But, like I stated before. The $3k from a gay, black, midget, transvestite Eskimo with purple hair spends the same as anyone else's.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Government to Ordained Ministers: Celebrate Same-Sex Wedding or Go to Jail
That's absurd.
If homosexuals want to be married, then they can get married without imposing themselves on a church that doesn't believe in homosexual marriage.
Churches have belief systems in place. If you don't believe what that church teaches, then you have no right to insinuate yourself into that church and demand something that goes against their religious beliefs.
A Catholic wouldn't go to a Jewish Synagogue and demand to be married there and to have Holy Communion. That would be a stupid thing to do. The Catholic can go get married in his/her own church or at the town hall or someplace else with a Justice of the Peace. Ditto homosexuals who want same sex marriage. They shouldn't want to be married in a church that they disagree with anyways.
Homosexuals in states that have marriage equality can still get married. They don't need a religious ceremony done by a church they disagree with. So no homosexual civil rights are being stepped on by churches not allowing gay marriage within their walls. However, the civil rights of those who go to the churches ARE being oppressed by whatever stupid politician is pushing for them to have to break their religious beliefs.As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: macman
Just that they need to be forced to do business with others they don't accept.
Yep. And people are forced to do business with people with a skin color they don't like.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Dfairlite
They sell weddings to the general public. They have done so for decades, with no religious test for their customers. They don't define marriage. The State does.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: macman
Well, that is why I am who I am.
You don't mention something I am against, it never gets to be a problem. And vice versa.
While I am a Christian (I know, I bet there are many of gasps here), I don't care what others do, so long as I am not forced to their beliefs.
I don't force my beliefs on others. Guess it is too much to ask for the same courtesy.
Yah, we've talked about this subject before. I respect your position. I may not totally agree with all of it, but I know you're being honest about it and stand by it which I totally respect.
But, like I stated before. The $3k from a gay, black, midget, transvestite Eskimo with purple hair spends the same as anyone else's.
Hey, I think I know that guy!!
originally posted by: TzarChasm
as pointed out earlier, the hitching post is NOT a religious establishment but a business.
The city of Coeur d’Alene has asked the Hitching Post to withdraw its religious freedom lawsuit in the wake of gay marriage becoming legal in Idaho. City attorney Michael Gridley wrote to the wedding chapel and pointed out that two weeks ago the business took steps to become a nonprofit religious corporation. Thus, the Hitching Post is exempt from the city’s ordinance that outlaws discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Gridley said the city will not prosecute legitimate nonprofit religious corporations, associations and other organizations exercising First Amendment rights. The Hitching Post sued the city in anticipation that the city would use its anti-discrimination policy to force the chapel to perform same-sex weddings over its religious objections
originally posted by: macman
a reply to: mOjOm
Well, that is why I am who I am.
You don't mention something I am against, it never gets to be a problem. And vice versa.
While I am a Christian (I know, I bet there are many of gasps here), I don't care what others do, so long as I am not forced to their beliefs.
I don't force my beliefs on others. Guess it is too much to ask for the same courtesy.
But, like I stated before. The $3k from a gay, black, midget, transvestite Eskimo with purple hair spends the same as anyone else's.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: TzarChasm
as pointed out earlier, the hitching post is NOT a religious establishment but a business.
Looks like the Hitching Post has taken steps to become a nonprofit religious corporation, so they'll be exempt from this law! It's a perfectly good solution!
The city of Coeur d’Alene has asked the Hitching Post to withdraw its religious freedom lawsuit in the wake of gay marriage becoming legal in Idaho. City attorney Michael Gridley wrote to the wedding chapel and pointed out that two weeks ago the business took steps to become a nonprofit religious corporation. Thus, the Hitching Post is exempt from the city’s ordinance that outlaws discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Gridley said the city will not prosecute legitimate nonprofit religious corporations, associations and other organizations exercising First Amendment rights. The Hitching Post sued the city in anticipation that the city would use its anti-discrimination policy to force the chapel to perform same-sex weddings over its religious objections
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Source
originally posted by: Gryphon66
What do YOU call not telling the truth then?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
I call it lying by commission or omission (and I borrowed that terminology from the Church).
originally posted by: Gryphon66
The Bible is a great source of literature and has had an incalculable effect on Western civilization.
It also supposedly forms the basis for the Christian religion, thus, the Bible comes into play when discussing that subject.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
As to the rest, I submit that you're making baseless assertions again; you have no idea whether or not I read the Bible every "damned day" to quote General Patton.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
So, er, feel free to stuff that wherever it fits.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: TzarChasm
as pointed out earlier, the hitching post is NOT a religious establishment but a business.
Looks like the Hitching Post has taken steps to become a nonprofit religious corporation, so they'll be exempt from this law! It's a perfectly good solution!
The city of Coeur d’Alene has asked the Hitching Post to withdraw its religious freedom lawsuit in the wake of gay marriage becoming legal in Idaho. City attorney Michael Gridley wrote to the wedding chapel and pointed out that two weeks ago the business took steps to become a nonprofit religious corporation. Thus, the Hitching Post is exempt from the city’s ordinance that outlaws discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Gridley said the city will not prosecute legitimate nonprofit religious corporations, associations and other organizations exercising First Amendment rights. The Hitching Post sued the city in anticipation that the city would use its anti-discrimination policy to force the chapel to perform same-sex weddings over its religious objections
PROBLEM SOLVED!
Source
if that's the case, they better stop making profit or they are not true christians. which means they go to hell as surely as any gay couple they care to sneer at.
originally posted by: macman
And so long as you don't force what you beleive in, we are good.